BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by CasRus » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:25 pm

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Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:32 pm
You still make the mistake of taring everyone from certain countries with the same brush but don't accept it when I use those misguided principals across all.

Do you remember the IRA mass bombings on British soil? This problem was resolved at source and we currently live in a safer place because of it.

And as I have said numerous times before, many of the fundamentalists in Briton are born and bred here from a lineage of well respected immigrants from the 50/60's. Should we just send them all back, wherever that may be for those born over here.

You say you support the principal of providing safe haven for those that desperately need it but how can you assess the needs if you simply load them up and send them back? You have to let them land first and then assess them. The failure to correctly do this is our failure and is not an excuse to act inhumanly. The difficulty is with those that aren't found, the true criminal gang led trips that can easily slip into society. Again, based on your principals, the only solution would be to load them all up and send them back.

Myanmar's newly reinstated dictator will no doubt be showing us the self-destruct killing routine but even Putin's Russia has a way of encouraging emigration through tactics we in the 'West' take a dim view of.

The human race is evil. It kills with little regard for itself or other living things. Hiding away and running from it, burying your head will not solve this and ultimately, you'll be found unless you address it. Rather than fueling the hatred, make the world a better place for all.

That's what I want for my children, that's what I want my legacy to be.
Capper, pull your head out from somewhere dark as we all want what's best but it is unachievable in trying to make a better place for all - your ex Labour Leader PM "Brainwashed by Bush" Blair (tried and look what happened ! He murdered thousands of innocents in bombings of Bagdad, removed the dictator and what was the result of that .......... Isis of Course !!! What was contained by a Dictator became a worldwide problem taken into other countries like ourselves with the recorded atrocities !! Lessons need to be learned from History ! Like I said, demonstrate that like minded law abiding countries working together can set a blueprint for other regions to follow once they have finished killing each other and the lightbulb finally does flash on in their primitive brains !

Yes we sorted the Irish problem, but that is part of GB and was "our problem" to solve (just like any other country solving their own problems) and not in faraway lands that we definitely have no control over, so sorry, that point has fallen on deaf ears and of no relevance to our discussion on this bigger picture.

We have to be very selective in who we bring in for the sake of our nation and, like Tiger1926 says, we cannot afford for these young guys coming in with no intent to work and cream off our tax paying money and then turn to a life of crime in drugs/prostitution rackets and also have the trained Isis individuals also intent on blowing up a few stadiums etc !!! Yes we do have a home grown problem but for God's sake, we don't need to be adding to this sh.tpile !!

Yes I can tar everyone who wants to come into the UK until the reasons why they do are established - they have to go through legitimate application as is set up and intended to get in and not be sat on a beach coming in illegally, that's the point and another point is, they have already reached sanctuary by stepping into the first EU country who should take care of them so why should we accept them illegally and why is your "loving the EU" country France turning a blind eye and allowing it !!!

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by FIat Capper » Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:43 pm

France has a vast number of immigrants successfully integrating within their borders. Yes. some, far too many, feel the need to move on very often do this illegally because they feel they have no other choice. They will continue to do this whether we are in the EU or not. (This thread is on the success of Brexit)

Indeed, being outside of the EU makes if even less likely that we'll be able to load up boats and planes and send them back. We've made it easier for France to say, there yours now, not The EU's problem.

You actually seem to agree that we need a better system where we can house them once they arrive and I have no problem with a detention center type establishment where we can fully assess them and deal with what we find. This will not answer the problem of deporting them back though. Consequently, you would have to completely close the borders and shoot anyone attempting to enter, just in case. A bit of a Berlin wall scenario and that didn't last.

I still believe we have to be brave and lead the world on change; be it immigration, environment or investment. You yourself claims there's a whole world of opportunity out there and I believe we should look at the developing world and invest. Lets lift them out of poverty and remove the need to to emigrate.

This should be done sympathetically and not with an iron fist a la Blair and co. Convincing dictators that they themselves would be better of if they accepted a freer society. It's not easy but this shouldn't make us turn away like cowards.

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by CasRus » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:46 pm

FIat Capper wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:43 pm
France has a vast number of immigrants successfully integrating within their borders. Yes. some, far too many, feel the need to move on very often do this illegally because they feel they have no other choice. They will continue to do this whether we are in the EU or not. (This thread is on the success of Brexit)

Indeed, being outside of the EU makes if even less likely that we'll be able to load up boats and planes and send them back. We've made it easier for France to say, there yours now, not The EU's problem.

