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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:57 am

alftupper wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:52 am
I must say I’m more than happy with how BJ has handled himself so far in this covid-19 pandemic. True statesmanship and leadership.
That statement clearly shows you're just a wind up mecrchant who doesn't actually pay any attention to politics.

He's been absolutely useless with no leadership at all, the 'briefing' the other day with the Chancellor the prime example; he had to rely on the new guy to deal with the burning questions everyone is asking.

The lack of support for workers, the limited support for businesses, the self-employed hung out to dry but best of all, telling everyone not to go to the pub but reluctant to force them to close and support their loss of income. I can also add the failue to step in and help supermarkets control supplies or even force them to provide selctive opening times for the vulnerable and the key workers.

when you leave it to the the people their self interest will always overide the needs of all.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:35 pm

Flat Capper wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:57 am
alftupper wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:52 am
I must say I’m more than happy with how BJ has handled himself so far in this covid-19 pandemic. True statesmanship and leadership.
That statement clearly shows you're just a wind up mecrchant who doesn't actually pay any attention to politics.

He's been absolutely useless with no leadership at all, the 'briefing' the other day with the Chancellor the prime example; he had to rely on the new guy to deal with the burning questions everyone is asking.

The lack of support for workers, the limited support for businesses, the self-employed hung out to dry but best of all, telling everyone not to go to the pub but reluctant to force them to close and support their loss of income. I can also add the failue to step in and help supermarkets control supplies or even force them to provide selctive opening times for the vulnerable and the key workers.

when you leave it to the the people their self interest will always overide the needs of all.
FlatCapper, are you 3 weeks behind in news releases ???

I think they are chucking the Kitchen Sink at fixing both Health and Economic issues that going to be costing Billions and pledging a "Whatever it Takes" stance to fix this virus outbreak based on the last few days of news releases from the Chancellor and the Health Secretary !! BJ doesn't have to be the only spokesperson and quite rightly does rely and lets his ministers speak in their area of responsibility.

Your accusation within your "lack of support" paragraph is totally and utterly wrong ! Maybe you are still smarting after the election defeat which is what I can only imagine why you are stating misguided information !

You still seem to be stuck on Planet Mars along with Jezza and McDonnell who both still seem to think they are going to be leading the labour (with a small "l") party and the election was all a bad dream !! Maybe you are under the same illusion !

We are all in this together so stop whinging and whining and get with it like most people are trying to do !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:56 pm

Listen to the parts you want to but you cannot ignore the fact businesses, health professionals, teachers, transport companies and many more are saying thanks for your current offers but we need more, much more.

Why is the Gov't not forcing pubs and clubs to close (and financially supporting them)? It may hav ebeen announced since I left for work this morning?

As for the man himself, yes, he needs and should be using his ministers to deliver whatever measures they put forward but the clue is in the word Leader. His main function is to lead, to coordinate his troops, to be the spokesperson and most important of all, to stand there in front of us and lead us. He just isn't doing that, just like he was absent during the floods.

If you're inpsired by this man then you're easily pleased.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:27 pm

FlatCapper, what in hell's name would have helped anything on the Floods with BJ being there ??? Do you think he is King Canute or something !!!

What he probably was doing is co-ordinating his team behind the scenes to put action plans into place rather than wasting precious time consoling all the people in Flood Areas which would have been an absolute waste of time that he can ill afford with all what is going on and humongous amounts to do on a range of issues. I suppose you think he should have a brush up his arse also to sweep up while he moves along !!

You are definitely not up to speed on news being announced as they are guaranteeing all sorts of pay for the masses and to try to save a massive recession which, quite honestly,

I don't think the world including the UK will be able to ! Dark Times ahead I'm afraid so buckle up for the worst ride of your life and a totally changed world if we even get that far !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:09 pm

when people are in despair, they want to see their leader, not only addressing them and treating them as individuals but also witnessing there actions. Again, the reaction times of this government were poor and the leader in hiding. As for him being King kanute, he's the one claiming he can turn the tide in 12 weeks!

As I said, I've not seen any new announcements today but the packages I have seen announced do not appear to be as extensive as you would have us believe.

And why oh why has the gov't not got a plan to deal with the panic buying?
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:57 pm

Flat Capper wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:09 pm
when people are in despair, they want to see their leader, not only addressing them and treating them as individuals but also witnessing there actions. Again, the reaction times of this government were poor and the leader in hiding. As for him being King kanute, he's the one claiming he can turn the tide in 12 weeks!

As I said, I've not seen any new announcements today but the packages I have seen announced do not appear to be as extensive as you would have us believe.

And why oh why has the gov't not got a plan to deal with the panic buying?
Your Point 1

What a Load of Hogwash !! We are grown ups who don't need our hands holding like kids with BJ giving it "there,there don't cry" but do expect our Leaders to be beavering away with the precious time they have to try to fix things rather than having 2-3 days going around flooded areas listening to all the despair that doesn't fix diddly squat !

Your Point 2

Wrong again FlatCapper - he DID NOT say he can turn the tide, what he did say is that "WE CAN ONLY" turn the tide providing that WE all follow the guideline protocol and observe other stringents they will soon follow up with ! You are again trying to pin BJ on a blatant untruth !!

