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casjunction wrote: 12 Apr 2020, 09:45 Casrus l concur with your bleak outlook on financial future.
I think that social unrest on an unprecedented scale could follow unless world leaders come up with a better system of wealth distribution.
But for now Happy Easter and stay safe.
Good to see someone has the same opinion as me Cas Junction.

I am a supporter of Tory and Brexit, and in saying that, I always advocated that the "Well Off Haves" should be taxed more for a short couple of years or so to soften the impact of Brexit however, under these new circumstances, I think the Rich and Well Off will most definitely have to be taxed more for maybe a longer term to help the "Poorer Not Haves" of society to get jobs and industry back to work as there is only so much the Government protecting by 80% furlough can do for a few months - This is in the interest of ALL of us otherwise we will not have a country left as I see it, so the better off will have to swallow this bullet !! Desperate Times I'm afraid !

In saying that, I also think the lazy arsed shirkers who live consistently off the pan crack should be routed out and get them working in place of the thousands of EU workers who come over to do our lesser work to help this country instead of living in the pub all day ! I would also chain gang the locked up burgulars and druggies and make them work in the fields as it hacks me off to see they are parasites on society and we have to feed them in prison with a drain on tax resources - Time for a rethink and sod the human rights people who protect the wrongdoers more than the protect the wronged and end up costing this country money we will not really be able to afford now going forward !

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Post by casjunction » 12 Apr 2020, 16:23

I am of pension age and continue to work.
My job is niw regarded as key as l work in social care.
Just for the record Jeremy Corbyn was a bit too liberal for me.

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Post by alftupper » 12 Apr 2020, 19:14

CasRus wrote: 12 Apr 2020, 15:47 In saying that, I also think the lazy arsed shirkers who live consistently off the pan crack should be routed out and get them working in place of the thousands of EU workers who come over to do our lesser work to help this country instead of living in the pub all day ! I would also chain gang the locked up burgulars and druggies and make them work in the fields as it hacks me off to see they are parasites on society and we have to feed them in prison with a drain on tax resources - Time for a rethink and sod the human rights people who protect the wrongdoers more than the protect the wronged and end up costing this country money we will not really be able to afford now going forward !
:clap: Take away their benefits if they refuse to get out into the fields.

Also I’d like to add, how good is it to see Boris discharged from hospital and on the mend.

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Post by Flat Capper » 12 Apr 2020, 23:59

Both Alfie and CasRus are assuming the minority that deliberately evade their responsibilities will simply bow down to strong arm tactics. They will simply find another route; illness, crime, and so on. Society has always had these individuals and has never been able to find a suitable solution that eradicates them all. A more subtle approach could reduce the numbers but that is it.

Spreading wealth through education and well paid jobs can reduce the numbers but scum (and yes, I regard some of these as scum) always find a way around regulation and can usually exploit it. They are on a par with those that exploit tax rules and cut regulation to make even more money.

This is why the battle with Covid and the subsequent recovery will be reliant upon the vast majority of likeminded folk that understand the need to work together. To put in the effort and share their success. From the public servant through factory floor, building site, electrical engineer to members of a company board, the fight is equal and no more worthy of a few.

It is a welcome sight that our Prime Minister is on the road to recovery but again, this was a team effort and a prime example of the way forward.

As for the EU, yes, there are arguments and discussion but this can only be expected of such a large organisation. There still remains an underlying belief in working together to succeed for the betterment of all. Something we British have perhaps never fully appreciated.
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alftupper wrote: 02 Apr 2020, 17:16 anybody think HS2 will still be going ahead?
Confirmed today that they are pressing ahead with it

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Post by CasRus » 15 Apr 2020, 21:36

Eh Up Capper ! - Following is another story release today which is starting to make my prediction of the EU collapsing even more credible, here's an extract:-

Euroscepticism never actually went away after Brexit, but European Union stalwarts have largely been holding the line, with gambits from anti-EU leaders like Italy's Matteo Salvini failing over the past year. But the COVID-19 pandemic could change that.
Countries like Italy, Spain, and Portugal have seen their debt burdens rise during the pandemic, but despite calls from Italy for Brussels to issue so-called "eurobonds" to share debt more evenly across the continent, the European Central Bank is instead relying on a massive asset-purchase program which allows all eurozone members to borrow from bond markets during the downturn. But risk varies by country.
"What matters to markets is the sense that we are not seeing solidarity at a time of crisis," Mark Dowding, the chief investment officer at BlueBay Asset Management, told the Financial Times. "Instead it's every man for himself. That is going to fuel Euroscepticism, which eventually sees fears of a breakup getting priced in."
Richard McGuire, a rates strategist at a Rabobank, concurred, telling FT the "creditworthiness of member states is back at the center of the market's radar." He added that the concern stretches across all of southern Europe. "We are moving back to a two-speed continent," he said. Read more at The Financial Times.

