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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by CasRus » 12 Feb 2021, 20:19

Capper, you really have stirred up a hornet's nest here !!

This is not anything to do with Racism, it's pure and simple logic to risk assess and lessen the dangers by keeping a very tight reign on who comes in and unfortunately that means in my book that we should not be allowing any illegal immigrant into this country and lessen the chances of another Manchester Arena and London atrocities - Sorry if that sounds inhumane but I don't want to be seeing another atrocity with body parts being picked up belonging to innocent young teenagers like what happened in Manchester - I just don't know what you are even thinking to put all our lives at risk in the way you are thinking ! - Wake up and pour yourself a Gin and Tonic instead of Water !!!

Another thing, your Labour Mayor "Red Khan" is wanting to rename streets in London which have been historically there for centuries - Now you tell me what the hell is going on with this country as it certainly seems that we are being taken over by stealth !!! We have allowed Mosques to be built here to accommodate the Muslim community in playing by Queensbury Rules however I'd like to see you try to get a Church built in Saudi Arabia !! Muslim groups supported by Isis in Mozambique and Southern Phillipines are killing innocent Christian people in the name of Allah !!And you are calling your own people Racist !!! Give me a Break !!

It's Pure and Simple - We should be trying to protect ourselves as much as possible in an overcrowded world as the proverbial doo doo is about to hit the fan in the next few years and having us compromised will no doubt in my mind see carnage on our streets !!

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Post by Tigers1926 » 13 Feb 2021, 00:08

CasRus, I couldn't have put it better myself. As I've said previously I'm a truck driver who witnesses first hand who are trying to get to this country, and let me tell you that you wouldn't want these as your neighbour's. This country does have compassion, but a line has to be drawn before it's too late. The reason why they want to come here has to be stopped. I don't think our grandparents and great grandparents fought for how our country is heading, and I fear for our children and our children's children. It seems that your either ok with what is going on, or your a racist for being concerned. I knew it was coming, and boom, FC couldn't help himself. So, let's have a rate go outside of the gang and make it work for us and future generations.

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Post by alftupper » 13 Feb 2021, 10:08

How many of these ‘refugees’ who land on the south coast shingle have made the trip direct from their homeland? It would be a feat to rival the 3,500 miles covered by our very own Captain Bligh! I would also suggest a physical impossibility from land locked Syria. The minute these people set foot in Italy, Greece etc they cease to be refugees and any further migration across Europe’s hinterland is purely motivated by reaching what they perceive to be the land of milk and honey... the UK

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Post by Tigers1926 » 13 Feb 2021, 11:39

Spot on alftupper..

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Post by CasRus » 13 Feb 2021, 15:51

Yes thanks Alf and Tigers1926 !

I think Capper is getting a right royal stuffing on his opinions as he is putting weaker responses by the day !

On Capper's "Always an EU Remainer" standpoint concerning Brexit, here are a few of today's headlines reported that should make him wince and not from the Daily Mail may I add which he keeps referring to as a Brexiteering rag !! :-

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EU warned: Italian PM's new leadership will 'facilitate fight to leave' Brussels bloc

'Shot yourself in the foot!' EU warned Brexit 'games' will do catastrophic damage to bloc
Dan Falvey, Political Correspondent 6 hrs ago

Ursula von der Leyen told to immediately resign after Brussels' power grab sparks outrage

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As that famous songline goes - "There May Be Trouble Ahead" and that's coming to an EU near You !!

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Post by Tigers1926 » 13 Feb 2021, 17:48

The remoaners still won't accept that we've left the biggest corrupt closed shop in the world. Then to throw in the racist card which is actually the joker without actually knowing the person they are throwing it at, just shows how desperate they become. It seems we've got to accept immigration no matter what is coming in to the country or we are racist. Anyway let's crack on with getting back to putting the Great back in to Britain, and thanks for your support 🇬🇧

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Post by FIat Capper » 15 Feb 2021, 16:20

Have you all finished crying yet?

Am I right in thinking you believe we should close our borders to everyone then, allow no one in just in case.

Whilst I cannot imagine the pain and suffering caused by the attempts to attack our free and open culture here in the UK, the unwanted death toll is no more or less significant than the deaths of those attempt to secure freedom in the first place.

The answer is not to close our borders but to stop the need to leave their countries. that way, we all benefit.

Your scaremongering is not helping one bit and is only fueling hatred. It's that tactic that has just cost Trump hos Presidency.