This may fail anyway as we have enough knobheads around this Cas Forum think they know better and still thinking it's nowt to worry about and will continue with there lives as normal instead of observing protocol laid out, so a 12 week period is ultimately doomed to failure and this will go on for months on end !

The only way is to lock down NOW and get the army / police to lay down martial law (like China and South Korea who have seen infection rates now tailing off) otherwise this could even go on for 1-2 years, that's if they don't come up with a vaccine till next year !

Your Point 3

On Panic Buying, do you expect the government to be a solver of all issues down to this issue when there are more pressing and more important decisions to be made ? Arse and Sweeping Brush comes back into mind again !! Supermarket Bosses etc should hold the responsibility to solve this in a professional manner with store security and rational quotas of product per person (even this wouldn't stop some selfish greedy arsed people going from store to store or going in and out of the store again and again).

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:37 pm

People like Capper make me sick, the PM is making daily statements and taking the necessary action advised by the experts, the Chancellor is providing £billions in support to business and employees yet he still does nothing but criticise. Probably still bitter that the Labour Party that he was a cheerleader for got walloped in the election.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:39 pm

alftupper wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:37 pm
People like Capper make me sick, the PM is making daily statements and taking the necessary action advised by the experts, the Chancellor is providing £billions in support to business and employees yet he still does nothing but criticise. Probably still bitter that the Labour Party that he was a cheerleader for got walloped in the election.
Yes quite right Alf.

FlatCapper is way off base and keeps looking to try to pin BJ to every minor detail which argumentatively, on FlatCapper's part, is so weak, it's almost laughable and is just making himself look like a very sore loser regarding labour getting totally hammered in the election !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by baldtiger » Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:41 am

I think you 2 are maybe windup merchants lol . But the election is well in the past now the country voted end of !
Personally I feel time was very much wasted at the start when nothing was done for 3 weeks BJ was happy for all to get the virus , the old and vulnerable been most at risk , he has since had a change of heart and now we are in virtual lock down . Heath workers still haven't got protective equipment , we have recently started to make ventilators . It all seems a bit slow to me, China hit it hard from the start and are now looking good . I cant deny he was following advice ? but not the WHO so maybe its not his fault ? I just hope everyone stays safe it looks like we are in for the long haul . Good luck to all who ever you voted for !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:01 pm

baldtiger wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:41 am

Personally I feel time was very much wasted at the start when nothing was done for 3 weeks BJ was happy for all to get the virus
This is nonsense, this decision was made by experts who modelled the outcomes. Clearly some people do not pay heed to the guidance coming from the daily briefings as in Labour voters packing out their local Wetherspoons.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:37 pm

Whatever you may think about your hero Boris, you cannot hide from the fact health professionals here are asking for more stringent action, foreign leaders are asking for more action, experts everywhere are asking for more action.

No idea what world you two live in but it must be full of unicorns and fairies!

I'm in the real world and I do expect my 'leader' to lead and not bumble along like a headless chicken.

Stay at home and stay safe, everyone.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:20 pm

Flat Capper wrote:
Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:37 pm
Whatever you may think about your hero Boris, you cannot hide from the fact health professionals here are asking for more stringent action, foreign leaders are asking for more action, experts everywhere are asking for more action.

No idea what world you two live in but it must be full of unicorns and fairies!

I'm in the real world and I do expect my 'leader' to lead and not bumble along like a headless chicken.

Stay at home and stay safe, everyone.
Yes the only way now to stop this is MARTIAL LAW NOW and everyone off the streets !

BJ had given the advice (grown up to grown up with benefit of the doubt on responsibility to allow a degree of responsible freedom for everyone) and which told everyone to follow instructions to isolate.

However, as you are in the real world as you say where we obviously have selfish low life scum people without a brain cell between their ears and think they are bullet proof and finish up going for a last drink in their local pub and then f..king off to the coast over the weekend where a percentage were highly likely carrying the virus, goes to show how morally dysfunctional parts of society really are !

MARTIAL LAW is unfortunately now the only way as presently, we as a species, aren't fit to rule this world in a responsible manner until we start considering one another and other life forms within nature and I feel this is nature's kick back, as it always has and always will be, a question of balance.

We either follow instruction and conform or we will die by the total collapse of society, simple as that !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:41 pm

Atr best you would describe BJ's apporach as niaive but inrelaity, he hates taking responsibility. orman Smith summe dit up very well this morning.

The human race is what it is and has slowly been killing itself since it evolved. Therefore, there are times when governments need to step in and take control. This is one of those occasions.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:06 pm

Interesting to see BJ still hasn't gone into full, total 'lockdown' and perhaps only he knows why.
T
he editorial in yesterday’s Times newspaper was interesting reading, stating that BJ was more Neville Chamberlain rather than Winston Churchill. Still, I suppose it's only loony lefties that are critical of BJ's approach!
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:33 pm

BJ had ultimately put his faith in society to do the right thing and sadly he has been let down - so who is to blame ?

If he had have declared Martial Law at the onset I bet you'd have got straight on the warpath anyway crying your eyes out about losing civil freedom and liberties, so devil you do, devil you don't !!!!

You have already made the decision to criticise him whatever he does - what a saddo !!

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