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Post by Flat Capper » 15 Apr 2020, 23:26

Are you suggesting the likes of Spain, Italy and Portugal would choose a breakdown of the EU to help their recovery from the massive debt they have? Who will help them once they're on their own?

All recovery from debt requires a carefully constructed plan and, to a great extent, the uderstanding of creditors. Complete breakdown doesn't satisfy either party.

We can now look from the outside and we'll certainly have our own issues with trying to recover alone in this world. Time will tell...
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Flat Capper wrote: 15 Apr 2020, 23:26 Are you suggesting the likes of Spain, Italy and Portugal would choose a breakdown of the EU to help their recovery from the massive debt they have? Who will help them once they're on their own?

All recovery from debt requires a carefully constructed plan and, to a great extent, the uderstanding of creditors. Complete breakdown doesn't satisfy either party.

We can now look from the outside and we'll certainly have our own issues with trying to recover alone in this world. Time will tell...
I'm not suggesting that these poor EU countries would choose a breakdown at all Capper !

Spain, Italy and Portugal need the EU as they haven't got a pot to P.ss in !

It's the Northern EU countries like the Netherlands for example that are looking to call time on massive bailouts of Southern EU countries which every one and his dog knows they don't have a prayer of paying back and which would bring down the whole of the EU anyway in time as the debt moves onto all EU participants and that's where the teddy is going to be thrown out of the cot which is why countries like the Netherlands are baulking at bailouts just now !

This will lead to country by country "insular" protectionism as otherwise the EU budget would be decimated by having to bail out these Southern EU countries with the budget they have which by the way would not include the UK massive UK contribution and is putting the EU under considerable strain already - it's not rocket science !

Each country can not really afford to watch billions they contribute to the EU being squandered on bailouts as each country now has debts of their own to consider with the virus.

What we are going through just now will be like a "Walk in the Park" compared to the massive debt aftermath which will follow - money may not be worth the paper it's printed on eventually and it may be a case of trading a few cabbages for a few bags of spuds just to keep alive ! I think that all world debt will either be wiped off and a brand new re-start or you may have to get your tin hat back out if law and order starts to break down ! This is not going to be pretty and the warning signs are looming with predictions of 3-4 million jobless on the cards just here in the UK !!

There's many things that can happen and the most worrying thing is China just now ! There are accusations of them underground nuclear testing recently against world agreements which is very sinister and worrying and also the backlash of this virus where countries may anyway ultimately start to isolate China from world trade which might get them kicking off even more !!

To me, it's not looking good !!!

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alftupper wrote: 15 Apr 2020, 21:17
alftupper wrote: 02 Apr 2020, 17:16 anybody think HS2 will still be going ahead?
Confirmed today that they are pressing ahead with it
I never did support it, I think its the biggest waste of money in 2009 costs were estimated at 37.5 billion now they recon 106 billion thats 307 million pounds per mile ! chuffing mental :roll:

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baldtiger wrote: 16 Apr 2020, 18:23
alftupper wrote: 15 Apr 2020, 21:17
alftupper wrote: 02 Apr 2020, 17:16 anybody think HS2 will still be going ahead?
Confirmed today that they are pressing ahead with it
I never did support it, I think its the biggest waste of money in 2009 costs were estimated at 37.5 billion now they recon 106 billion thats 307 million pounds per mile ! chuffing mental :roll:
I can see the HS2 project being the [very expensive] 'token' gesture to the North to back up BJ's promises from the election campaign. sadly, the situation has changed and IMO the gov't will need to look at alternative measures for the North that aren'y quitre as expensiveas HS2 or provide a more efficient use of the same amount of dosh though spreading the money across a greater number of 'smaller' projects.