You actually seem to agree that we need a better system where we can house them once they arrive and I have no problem with a detention center type establishment where we can fully assess them and deal with what we find. This will not answer the problem of deporting them back though. Consequently, you would have to completely close the borders and shoot anyone attempting to enter, just in case. A bit of a Berlin wall scenario and that didn't last.

I still believe we have to be brave and lead the world on change; be it immigration, environment or investment. You yourself claims there's a whole world of opportunity out there and I believe we should look at the developing world and invest. Lets lift them out of poverty and remove the need to to emigrate.

This should be done sympathetically and not with an iron fist a la Blair and co. Convincing dictators that they themselves would be better of if they accepted a freer society. It's not easy but this shouldn't make us turn away like cowards.
France has a a vast number of immigrants as you have pointed out, but I can put a bet on with you that not as successful as you make out , hence the need for a vast majority of them wanting to move out and come here !!

It doesn't need to be a Berlin Wall either as you mention, all it needs is to usher these illegal boats back into French waters and block any progress. Once they get cold and hungry they would have to turn back to their point of departure - yes it's cruel but at least it sets the precedent and would result in far less or no attempts to illegally enter the UK once they see that we are not playing ball - There is a system is there for a legal application - they should use it !! What's the point of setting up laws only for us to accept illegality ??

Here's something to consider - Would you allow a Russian plane to land in London in allegedly fleeing Russia purporting to have illegal immigrants escaping Russian Regime and not knowing what's on the plane (as a cover) which could either be a nuclear bomb or nerve agents as Russia does not have any scruples as to what has already been demonstrated on UK soil ??? How do you know that illegal immigrants coming in from France aren't carrying a covid variant which could put all our hard lockdown work down the pan !!!! These are all questions to be considered and I take the view that in a very dangerous and uncertain world, the need to consider risk assessment (and drastically limit risk) for our own protection is paramount - we've been there and done our Queensbury rules over and over again and where has that got us in Manchester Arena/ London machete attacks/Lee Rigby decapitation ?? Time to pull the drawbridge up I say !!

On your point out of investing in third world countries, it's all been done before Capper, I can't remember which African Country but we sent millions for investing into village projects to make healthier living and the President / Regime decided to spend that money on Luxury Jets and Mansions for their own use. I've worked in Nigeria and the corruption is staggering to even get things done as I can 100% tell you !! All that Band Aid money of over £50 Million - let me tell you a story on that - Sacks of Rice stamped up with "Band Aid" were finishing up in Nigeria on open markets as i was witness to - What was happening is that these Bags of Rice were landing in East Africa, given to African Transport Trucking Companies to transport into their countryside to feed the starving, however all they did was to go to the border and sell these on and where they were finishing up typically in Nigeria - Now just on that one aspect, of that £50 Million raised, how much % do you think actually got to where it should have - makes you think !!! They are 100 years behind us and would take too long and much resource to ever change their ways so it's best to concentrate on little old UK and what's best for us !!

I know you mean well Capper, I get that, but you are not facing up to reality - time to remove your head out of that dark space between you butt cheeks and replace it with a Rocket !!.....ha ha !! you know I'm only messing with you and bet you love me really !!

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by alftupper » Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:49 pm

FIat Capper wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:43 pm
France has a vast number of immigrants successfully integrating within their borders.
:lol: good old Capper, always good for a laugh.
Meanwhile in other news, Marine Le Pen of the rebranded NF is a front runner for the French Presidency.

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by CasRus » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:35 pm

alftupper wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:49 pm
FIat Capper wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:43 pm
France has a vast number of immigrants successfully integrating within their borders.
:lol: good old Capper, always good for a laugh.
Meanwhile in other news, Marine Le Pen of the rebranded NF is a front runner for the French Presidency.
Here's another story that broke yesterday that adds to the Brexit Positives and the Re-moaners giving their heads another 5 minutes in the Gas Oven !!:-

Brexit victory: Truss hails ‘new chapter’ for Global Britain as £23bn trade deal secured
BREXIT offers Britain a golden opportunity to forge an enduring, mutually beneficial partnership with India, International Trade Secretary Liz Truss has said.