By the racist tag was aimed at the comments from Alfie Babe with his use and context of the term "non-English". However, you all seem quite keen on allowing those from CANZ to come here unhindered. I wonder why?

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Post by CasRus » 15 Feb 2021, 17:59

FIat Capper wrote: 15 Feb 2021, 16:20 Have you all finished crying yet?

Am I right in thinking you believe we should close our borders to everyone then, allow no one in just in case.

Whilst I cannot imagine the pain and suffering caused by the attempts to attack our free and open culture here in the UK, the unwanted death toll is no more or less significant than the deaths of those attempt to secure freedom in the first place.

The answer is not to close our borders but to stop the need to leave their countries. that way, we all benefit.

Your scaremongering is not helping one bit and is only fueling hatred. It's that tactic that has just cost Trump hos Presidency.

By the racist tag was aimed at the comments from Alfie Babe with his use and context of the term "non-English". However, you all seem quite keen on allowing those from CANZ to come here unhindered. I wonder why?
God Capper, you are hard work at times and mis-construe quite a number of times !!

I ain't saying the border should be closed to legally entitled and "properly applied for" citizenship in entering the UK for families who can prove they are in a perilous persecuted position which should be based on a fixed number per year as to what we can only accept without getting totally bogged down) and any person who can contribute with skill sets that benefit the country (points based system similar to Oz).

Also as you have stated, You tell me how you expect the UK to stop the need to leave other countries !!!.... IMPOSSIBLE and there is no plausibility to this at all without going back in again which only leads to more fragmentation like what happened in Iraq and Libya !! You should have already sussed that out !!!!

On your comparison to CANZ, this is a 2 way street to allow people who have skill sets to offer each other's country, set up bi lateral business links, have immigration/emigration potential for all in these countries to progress and excel populations in a constructive manner and where each country have settled rule of law and are considered safe especially with people moving who have law abiding principles - This is where we and the whole world benefits in progress and where trust and safety can exist !!!!

On Your outlook on this is to allow people arriving from lands who do not have law abiding principles, have armed groups controlling swathes of their homeland training terrorists and who are ready to infiltrate us in accepting illegals arriving over the channel and which risks and threatens our way of life !! I just hope you haven't got any daughter risk being blasted into broken bits ready to be put inside a body bag like they did in Manchester Arena !!!

You would have us going back pretty sharp to never ever exterminating a world that keeps repeating the same old same old past historical fights of old !! It's simple, these Middle Eastern and African countries have not got the intelligence to move forward and still end up destroying each others culture which is even more existent today and you want to risk importing these problems into the UK ?? I don't think So !! We have been playing by Queensbury Rules long enough and all they do is spit it back in our face.... time to move on and let them sort their own issues out and that's not to say we should not try to help innocent persecuted people where possible either !!

I hope that has now sunk in Capper, as none of us are racist but there comes a time when enough is enough and we need to work with countries that are morally intelligent and have similar principles - those badland countries are far behind and hopefully one day catch up and get rid of their "infidel, I kill you" ways and be proper human beings.

Both Tiger1926 having seen what these illegals are at the border and elsewhere on his travels and I (having worked extensively in both the Middle East and Africa) do have some semblance of shared experiences to derive our points of view from and it is sometimes good to listen to people who have based their experiences and their knowledge to share with others !!! Tiger 1926 has opened up your and our eyes as to what is sat awaiting in France to illegally infiltrate us and I for one would want these undesirables sent back immediately if they ever landed here !

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Post by FIat Capper » 15 Feb 2021, 18:32

You still make the mistake of taring everyone from certain countries with the same brush but don't accept it when I use those misguided principals across all.

Do you remember the IRA mass bombings on British soil? This problem was resolved at source and we currently live in a safer place because of it.

And as I have said numerous times before, many of the fundamentalists in Briton are born and bred here from a lineage of well respected immigrants from the 50/60's. Should we just send them all back, wherever that may be for those born over here.

You say you support the principal of providing safe haven for those that desperately need it but how can you assess the needs if you simply load them up and send them back? You have to let them land first and then assess them. The failure to correctly do this is our failure and is not an excuse to act inhumanly. The difficulty is with those that aren't found, the true criminal gang led trips that can easily slip into society. Again, based on your principals, the only solution would be to load them all up and send them back.

Myanmar's newly reinstated dictator will no doubt be showing us the self-destruct killing routine but even Putin's Russia has a way of encouraging emigration through tactics we in the 'West' take a dim view of.

