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Post by alftupper » 12 Jan 2022, 21:20

Well, what do we all think? Every leader has a sell by date and maybe Boris is nearing his. Let us be grateful and acknowledge his many successes; preventing a Corbyn led Marxist government, getting Brexit done, record employment, a world leading Covid 19 vaccination program etc etc

For me the first priority of the Conservative Party is preventing Socialist government and with this in mind I think the time is near for a change at the top of the Party to ensure the huge House of Commons majority is not lost at the next General Election.

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Post by WF10 » 13 Jan 2022, 17:52

There isn't an opposition party even close to being considered 'Socialist'.
As well you know.
removed post it again and you will join them on a 48 hour ban read the AUP

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Post by CasAttack » 15 Jan 2022, 13:43

Can't see Johnson lasting much longer. If he does I think the tories will lose the next election. Whoever takes over if he does go will have a huge job in wining back the trust of the the public. Sunak? Truss? Hunt? Not a fan of any of them really. I wouldnt really call Starmers Labour socialist either. Think they are going down the Blair route of being middle ground. It'll be an interesting few months to come anyway.

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Post by Fumper27 » 15 Jan 2022, 18:58

All those calling for him to resign need to take a close look at themselves. I’d wager that 99.9% of them broke Covid lockdown rules at some point over the last two years.

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Post by old cas lass » 16 Jan 2022, 01:13

Fumper27 wrote: 15 Jan 2022, 18:58 All those calling for him to resign need to take a close look at themselves. I’d wager that 99.9% of them broke Covid lockdown rules at some point over the last two years.
Dint see you as a Tory fumper :o :P

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Post by Fumper27 » 16 Jan 2022, 08:44

old cas lass wrote: 16 Jan 2022, 01:13
Fumper27 wrote: 15 Jan 2022, 18:58 All those calling for him to resign need to take a close look at themselves. I’d wager that 99.9% of them broke Covid lockdown rules at some point over the last two years.
Dint see you as a Tory fumper :o :P
Not into politics OCL…just fed up of those “holier than thou” types, who’ve probably got new skeletons in their closets than the rest of us.

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Post by CasRus » 16 Jan 2022, 22:04

Let me say that I supported the Tories all along (sorry if that rankles a few Red voters !) and was looking forward to BoJo and his team getting us through Brexit into a much stronger position , however the huge cost of the Pandemic has stymied that effort considerably.

Choose what you think of the Tory effort to navigate around Covid , no party has had the privilege to have been cast into that awful position of recent times and whether you shut down or open up to balance the country going bankrupt has been the hardest decision for anyone to make - let's hope we can now escape this pandemic grip in the coming months.

In saying all that, the schoolboy errors and deceitful lies Bojo tried to cover up with on those blatant mistakes and treat the British Public as fools and that he expects us to accept his "brass neck" lacklustre apology, which was only in all fairness offered by him in being caught out yet again, does not and will not cut the mustard !

The mistakes and lies he has made are unforgivingly grim for anyone to accept in my book and he should do the decent thing by falling on his sword !!!! The total disregard for morality from Bojo and his No10 mob has been utterly disgusting and there needs to be a clearout of that No10 team also as, let's face it, they were all in party mode together while people died !!

As a Tory supporter I have been totally shocked and let down (as I assume the Northern Red Wall that gave him their support) as he should have lead by example to the rules he/they made ! I hope they are made an example of for any future power base thinking of trying to ride roughshod over the common people they represent !

Let's hope they are removed and a new Tory leader and team of ethical and moral standards are put into their places to deal with present day problems (note - as an aside, watch out for more problems coming with Russia and China now sabre rattling loud and clear on Ukraine and Taiwan issues that could potentially affect the whole world !).

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Post by alftupper » 17 Jan 2022, 20:37

Good to hear your take on it CasRus. For me he’s got to go and I think he will, not sure if he’ll jump or be pushed. For me his handling of the Owen Paterson affair was as bad as it gets.