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by FIat Capper » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:56 pm

So we ignore humanity and bury our heads.

Anyway, back to the thread and the question none of you have answered - how does this work following Brexit?

We have a duty under several international laws and agreements, including the basics of maritime tradition, to rescue those lost at sea. This has a worldwide benefit for all and I dread to think of the consequences of other nations doing the same to any British registered vessel that finds itself in trouble.

And Alfie, by investment I do not mean charity. I mean business investment with the capitalist intention of reaping reward. China is making millions out of African countries and so should we. By investing we develop the country and improve living standards. we certainly don't seem too worried about investing our arms deals in these places but for me the Green economy strikes me as a very viable way forward.

As for the comments about Russians, this appears to support my view that based on your argument, the only answer is to stop everyone coming, just in case. To my knowledge we've had 3 incidents of Russian spies coming and poisoning folk on British soil so why not ban all Russians from coming?

For those intent on terrorism, there's no easy answer. Simply saying sorry Jonny Foreigner, your names not down, your not coming in will only lead to further anger and resentment amongst those already here. You won't stop the acts but simply transfer the perpetrators to existing British citizens. Strengthening our security and intelligence services is the only solution.

Hatred only breeds hate. You've said that yourselves in the arguments about the likes of Libya and Iraq.

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by CasRus » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:17 pm

FIat Capper wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:56 pm
So we ignore humanity and bury our heads.

Anyway, back to the thread and the question none of you have answered - how does this work following Brexit?

We have a duty under several international laws and agreements, including the basics of maritime tradition, to rescue those lost at sea. This has a worldwide benefit for all and I dread to think of the consequences of other nations doing the same to any British registered vessel that finds itself in trouble.

And Alfie, by investment I do not mean charity. I mean business investment with the capitalist intention of reaping reward. China is making millions out of African countries and so should we. By investing we develop the country and improve living standards. we certainly don't seem too worried about investing our arms deals in these places but for me the Green economy strikes me as a very viable way forward.

As for the comments about Russians, this appears to support my view that based on your argument, the only answer is to stop everyone coming, just in case. To my knowledge we've had 3 incidents of Russian spies coming and poisoning folk on British soil so why not ban all Russians from coming?

For those intent on terrorism, there's no easy answer. Simply saying sorry Jonny Foreigner, your names not down, your not coming in will only lead to further anger and resentment amongst those already here. You won't stop the acts but simply transfer the perpetrators to existing British citizens. Strengthening our security and intelligence services is the only solution.

Hatred only breeds hate. You've said that yourselves in the arguments about the likes of Libya and Iraq.
Dear oh Dear Capper, your reference to why not ban all Russians coming in and every other undesirable coming !!! Legal Entry is what I am talking about and not illegal entries !! Russians and whoever coming in Legally should be allowed, as to what is also fully reciprocated, however methods to detect illegal substances like Novichok needs to be looked at and much closer monitoring from nations like Russia that are intent on harming us - Therefore your comment about banning all Russians etc totally misses the point I have made !! Did you not pick up on my "Legal Application should be made" comment and not sat on a French Beach awaiting to illegally enter ?? We have Legal Process and Laws - are we supposed to turn a blind eye, forget our laws and applications and let all and asunder in with the heavy risk involved ??? I don't think so !!!!! Tough Titty for those here who vent anger and frustration as you have mentioned - Laws and Rules are there for the security of all - it's then up to us to root out those internal threats !!

Yes I agree with you on Green Technology projects into third world countries and forming business partnerships and which the money for projects needs to be carefully monitored as that's a fundamental for the Brexit UK that has presented to us - China by the way have succeeded into Africa by "heavily" bribing their way in providing further Luxury Jets and Mansions etc for those corrupt African Leaders - not to say that this hasn't been going on all along with other countries (including ourselves) in the past on a lesser scale but it just doesn't make it right does it !!

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by FIat Capper » Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:57 pm

I think it's you and your cohorts that are missing the point.

Every one of us appears to want better control of those coming but, other than saying shoo, none of you have addressed the question of what to do with those that try to get here by any means they find. This is usually some illegal route but this fact doesn't negate their desire to come.

You lot all highlight the potential for these individuals to cause us harm but I point out that, that is a possibility from anyone that enters our borders. To simply choose to get rid of those stuck at sea, chained to the underside of a 44 footer or worse still, trapped in an air tight trailer, seems illogical when you're ignoring all the other potential risks. It is also inhumane.