The human race is evil. It kills with little regard for itself or other living things. Hiding away and running from it, burying your head will not solve this and ultimately, you'll be found unless you address it. Rather than fueling the hatred, make the world a better place for all.

That's what I want for my children, that's what I want my legacy to be.

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Post by Tigers1926 » 15 Feb 2021, 20:02

FC I get what you are saying with you wanting what is best for your children, as I do my own. The trouble with us the UK is we are too tolerant. We have sent millions of pounds to help the French in Calais and other ports and we've even sent our immigration officers to France to help, but our immigration officers openly tell us that the French don't really want to cooperate and willingly and laughingly send the most horrible of immigrants to Britain via the ports even though the British officials tell em no. Us truck drivers stand together while waiting for ferries and often get immigrants out of trailers who threaten us with knives and infidel calls. I reckon along with my fellow drivers that at least 95% are young men and not families. You do not want these in your town or city. They are coming for benefits and easy life and are cowards for not staying in their own countries and want to spread Islam as much as they can. I fear for my own kids and their kids, but if this keeps happening, it will be too late. Families with a couple of kids, yes if the parents have a skill we can use as a country. Young men who have no intention to work, no you are not welcome..

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Post by CasRus » 15 Feb 2021, 21:25

FIat Capper wrote: 15 Feb 2021, 18:32 You still make the mistake of taring everyone from certain countries with the same brush but don't accept it when I use those misguided principals across all.

Do you remember the IRA mass bombings on British soil? This problem was resolved at source and we currently live in a safer place because of it.

And as I have said numerous times before, many of the fundamentalists in Briton are born and bred here from a lineage of well respected immigrants from the 50/60's. Should we just send them all back, wherever that may be for those born over here.

You say you support the principal of providing safe haven for those that desperately need it but how can you assess the needs if you simply load them up and send them back? You have to let them land first and then assess them. The failure to correctly do this is our failure and is not an excuse to act inhumanly. The difficulty is with those that aren't found, the true criminal gang led trips that can easily slip into society. Again, based on your principals, the only solution would be to load them all up and send them back.

Myanmar's newly reinstated dictator will no doubt be showing us the self-destruct killing routine but even Putin's Russia has a way of encouraging emigration through tactics we in the 'West' take a dim view of.

The human race is evil. It kills with little regard for itself or other living things. Hiding away and running from it, burying your head will not solve this and ultimately, you'll be found unless you address it. Rather than fueling the hatred, make the world a better place for all.

That's what I want for my children, that's what I want my legacy to be.
Capper, pull your head out from somewhere dark as we all want what's best but it is unachievable in trying to make a better place for all - your ex Labour Leader PM "Brainwashed by Bush" Blair (tried and look what happened ! He murdered thousands of innocents in bombings of Bagdad, removed the dictator and what was the result of that .......... Isis of Course !!! What was contained by a Dictator became a worldwide problem taken into other countries like ourselves with the recorded atrocities !! Lessons need to be learned from History ! Like I said, demonstrate that like minded law abiding countries working together can set a blueprint for other regions to follow once they have finished killing each other and the lightbulb finally does flash on in their primitive brains !

Yes we sorted the Irish problem, but that is part of GB and was "our problem" to solve (just like any other country solving their own problems) and not in faraway lands that we definitely have no control over, so sorry, that point has fallen on deaf ears and of no relevance to our discussion on this bigger picture.

We have to be very selective in who we bring in for the sake of our nation and, like Tiger1926 says, we cannot afford for these young guys coming in with no intent to work and cream off our tax paying money and then turn to a life of crime in drugs/prostitution rackets and also have the trained Isis individuals also intent on blowing up a few stadiums etc !!! Yes we do have a home grown problem but for God's sake, we don't need to be adding to this sh.tpile !!

Yes I can tar everyone who wants to come into the UK until the reasons why they do are established - they have to go through legitimate application as is set up and intended to get in and not be sat on a beach coming in illegally, that's the point and another point is, they have already reached sanctuary by stepping into the first EU country who should take care of them so why should we accept them illegally and why is your "loving the EU" country France turning a blind eye and allowing it !!!

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Post by FIat Capper » 16 Feb 2021, 12:43

France has a vast number of immigrants successfully integrating within their borders. Yes. some, far too many, feel the need to move on very often do this illegally because they feel they have no other choice. They will continue to do this whether we are in the EU or not. (This thread is on the success of Brexit)

Indeed, being outside of the EU makes if even less likely that we'll be able to load up boats and planes and send them back. We've made it easier for France to say, there yours now, not The EU's problem.