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Post by CasRus » 18 Jan 2022, 11:09

alftupper wrote: 17 Jan 2022, 20:37 Good to hear your take on it CasRus. For me he’s got to go and I think he will, not sure if he’ll jump or be pushed. For me his handling of the Owen Paterson affair was as bad as it gets.
Hi Alf, yes he has now shown to be a serial liar over this past year and his childish actions to cover up and half hearted apologies remind me of a kid with his hand in the cookie jar !! It just shows what is is about (not grown up and adult enough to hold his hands up admit to his failures) and leaving a child in charge of the country is, I'm afraid, too rosky to contemplate when bigger decisions are about to be made. HE NEEDS REMOVING !!!

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Post by FIat Capper » 18 Jan 2022, 15:11

Whilst I accept your honest views on BJ, the fact he he has not suddenly become a serial liar, he's built his political career around it coupled with his only other ability, bullying.

Like most bullies, this works for a while and he achieves his aims but ultimately, they all lose the support that has kept them afloat.

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Post by CasRus » 18 Jan 2022, 17:19

FIat Capper wrote: 18 Jan 2022, 15:11 Whilst I accept your honest views on BJ, the fact he he has not suddenly become a serial liar, he's built his political career around it coupled with his only other ability, bullying.

Like most bullies, this works for a while and he achieves his aims but ultimately, they all lose the support that has kept them afloat.
Just watching today's interview with Boris was pretty much like watching the Prince Andrew interview ! He squirmed his way through and, by the way, stated he accepted full responsibility for those parties, so that means in my book he is at fault ! The other aspect within the interview was that when asked if he thought Cummings was lying, he kept changing the subject and would not answer that particular question as he knows Cummings would swear under oath and that he has witnesses !

If he decides to clear out the No10 staff in trying to save his own skin, there then becomes a situation where these very No10 staff members might start singing also !!!

I'm afraid he is on a hiding to nothing and hasn't a leg to stand on here and I tend to think after watching his body language and averting eye contact with interviewee Beth Rigby for most of the time that he is more or less coming to the conclusion he has no option but to and must resign !

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Post by baldtiger » 19 Jan 2022, 13:16

I much say Boris has a long history of telling lies as long ago as 1980 sacked by the Times newspaper 2004 sacked by his own Tory party both due to his persistent lies !
I think that's in part why people voted for him jack the lad :?
Am I wanting him to resign ? In all honesty am not bothered either way, it will still be the same kind of policies . Dismantle the NHS sell off any British assets , make the rich even richer . The next PM maybe will be smarter in hiding the true facts :oops:

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Post by alftupper » 19 Jan 2022, 18:46

Looks to me he’s going to have to be pushed, he would have jumped by now surely

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Post by CasRus » 19 Jan 2022, 19:56

alftupper wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 18:46 Looks to me he’s going to have to be pushed, he would have jumped by now surely
I can't believe how much of a Brass neck he has and looks like he has no morals whatsoever which is kind of disturbing given he is in charge of the country and acting like a dictator in refusing to go after the total upset he has caused to law abiding citizens who have lost loved ones and all the while he and his mob were quaffing vast quantities and doing the conga around the garden at no 10 !!

I for one would have thought he had gotten out of fibbing his way through life when he took on the responsibility of PM but all the lying and cover ups in respect of Cummings, the Paterson episode, forgetting to declare payments on his flat and now all this sh.. show of the no10 knees ups they have been having has the smack of outright audacity and treating us all all like fools !! He has P.ss.d on All our Bonfires and really feel sorry for the many Labour voters who switched and brought down the Northern Red Wall in belief of him.

If the Tory party don't revolt and get rid soon, I can see that this may trigger revolts around the country !

It's not rocket science to govern properly and set high moral standards which he has failed to do - I stand for Decency and not with Lying Toads which he has now proven to be !

And That's from a Tory Supporter for You All to digest !!