None of you have you answered how Brexit will present the possibility of us ignoring our world-wide international obligations to rescue those in need and support those claiming asylum? These issues will continue for us even though we are now on our own in Europe.

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by CasRus » Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:20 pm

FIat Capper wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:57 pm
I think it's you and your cohorts that are missing the point.

Every one of us appears to want better control of those coming but, other than saying shoo, none of you have addressed the question of what to do with those that try to get here by any means they find. This is usually some illegal route but this fact doesn't negate their desire to come.

You lot all highlight the potential for these individuals to cause us harm but I point out that, that is a possibility from anyone that enters our borders. To simply choose to get rid of those stuck at sea, chained to the underside of a 44 footer or worse still, trapped in an air tight trailer, seems illogical when you're ignoring all the other potential risks. It is also inhumane.

None of you have you answered how Brexit will present the possibility of us ignoring our world-wide international obligations to rescue those in need and support those claiming asylum? These issues will continue for us even though we are now on our own in Europe.
Capper, it's you that is missing the point completely !!

If you shoo or toe them back into French Waters and block them out in coming and make it much more difficult, then apart from the safety risk that they have personally chosen to get over here(not ours) , this might deter a swathe of them even trying !!After all, isn't it best to do that to remove the incentive for them to initially consider coming and which then narrows the numbers down who are at risk of drowning in their attempts and also have an and further "immediate deportation back to their homeland" law as a further incentive removal in them having come in illegally and not by legal application. Surely there is sense in that which would stop drownings and suffocations in air tight trailers by removing the incentive to try at all !!!! That to me is the most common sense way for all and .... by just removing incentive, SAVES LIVES by them not even trying !! Like you have already said, nobody wants lives lost and this is the most productive way of achieving that goal ! Up in the brain for thinking, down at the feet for dancing !!!

The other point which Tiger1926 has already stated is that 95% of these coming at the border are young blokes looking to come to cash in on our hand me out systems and is definitely not about asylum and persecution !!! or, how about this for an idea - ankle tag all these young immigrant blokes that make it over and put them into the fields picking cabbages etc for a 5 year term and house/feed them on site in cabins before they even get to claim asylum - sorts a few issues out doesn't it in providing the cheap import labour market that is required on a much cheaper basis and as to what the lard arse pancrackers won't do !!!

By the Way, Present laws and once stronger Laws are set up, it is not inhumane at all, as they are the ones illegally rolling the dice and would know the risk consequences - it's not upon us if they choose to still risk their own lives illegally !!

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Post by FIat Capper » Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:53 pm

Nope, you've not answered the question about international laws and agreements that also favour us. Once we encounter them at sea we are obliged to rescue them. Changing this requires a little more than domestic laws and will not help our desire to work with the wider world. How do we change our part in these international agreements without losing the co-operation of other nations?

The claim for asylum is not limited to those in desperate need of protection, it is used by those you refer to. Those looking for this gravy train we apparently provide. Many others that land unhindered simply slip into the underworld of society, undetected. Many will still attempt this passage in spite of the risk of gunships mowing them down. They've travelled across many war torn countries to get to the channel, they've already put their lives at risk, they are not deterred by the threat of being sent back or even death.

The much aligned gravy train for immigrants is like the tax system for the wealthy. There's always those that exploit it to the detriment of the majority.

Of the few, far fewer than the claimed 95% you state, that you want to put to work in cabbage fields, many are likely to respond negatively to being Forced into labour camps and this will once again fuel hatred not reduce it. We, and they are not animals.

Lets not forget there are many women and children making the crossing and all are human beings. Let's not forget that.

Once again, how will Brexit improve the situation?

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Post by CasRus » Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:14 pm

FIat Capper wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:53 pm
Nope, you've not answered the question about international laws and agreements that also favour us. Once we encounter them at sea we are obliged to rescue them. Changing this requires a little more than domestic laws and will not help our desire to work with the wider world. How do we change our part in these international agreements without losing the co-operation of other nations?

The claim for asylum is not limited to those in desperate need of protection, it is used by those you refer to. Those looking for this gravy train we apparently provide. Many others that land unhindered simply slip into the underworld of society, undetected. Many will still attempt this passage in spite of the risk of gunships mowing them down. They've travelled across many war torn countries to get to the channel, they've already put their lives at risk, they are not deterred by the threat of being sent back or even death.

