Totonto and the Salary Cap

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by old cas lass » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:16 am

Warrington then saints next 2 games.

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by St Albans tiger » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:24 pm

Sky continue to tell all and sundry that we should be giving Toronto and chance and that they need to be given this exemption and free from relegation etc. But is that what the general paying public want to see?

There was sky pole before the game - i assume of the paying public - who were asked the question about whether or not they should receive an exemption so that they can bring in more players - 78% were not in favour - so the answer is no - the general rugby fan does not want them to be given special treatment - yet sky tell us its in the best interests of the game.

No - whats in the best interest of the game is to listen to the people who pay and watch the game want to see happening.

Any business who fails to listen to their customers, will eventually go bust - hence why the attendances at games are falling and sponsorship deals are becoming less attractive and eventually the exposure on TV fall away.

Treat all clubs equally and build from the ground up - that way the game will eventually grow.

If Toronto had done that then they may have more than 23 players

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by tigerfeat » Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:44 pm

Don't know what the crowd was last night but there appeared little or no atmosphere in the ground in contrast to the Castleford v Wigan game last week
The game is all ready struggling in my opinion and to have teams in super league with little or no away following can only lead to further woes for the sport
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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by casjunction » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:04 pm

Attendance 10333 funnily enough my good lady commented on the lack of atmosphere and crowd noise.
No sooner had she said it one of the commentary team said similar.
Not a great advert for the game

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by nottinghamtiger » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:42 pm

casjunction wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:04 pm
Attendance 10333 funnily enough my good lady commented on the lack of atmosphere and crowd noise.
No sooner had she said it one of the commentary team said similar.
Not a great advert for the game
Over 10k? I don't think so....

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by Fumper27 » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:00 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:42 pm
casjunction wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:04 pm
Attendance 10333 funnily enough my good lady commented on the lack of atmosphere and crowd noise.
No sooner had she said it one of the commentary team said similar.
Not a great advert for the game
Over 10k? I don't think so....
Probably included all season tickets sold, even if they didn’t turn up

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by tigerfeat » Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:02 pm

They count all season ticket holders if they turn up or not must have counted future season ticket holders as well last night
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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by cogito ergo sum » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:08 am

Makes you wonder what will happen to Toronto if they go down. Think bookies have them at almost evens for relegation.

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by tigerfeat » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:20 am

A lot are saying it wasn't well thought out and blaming the RL for never learning the lessons but in fairness to them they didn't just throw them into super league they made them build through the championship the couldn't have expected them to turn up with a squad of only 22-23 players to play in SL
Whether the RL should have been thinking about trying to get a team in Canada into a European super league in the first place is another question
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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by St Albans tiger » Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:54 pm

But they did allow the championship teams to operate a salary cap the same as the SL which basically lead to Leighs demise and Toronto being almost certs for promotion each year

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by jackknife » Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:10 pm

Phil Clarke said us the fans dont get a vote on whether clubs help Toronto 😂

Toronto are now allowed to sign a Canadian born player under the age of 21 without it counting on the cap id personally say they can sign any Canadian player of any age that has never played professional rugby league or rugby union without that players wage counting on the cap.

This would force them to look at local talent rather than just sign aging journeymen.
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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by SuffolkTiger » Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:22 am

I've already aired some of my views on this but, put simply, it's a gimmick that causes the image of our sport equal amounts of bruising and polishing.

It won't last as the maths just don't add up.

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by casjunction » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:25 pm

Have to say the logistics of both Wolf Pack and Catalan do not make commercial sense at club level.
Little income from travelling supporters.
I know the argument about not relying on away fans but l would imagine the accountant factors them into their projections.
The cost for the club for the away fixture most be disproportionately high.
If it's coming from some central pot that's money which could help grass root clubs.
However l imagine Sky set the agenda either openly or otherwise thinking of advertising revenue.
It is also a nonsense playing some of their home fixtures away.
As it give the team being gifted an additional home advantage.
It's bad enough with loop fixture.
Gosh do we make a simple game difficult.
I can well imagine it being difficult to sell to a new audience.
It will be interesting to see the impact on their gates if they continue to lose every week.
Its easy to support a winning team.

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by casjunction » Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:49 pm

I just realise.
As a Cas fan l am assuming it's easy to support a winning team.

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Re: Totonto and the Salary Cap

Post by SuffolkTiger » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:56 am

Spot on in both your posts casjunction.

I get plenty of conversations going about RL with the people I work with in the south. The reaction is generally the same - they enjoy the games but cannot understand the structure of the fixtures. Even the term "Super League" confuses them. When I try and impartially explain the Toronto gig they just laugh and shake their heads.

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