Investment will still be required to get te economy moving again.
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Post by casjunction » 18 Apr 2020, 12:01

HS2 has been a farce from start to finish.
Oh it's not even started,
If you want a Northern powerhouse a train capable of going a few miles an hour fastef than Mallard providing commuters with "fast" travel to the capital is not the answer.
Corvid 19 has shown many functions can be carried out from home but not manufacturing.
The money would be far better invested in green technologies, manufacturing, education and health.
If it goes ahead the real winners will be the investors.
As by the time it is completed it will be even more obsolescent than it is already.
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Flat Capper wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 11:00
baldtiger wrote: 16 Apr 2020, 18:23
alftupper wrote: 15 Apr 2020, 21:17
alftupper wrote: 02 Apr 2020, 17:16 anybody think HS2 will still be going ahead?
Confirmed today that they are pressing ahead with it
I never did support it, I think its the biggest waste of money in 2009 costs were estimated at 37.5 billion now they recon 106 billion thats 307 million pounds per mile ! chuffing mental :roll:
I can see the HS2 project being the [very expensive] 'token' gesture to the North to back up BJ's promises from the election campaign. sadly, the situation has changed and IMO the gov't will need to look at alternative measures for the North that aren'y quitre as expensiveas HS2 or provide a more efficient use of the same amount of dosh though spreading the money across a greater number of 'smaller' projects.

Investment will still be required to get te economy moving again.
Oh dear, Crapper once again fails to grasp the facts and shows himself up when attempting to score a political point. Maybe he needs to be reminded that HS2 was a Labour idea and the lovechild of champagne socialist Andrew Adonis.

I can see the HS2 project being the [very expensive] 'token' gesture to the North to back up BJ's promises

How so, when every report into the benefits show that London will be the greatest winner, northerners do not view it as a benefit to them, so explain why it will be a token gesture to the North.

the situation has changed and IMO the gov't will need to look at alternative measures for the North that aren'y quitre as expensiveas HS2

keep up, it was announced this week that construction was to proceed.

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Post by CasRus » 18 Apr 2020, 14:59

casjunction wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 12:01 HS2 has been a farce from start to finish.
Oh it's not even started,
If you want a Northern powerhouse a train capable of going a few miles an hour fastef than Mallard providing commuters with "fast" travel to the capital is not the answer.
Corvid 19 has shown many functions can be carried out from home but not manufacturing.
The money would be far better invested in green technologies, manufacturing, education and health.
If it goes ahead the real winners will be the investors.
As by the time it is completed it will be even more obsolescent than it is already.
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I'm of the opinion that you are most probably now right due to the economic catastrophe about to be played out, however I just think it is more of a take on Global Issues than just considering domestically.

The overriding factor which I base my thoughts on is in just one word and that is "China" - We have been asleep for too many years to not see the fact that most of the world in importing cheaper cost goods from China has made them very powerful and the fact is that they are now holding all the aces ! There seems to be something very sinister in the fact that the virus allegedly started from Wuhan and their major cities of Bejing and Shanghai that lay close to Wuhan have not got any extreme incidence of Covid when the rest of the world's capitals thousands of miles away are under lockdown with many deaths !!! How can that be !!! Something smells VERY BAD here !!!

I always remember a very intelligent tutor at Whitwood Tech telling me over 47 years ago while I was an apprentice there that China would try to take over the world eventually and that they were keeping low key until factors were right to make that attempt ! I just now wonder if this is that attempt with biological warfare while they are and have the strongest economy in the world and have the likes of Africa supplying them raw materials when Africa are in massive debt to them and all the while that the South China Sea is being taken over by man made islands that they keep building and putting massive military installations on and are likely to be in pole position to take the likes of Japan, Phillipines and Malaysia out very quickly and then on to Oz !

We have all been had by China and Western civilisation really need to wake up to these facts and start setting up manufacturing bases to make what we need within the west rather than the reliance of importing from China and stop this madness ! The only question here is "Are we too late" ! as the famous song goes "There May Be Trouble Ahead" !!

So, in answer to domestic issues Cas Junction, in my opinion yes I think you are right and HS2 needs to and can wait till later and Manufacturing Industry needs to be prioritised with emphasis on jobs as indications are that we are about to be losing 3-4 million jobs within this coming year and which also then starts to negate reliance on China in the future - Note we will all also have to consider living more frugally from all this as "wages" v "cost of living" will not ever be the same again as we have had before this crisis.