The much aligned gravy train for immigrants is like the tax system for the wealthy. There's always those that exploit it to the detriment of the majority.

Of the few, far fewer than the claimed 95% you state, that you want to put to work in cabbage fields, many are likely to respond negatively to being Forced into labour camps and this will once again fuel hatred not reduce it. We, and they are not animals.

Lets not forget there are many women and children making the crossing and all are human beings. Let's not forget that.

Once again, how will Brexit improve the situation?
Yes we rescue them, immediate isolation and deportation is then administered, simple !!

Discussing the other option I tabled in an ideal covid free UK, If these young illegals make it in and after quarantine, give them an option, immediate deportation or 5 years labour just to qualify to stay in and at least qualify and offset for qualifying to our benefit system. If they don't like staying to work their way in, tough, they get deported. Why are we, the taxpayer, who contribute have these illegals walking straight in with Hotel 4* digs, fed and clothed and then pick up benefits !!! We have ex servicemen a plenty living out on the streets with mental issues and no help and they don't even get that special offer to stay in 4* hotels and be fed and watered like these illegals are enjoying - It's totally wrong !!
I don' t know whether you have seen the documentary when a team went in to a high class hotel and knocked on room doors and found scores of illegals housed in there - Lots of people can't even afford that standard to stay in a hotel never mind these illegals - TOTALLY WRONG !!

On your point of try try again, I don't think they will ever try again after being deported as just trying to pay the gangs in France to get them in would have drained their life savings and to try yet again even if they save back up or have enough for a second try would be foolish knowing they may get the same result !!

These women as you say with children know the extreme risk they take in trying to cross, it's their choice.

From our perspective, we also know that they could be importing a serious covid mutant and also have Isis amongst them - WE, THE UK PEOPLE ARE HUMANS ALSO and we need to protect ourselves - God help us if they bring a strain in and our vaccines are in-effective !! Are you willing to gamble on destroying our patience over these months in lockdown and ultimately, destroy our country and economy ??? I wouldn't if I was in charge !!! THE RISK IS TOO ENORMOUS !! WE NEED TO GET REAL !! Even Germany reported today is now looking to completely close it's borders to Czechoslovakia, Austria and a couple more countries - that should tell you a very big story !!

Your question, "how will Brexit improve the situation" - do I really need to explain this as Brexit has already had us with a massive boost on vaccination , and if we had stayed in the EU, we would be looking to stay in Lockdown till end of next year by the look of it and ultimately having no economy or industry left !! The EU are now sh.t scared of the UK excelling while they bicker amongst themselves and are throwing a load of dirty tricks at us (haven't you noticed !) and a clamour of EU countries are ready to exit as you may have seen this week !! Brexit will allow us the space to decide what is best instead of a "feathering of nest" Brussels which EU counrtres are now waking up to as a complete detriment to themselves !! Le Penn in France will defo make Frexit happen next year (Macron is a dead man walking !), Holland, Italy, Sweden will follow and the EU will be in tatters and history !! That's my prediction !!

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Post by FIat Capper » Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:18 pm

No, you've not answered the question, how will Brexit allow us to remove our international obligations, bring in laws that alienate us from others across the world? These obligations mean we simply cannot deport them without first meeting the agreed criteria. You may have seen local news reports of a Portuguese man facing deportation because it's been deemed he has no case to stay. We do deport them when required.

In you're response you've just changed the subject matter and gone on, and on, and on again about your opinions on why Brexit is better for us overall. No mention of my question.

The life of luxury is not the norm but we have become reliant upon housing them where we can because we do not have an adequate number of detention places. I agree that they should be assessed thoroughly and treated in line with the international obligations. The deportation issue would only encourage more criminal activity. they will come again but try even harder to avoid detection. This would increase the poor living conditions, slave labour for criminal gangs and so on. Human trafficking would simply increase.

Tying the humane treatment of immigrants into how we treat vets is just more scaremongering. What should happen is the wealthy taxpayer should pay more to help provide better support for ALL our vulnerable citizens. Adequate taxation is something we've always been able to decide upon, inside or outside of the EU.