Truss or Sunak would do a decent job

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Post by alftupper » 20 Jan 2022, 08:37

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of BJ and Co. the defection of the Bury South mp to Labour does not sit well with me. His constituents voted for Conservative policies and it should be up to them to decide at a bi-election not him

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Post by CasRus » 20 Jan 2022, 10:55

alftupper wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 08:37 Regardless of the rights and wrongs of BJ and Co. the defection of the Bury South mp to Labour does not sit well with me. His constituents voted for Conservative policies and it should be up to them to decide at a bi-election not him
Agree on that one

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Post by FIat Capper » 20 Jan 2022, 13:39

CasRus wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 10:55
alftupper wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 08:37 Regardless of the rights and wrongs of BJ and Co. the defection of the Bury South mp to Labour does not sit well with me. His constituents voted for Conservative policies and it should be up to them to decide at a bi-election not him
Agree on that one
Sadly, under our constitution you vote for a person who, in theory, will put forward the policies they believe in. In most cases, these are the policies of the party they represent or independent altogether.

All parties have gained from this system so you can't complain when you lose one. I'm sure Mr Wakeford will argue that he still believes in the policies he stood for but the Tories have moved away from them. Perhaps this is eveidenced in the claim this morning that some 'revel' MP's have been threatened with the loss of investment in their constituencies if they fail to support Bumbling Boris.

If true, levelling up seems a distant memory but I go back to my first post in this thread, BB is just a liar and a bully.

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Post by CasRus » 20 Jan 2022, 14:00

FIat Capper wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 13:39
CasRus wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 10:55
alftupper wrote: 20 Jan 2022, 08:37 Regardless of the rights and wrongs of BJ and Co. the defection of the Bury South mp to Labour does not sit well with me. His constituents voted for Conservative policies and it should be up to them to decide at a bi-election not him
Agree on that one
Sadly, under our constitution you vote for a person who, in theory, will put forward the policies they believe in. In most cases, these are the policies of the party they represent or independent altogether.

All parties have gained from this system so you can't complain when you lose one. I'm sure Mr Wakeford will argue that he still believes in the policies he stood for but the Tories have moved away from them. Perhaps this is eveidenced in the claim this morning that some 'revel' MP's have been threatened with the loss of investment in their constituencies if they fail to support Bumbling Boris.

If true, levelling up seems a distant memory but I go back to my first post in this thread, BB is just a liar and a bully.
Just seeing that his PS was warned by email (which will be documented evidence) by a senior MP to stop the party and which he allegedly said he would check with the PM but it all then went ahead anyway !! If Sue Gray confirms this in her report , he surely will be toast !! If he stays in his post protected by his cabinet after that, I'm afraid we will now be seeing a different kind of dictatorship where you can get away with anything and not be accountable and see Bojo giving his middle finger to all of us !!! IT and HE Needs Sorting !!

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Post by alftupper » 30 Jan 2022, 09:29

baldtiger wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 13:16 Dismantle the NHS sell off any British assets
Often gets overlooked but the Conservatives have been safe custodians of the NHS for 47 of its 74 years. I myself do not worship the NHS like a lot of people, it is a vast money pit, a black hole that will demand more money however much is thrown at it, it certainly needs a major shake up.

As for selling off this countries assets, anybody remember Gordo Brown flogging off our gold reserves at $300/oz, it is now around $2,000 / oz... #thereisnomoremoneyleft

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Post by baldtiger » 31 Jan 2022, 12:01

alftupper wrote: 30 Jan 2022, 09:29
baldtiger wrote: 19 Jan 2022, 13:16 Dismantle the NHS sell off any British assets
Often gets overlooked but the Conservatives have been safe custodians of the NHS for 47 of its 74 years. I myself do not worship the NHS like a lot of people, it is a vast money pit, a black hole that will demand more money however much is thrown at it, it certainly needs a major shake up.

As for selling off this countries assets, anybody remember Gordo Brown flogging off our gold reserves at $300/oz, it is now around $2,000 / oz... #thereisnomoremoneyleft
Safe custodians ? 39800 nurse vacancies . That's just nurses NHS vacancies in total are 90000 plus ! No wander its struggling . Management costs have gone from 5% to 15% and the NHS are now paying private health care millions to try to reduce the waiting lists , more knee and hip replacements are done private and payed for by the NHS no wonder its a money pit . We are paying much more for medication , tablets ect since Brexit we need to be making our own but the Tories will never allow that . Same as Gas, Electric, we need to buy them back in to government control it would now cost billions but its estimated it would be payed back in 3 years . LOL Rant over for today , have a good one :D

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