Just one other thought on this that is a positive (however which goes against the grain of the death rate and mess we are in) - The environment/nature is getting a well earned rest which is a major plus for the planet - This was also making me wonder whether the Top Environment scientists had flagged up that we are dangerously close to a tipping point of no return with an extinction event on the horizon with all the fires and floods recently and whether this Covid has been released to slow down the growth of population and more pollution with the blessing of the "POWERS THAT BE" - It's an interesting theory and one to ponder on !

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alftupper wrote: 18 Apr 2020, 14:23
Oh dear, Crapper once again fails to grasp the facts and shows himself up when attempting to score a political point. Maybe he needs to be reminded that HS2 was a Labour idea and the lovechild of champagne socialist Andrew Adonis.

I can see the HS2 project being the [very expensive] 'token' gesture to the North to back up BJ's promises

How so, when every report into the benefits show that London will be the greatest winner, northerners do not view it as a benefit to them, so explain why it will be a token gesture to the North.

the situation has changed and IMO the gov't will need to look at alternative measures for the North that aren'y quitre as expensiveas HS2

keep up, it was announced this week that construction was to proceed.
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Oh dear, once again Alfie fails to see the nose in front of his face that he regularly falls flat on!

I assume that, like they have with so many Labour ideas and policies, the current government has the power to change the Labour actions? In which case, any decsion to continue is made by THIS Tory government and cannot be blamed on Labour, you idiot.

I do not support HS2, partly because I know it won't really benefit the North but will in fact further move people and investment to the South. However, I still believe Boris and his cronies will claim it benefits the North and will use it as their evidence of supporting the North.

I know they're continuing with it. I've given my thoughts on why I think they are doing so.

Think you need to get some help Alfie
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Guys, I've been using this topic on occasion in discussion to point out and convey a number of world catastrophe occurrences on the horizon and as to why the world is about to have a come-uppence from various directions be it melting polar caps, fires around the world, flooding, China/Pandemic and the snowball effect that will speed up processes.

Well here's a newly released press statement from the UN and which will have repercussions for the whole of humanity if this cannot be dealt with and it is looking very grave and is not a million miles away of currently happening :-

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UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The head of the U.N. food agency warned Tuesday that, as the world is dealing with the coronavirus pandemic, it is also “on the brink of a hunger pandemic” that could lead to “multiple famines of biblical proportions” within a few months if immediate action isn’t taken.
World Food Program Executive Director David Beasley told the U.N. Security Council that even before COVID-19 became an issue, he was telling world leaders that “2020 would be facing the worst humanitarian crisis since World War II.” That’s because of wars in Syria, Yemen and elsewhere, locust swarms in Africa, frequent natural disasters and economic crises including in Lebanon, Congo, Sudan and Ethiopia, he said.
Beasley said today 821 million people go to bed hungry every night all over the world, a further 135 million people are facing “crisis levels of hunger or worse,” and a new World Food Program analysis shows that as a result of COVID-19 an additional 130 million people “could be pushed to the brink of starvation by the end of 2020.”

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Sorry to keep sounding like the "Angel of Doom" but you need to be very aware of these issues as it will have a definite effect on all of us either directly or indirectly.

Stay Safe and try to be prepared ………………….if we and you can !!!!!!!!!!

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Firstly, what I'm about to say is not dismissing what you're saying, I think it's inevitable and was always going to happen with or without a pandemic. We've over-exploiteds this planet since we learned to light fires.

However, I take the view that it's not worth worrying about, we all die in the end and ultimately, the planet with be consumed by the sun one day. Nature has always controlled animal populations and we are but an animal.
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Flat Capper wrote: 22 Apr 2020, 11:07 Firstly, what I'm about to say is not dismissing what you're saying, I think it's inevitable and was always going to happen with or without a pandemic. We've over-exploiteds this planet since we learned to light fires.

However, I take the view that it's not worth worrying about, we all die in the end and ultimately, the planet with be consumed by the sun one day. Nature has always controlled animal populations and we are but an animal.
Quite Correct Capper (that's the best opinion you have actually made for a few months ….ha ha - only joking !)