You actually seem to agree that we need a better system where we can house them once they arrive and I have no problem with a detention center type establishment where we can fully assess them and deal with what we find. This will not answer the problem of deporting them back though. Consequently, you would have to completely close the borders and shoot anyone attempting to enter, just in case. A bit of a Berlin wall scenario and that didn't last.

I still believe we have to be brave and lead the world on change; be it immigration, environment or investment. You yourself claims there's a whole world of opportunity out there and I believe we should look at the developing world and invest. Lets lift them out of poverty and remove the need to to emigrate.

This should be done sympathetically and not with an iron fist a la Blair and co. Convincing dictators that they themselves would be better of if they accepted a freer society. It's not easy but this shouldn't make us turn away like cowards.

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FIat Capper wrote: 16 Feb 2021, 12:43 France has a vast number of immigrants successfully integrating within their borders. Yes. some, far too many, feel the need to move on very often do this illegally because they feel they have no other choice. They will continue to do this whether we are in the EU or not. (This thread is on the success of Brexit)

Indeed, being outside of the EU makes if even less likely that we'll be able to load up boats and planes and send them back. We've made it easier for France to say, there yours now, not The EU's problem.

You actually seem to agree that we need a better system where we can house them once they arrive and I have no problem with a detention center type establishment where we can fully assess them and deal with what we find. This will not answer the problem of deporting them back though. Consequently, you would have to completely close the borders and shoot anyone attempting to enter, just in case. A bit of a Berlin wall scenario and that didn't last.

I still believe we have to be brave and lead the world on change; be it immigration, environment or investment. You yourself claims there's a whole world of opportunity out there and I believe we should look at the developing world and invest. Lets lift them out of poverty and remove the need to to emigrate.

This should be done sympathetically and not with an iron fist a la Blair and co. Convincing dictators that they themselves would be better of if they accepted a freer society. It's not easy but this shouldn't make us turn away like cowards.
France has a a vast number of immigrants as you have pointed out, but I can put a bet on with you that not as successful as you make out , hence the need for a vast majority of them wanting to move out and come here !!

It doesn't need to be a Berlin Wall either as you mention, all it needs is to usher these illegal boats back into French waters and block any progress. Once they get cold and hungry they would have to turn back to their point of departure - yes it's cruel but at least it sets the precedent and would result in far less or no attempts to illegally enter the UK once they see that we are not playing ball - There is a system is there for a legal application - they should use it !! What's the point of setting up laws only for us to accept illegality ??

Here's something to consider - Would you allow a Russian plane to land in London in allegedly fleeing Russia purporting to have illegal immigrants escaping Russian Regime and not knowing what's on the plane (as a cover) which could either be a nuclear bomb or nerve agents as Russia does not have any scruples as to what has already been demonstrated on UK soil ??? How do you know that illegal immigrants coming in from France aren't carrying a covid variant which could put all our hard lockdown work down the pan !!!! These are all questions to be considered and I take the view that in a very dangerous and uncertain world, the need to consider risk assessment (and drastically limit risk) for our own protection is paramount - we've been there and done our Queensbury rules over and over again and where has that got us in Manchester Arena/ London machete attacks/Lee Rigby decapitation ?? Time to pull the drawbridge up I say !!

On your point out of investing in third world countries, it's all been done before Capper, I can't remember which African Country but we sent millions for investing into village projects to make healthier living and the President / Regime decided to spend that money on Luxury Jets and Mansions for their own use. I've worked in Nigeria and the corruption is staggering to even get things done as I can 100% tell you !! All that Band Aid money of over £50 Million - let me tell you a story on that - Sacks of Rice stamped up with "Band Aid" were finishing up in Nigeria on open markets as i was witness to - What was happening is that these Bags of Rice were landing in East Africa, given to African Transport Trucking Companies to transport into their countryside to feed the starving, however all they did was to go to the border and sell these on and where they were finishing up typically in Nigeria - Now just on that one aspect, of that £50 Million raised, how much % do you think actually got to where it should have - makes you think !!! They are 100 years behind us and would take too long and much resource to ever change their ways so it's best to concentrate on little old UK and what's best for us !!

I know you mean well Capper, I get that, but you are not facing up to reality - time to remove your head out of that dark space between you butt cheeks and replace it with a Rocket !!.....ha ha !! you know I'm only messing with you and bet you love me really !!

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Post by alftupper » 16 Feb 2021, 13:49

FIat Capper wrote: 16 Feb 2021, 12:43 France has a vast number of immigrants successfully integrating within their borders.
:lol: good old Capper, always good for a laugh.
Meanwhile in other news, Marine Le Pen of the rebranded NF is a front runner for the French Presidency.