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Post by CasRus » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:55 pm

Capper, International Obligations are used and abused by many a country including ones that are deemed civilised (i.e. Look at Australia with the boat people coming over and shooing them off) ! We are free to make our own rules and laws now so making it really difficult to enter and adopting strict deportation if they try. And by the way, we don't have enough housing for the people we have in let alone the thousands who are trying to get in.

Anyway, enough of that topic, here's one story that really made me laugh this morning in respect of that Smug Faced Labour Dinosaur "Thornberry":-

Stop whinging! Emily Thornberry shamed for attacking Brexit trade 'heroine' Liz Truss
Steven Brown 1 hour ago

Opposition parties wrote to Ms Truss to accuse her of refusing to answer questions about post-Brexit trade with Europe on key issues such as a ban on the EU of UK shellfish exports. Ms Truss, however, has been defended by angry Express.co.uk commenters, who praised her for securing billions of pounds worth of Brexit deals.

Readers urged the opposition signatories, including Emily Thornberry, to leave Ms Truss alone so she could continue her work.

One reader commented: "Of course, the UK hating Thornberry is clucking like a hen being chased by a butcher with an axe.

"Truss has done more for our country than Thornberry and her pals will ever do.

"Thornberry is on record for decrying both our flag and decent workers.

"Please do not let these tripe, second rate politicians do us down."

Another said: "Let Liz get on with her job. Securing trade deals around the world."

Someone else said: "We have a Government minister who is actually doing her job unlike some of her male colleagues.

"She is winning trade deals for this country which will bear fruit in time and yet we have the same old bitter Remainers who are still trying to undermine Brexit.

"Very much sour grapes."

A fourth reader said: "Dame Liz Truss is far too intelligent to be drawn into a poisonous trap concocted by that fake socialist blob of lard, frustrated and embittered by her and her ridiculous splinter group's total lack of traction with the British public.

"Liz is busy bringing in the bacon for British free trade, and is doing a fantastic job DESPITE the evil traitors in our midst, who would rather see Britain fail than admit their lie and Project Fear were wrong.

"The ballot box does not lie Thornberry, you have been totally rejected by the British people, so just try to show some class and be quiet, leave international trade to the elected experts."

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by baldtiger » Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:47 pm

Personally I would wait to see what these trade deals are going to cost us . I cant help feeling we are in a weak position as our manufacturing has almost disappeared . Now we are on our own its a dog eat dog in the wider world , you just have to look at America slavering at the thought of buying in to our NHS . Demanding that all meat products don't have a country of origin so we wont know at we are eating meat that contains growth hormones ect ( banned in Europe ). I wouldn't trust them an inch ! Also yes we are out of Europe but since the Tories sold almost every asset we ever owned . We are controlled from the owners of our Electric, Gas, Fuel, Medicines, Google, Amazon, Cars . etc. Most of which don't even pay there share of taxes .. I hope we can pull out of the mess but I feel no uk government is going to invest in the infrastructure that is now required I hope am wrong !!
PS. I think you will find we could decide what laws to have before we ever left Europe . .

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by FIat Capper » Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:31 pm

baldtiger wrote:
Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:47 pm
Personally I would wait to see what these trade deals are going to cost us . I cant help feeling we are in a weak position as our manufacturing has almost disappeared . Now we are on our own its a dog eat dog in the wider world , you just have to look at America slavering at the thought of buying in to our NHS . Demanding that all meat products don't have a country of origin so we wont know at we are eating meat that contains growth hormones ect ( banned in Europe ). I wouldn't trust them an inch ! Also yes we are out of Europe but since the Tories sold almost every asset we ever owned . We are controlled from the owners of our Electric, Gas, Fuel, Medicines, Google, Amazon, Cars . etc. Most of which don't even pay there share of taxes .. I hope we can pull out of the mess but I feel no uk government is going to invest in the infrastructure that is now required I hope am wrong !!
PS. I think you will find we could decide what laws to have before we ever left Europe . .
Not another remoaner!

Seriously though, these are the question the Brexitiers don't want to answer and, as highlighted by the post about Liz Truss, it's the same with questions about trade with Europe.

There are genuine problems being encountered by many business, particularly SME's, trying to trade with our closest market. All the gov't and it's supports can say is forget the bad news, we've got a deal with India that will see billions of pounds of cheap, low standard imports flood into our country.

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