There is absolutely No Point in you worrying or anyone worrying for that matter as death is an inevitability we all have to face ! - Once dead, what's gone before does not then matter at all to any of us !

Life is a very strange concept and to reason why we stay alive for a number of years only to die off makes you think what life is all about anyway when it then doesn't matter to anyone at all once we are all dead ! Sorry for sounding a bit Philosophical but it's all a bit weird of why we are all here and what purpose it actually serves in the grand scheme of things !!

It only really matters while we are indeed alive in the here and now, so stay safe, protect yourself, keep an eye on what is going on in the world and we all need to consider collectively taking the action in a combined method in providing assistance and help to our friends and neighbours in looking after each other where possible to overcome and get through what is looking like a world degradation of massive proportions ! If we don't work together to do this in helping each other when food shortages potentially start to happen, it will become a survival of the fittest and that is where law and order will start to break down !

Interesting Times we live in which will test the character of everyone ! Hopefully, if and when we get through this, as everyone already seems to know, that life and living will be very different and hopefully for the better for the younger generation ! It does make you wonder if all this is or was designer planned and needed for nature to survive as pollution levels have significantly dropped and wildlife is starting to recover - Every Silver Lining eh but a very sad and devastating outcome for bereaved family members with all the deaths ongoing by this virus !!

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Post by casjunction » 22 Apr 2020, 14:42

Some wise words!
As you have said the challenge is far greater than ever.
The answer if there is one will not be achieved without cooperation and consideration.
It's time for collective working and honesty not point scoring.
Showing appreciation of the NHS and keyworkers is commendable but tbere are still many flouting the rules ir guidelines.
Their lack of consideration far out weighs the sentiment of applause.
The discord between politicians is being to show.
They still seem to lie to score points.
The issue of the PPE from Turkey being a prime example.
When this pandemic hits the third world which lack basic hygiene and so on the impact on food production could be massive.
My vein hope is this terrible situation makes us a wiser species and we appreciate the value of ordinary people more and the so called stars of whatever arena sport, music and so on realise that we can manage better without them than the person who empties our bins or the people who harvest the crops.
Take care, be kind and lets all try to become better people as a result of this terrible situation.

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Flat Capper wrote: 22 Apr 2020, 11:07 Firstly, what I'm about to say is not dismissing what you're saying, I think it's inevitable and was always going to happen with or without a pandemic. We've over-exploiteds this planet since we learned to light fires.

However, I take the view that it's not worth worrying about, we all die in the end and ultimately, the planet with be consumed by the sun one day. Nature has always controlled animal populations and we are but an animal.
I suppose it had to happen someday but I totally agree with Crapper here. I’m completely relaxed about climate change and mass extinction. How human beings have conducted themselves during their short existence makes their potential extinction all the more appealing.
It is estimated that 99% of all species that have ever existed on Earth are extinct so no need to panic about the Giant Panda or Blue Whale being wiped out. Who knows in a million years time or so a completely new species may hold sway which can do a far better job.

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alftupper wrote: 22 Apr 2020, 16:08
Flat Capper wrote: 22 Apr 2020, 11:07 Firstly, what I'm about to say is not dismissing what you're saying, I think it's inevitable and was always going to happen with or without a pandemic. We've over-exploiteds this planet since we learned to light fires.

However, I take the view that it's not worth worrying about, we all die in the end and ultimately, the planet with be consumed by the sun one day. Nature has always controlled animal populations and we are but an animal.
I suppose it had to happen someday but I totally agree with Crapper here. I’m completely relaxed about climate change and mass extinction. How human beings have conducted themselves during their short existence makes their potential extinction all the more appealing.
It is estimated that 99% of all species that have ever existed on Earth are extinct so no need to panic about the Giant Panda or Blue Whale being wiped out. Who knows in a million years time or so a completely new species may hold sway which can do a far better job.
Careful Alf, agreeing with Capper ! Don't be seduced by the Dark Side ! ...………….Ha Ha !!

Yes the world is definitely at a crossroads and this can go either way !

This will be the acid test as to whether we as a species can organize ourselves out of this with common sense "work together" application or finish up battering each other to death ! It will also prove as to whether we are intelligent enough to continue or, ultimately never learn and finish up destroying ourselves which would go to show that we aren't an intelligent life form at all that is worthy of survival !

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