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alftupper wrote: 16 Feb 2021, 13:49
FIat Capper wrote: 16 Feb 2021, 12:43 France has a vast number of immigrants successfully integrating within their borders.
:lol: good old Capper, always good for a laugh.
Meanwhile in other news, Marine Le Pen of the rebranded NF is a front runner for the French Presidency.
Here's another story that broke yesterday that adds to the Brexit Positives and the Re-moaners giving their heads another 5 minutes in the Gas Oven !!:-

Brexit victory: Truss hails ‘new chapter’ for Global Britain as £23bn trade deal secured
BREXIT offers Britain a golden opportunity to forge an enduring, mutually beneficial partnership with India, International Trade Secretary Liz Truss has said.

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Post by FIat Capper » 16 Feb 2021, 14:56

So we ignore humanity and bury our heads.

Anyway, back to the thread and the question none of you have answered - how does this work following Brexit?

We have a duty under several international laws and agreements, including the basics of maritime tradition, to rescue those lost at sea. This has a worldwide benefit for all and I dread to think of the consequences of other nations doing the same to any British registered vessel that finds itself in trouble.

And Alfie, by investment I do not mean charity. I mean business investment with the capitalist intention of reaping reward. China is making millions out of African countries and so should we. By investing we develop the country and improve living standards. we certainly don't seem too worried about investing our arms deals in these places but for me the Green economy strikes me as a very viable way forward.

As for the comments about Russians, this appears to support my view that based on your argument, the only answer is to stop everyone coming, just in case. To my knowledge we've had 3 incidents of Russian spies coming and poisoning folk on British soil so why not ban all Russians from coming?

For those intent on terrorism, there's no easy answer. Simply saying sorry Jonny Foreigner, your names not down, your not coming in will only lead to further anger and resentment amongst those already here. You won't stop the acts but simply transfer the perpetrators to existing British citizens. Strengthening our security and intelligence services is the only solution.

Hatred only breeds hate. You've said that yourselves in the arguments about the likes of Libya and Iraq.

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FIat Capper wrote: 16 Feb 2021, 14:56 So we ignore humanity and bury our heads.

Anyway, back to the thread and the question none of you have answered - how does this work following Brexit?

We have a duty under several international laws and agreements, including the basics of maritime tradition, to rescue those lost at sea. This has a worldwide benefit for all and I dread to think of the consequences of other nations doing the same to any British registered vessel that finds itself in trouble.

And Alfie, by investment I do not mean charity. I mean business investment with the capitalist intention of reaping reward. China is making millions out of African countries and so should we. By investing we develop the country and improve living standards. we certainly don't seem too worried about investing our arms deals in these places but for me the Green economy strikes me as a very viable way forward.

As for the comments about Russians, this appears to support my view that based on your argument, the only answer is to stop everyone coming, just in case. To my knowledge we've had 3 incidents of Russian spies coming and poisoning folk on British soil so why not ban all Russians from coming?

For those intent on terrorism, there's no easy answer. Simply saying sorry Jonny Foreigner, your names not down, your not coming in will only lead to further anger and resentment amongst those already here. You won't stop the acts but simply transfer the perpetrators to existing British citizens. Strengthening our security and intelligence services is the only solution.

Hatred only breeds hate. You've said that yourselves in the arguments about the likes of Libya and Iraq.
Dear oh Dear Capper, your reference to why not ban all Russians coming in and every other undesirable coming !!! Legal Entry is what I am talking about and not illegal entries !! Russians and whoever coming in Legally should be allowed, as to what is also fully reciprocated, however methods to detect illegal substances like Novichok needs to be looked at and much closer monitoring from nations like Russia that are intent on harming us - Therefore your comment about banning all Russians etc totally misses the point I have made !! Did you not pick up on my "Legal Application should be made" comment and not sat on a French Beach awaiting to illegally enter ?? We have Legal Process and Laws - are we supposed to turn a blind eye, forget our laws and applications and let all and asunder in with the heavy risk involved ??? I don't think so !!!!! Tough Titty for those here who vent anger and frustration as you have mentioned - Laws and Rules are there for the security of all - it's then up to us to root out those internal threats !!

Yes I agree with you on Green Technology projects into third world countries and forming business partnerships and which the money for projects needs to be carefully monitored as that's a fundamental for the Brexit UK that has presented to us - China by the way have succeeded into Africa by "heavily" bribing their way in providing further Luxury Jets and Mansions etc for those corrupt African Leaders - not to say that this hasn't been going on all along with other countries (including ourselves) in the past on a lesser scale but it just doesn't make it right does it !!

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Post by FIat Capper » 16 Feb 2021, 16:57

I think it's you and your cohorts that are missing the point.

Every one of us appears to want better control of those coming but, other than saying shoo, none of you have addressed the question of what to do with those that try to get here by any means they find. This is usually some illegal route but this fact doesn't negate their desire to come.

You lot all highlight the potential for these individuals to cause us harm but I point out that, that is a possibility from anyone that enters our borders. To simply choose to get rid of those stuck at sea, chained to the underside of a 44 footer or worse still, trapped in an air tight trailer, seems illogical when you're ignoring all the other potential risks. It is also inhumane.

None of you have you answered how Brexit will present the possibility of us ignoring our world-wide international obligations to rescue those in need and support those claiming asylum? These issues will continue for us even though we are now on our own in Europe.

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FIat Capper wrote: 16 Feb 2021, 16:57 I think it's you and your cohorts that are missing the point.

Every one of us appears to want better control of those coming but, other than saying shoo, none of you have addressed the question of what to do with those that try to get here by any means they find. This is usually some illegal route but this fact doesn't negate their desire to come.

You lot all highlight the potential for these individuals to cause us harm but I point out that, that is a possibility from anyone that enters our borders. To simply choose to get rid of those stuck at sea, chained to the underside of a 44 footer or worse still, trapped in an air tight trailer, seems illogical when you're ignoring all the other potential risks. It is also inhumane.

None of you have you answered how Brexit will present the possibility of us ignoring our world-wide international obligations to rescue those in need and support those claiming asylum? These issues will continue for us even though we are now on our own in Europe.
Capper, it's you that is missing the point completely !!

If you shoo or toe them back into French Waters and block them out in coming and make it much more difficult, then apart from the safety risk that they have personally chosen to get over here(not ours) , this might deter a swathe of them even trying !!After all, isn't it best to do that to remove the incentive for them to initially consider coming and which then narrows the numbers down who are at risk of drowning in their attempts and also have an and further "immediate deportation back to their homeland" law as a further incentive removal in them having come in illegally and not by legal application. Surely there is sense in that which would stop drownings and suffocations in air tight trailers by removing the incentive to try at all !!!! That to me is the most common sense way for all and .... by just removing incentive, SAVES LIVES by them not even trying !! Like you have already said, nobody wants lives lost and this is the most productive way of achieving that goal ! Up in the brain for thinking, down at the feet for dancing !!!

The other point which Tiger1926 has already stated is that 95% of these coming at the border are young blokes looking to come to cash in on our hand me out systems and is definitely not about asylum and persecution !!! or, how about this for an idea - ankle tag all these young immigrant blokes that make it over and put them into the fields picking cabbages etc for a 5 year term and house/feed them on site in cabins before they even get to claim asylum - sorts a few issues out doesn't it in providing the cheap import labour market that is required on a much cheaper basis and as to what the lard arse pancrackers won't do !!!

By the Way, Present laws and once stronger Laws are set up, it is not inhumane at all, as they are the ones illegally rolling the dice and would know the risk consequences - it's not upon us if they choose to still risk their own lives illegally !!

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by FIat Capper » 16 Feb 2021, 18:53

Nope, you've not answered the question about international laws and agreements that also favour us. Once we encounter them at sea we are obliged to rescue them. Changing this requires a little more than domestic laws and will not help our desire to work with the wider world. How do we change our part in these international agreements without losing the co-operation of other nations?

The claim for asylum is not limited to those in desperate need of protection, it is used by those you refer to. Those looking for this gravy train we apparently provide. Many others that land unhindered simply slip into the underworld of society, undetected. Many will still attempt this passage in spite of the risk of gunships mowing them down. They've travelled across many war torn countries to get to the channel, they've already put their lives at risk, they are not deterred by the threat of being sent back or even death.

The much aligned gravy train for immigrants is like the tax system for the wealthy. There's always those that exploit it to the detriment of the majority.

Of the few, far fewer than the claimed 95% you state, that you want to put to work in cabbage fields, many are likely to respond negatively to being Forced into labour camps and this will once again fuel hatred not reduce it. We, and they are not animals.

Lets not forget there are many women and children making the crossing and all are human beings. Let's not forget that.

Once again, how will Brexit improve the situation?

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