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Post by tigerfeat » 11 Nov 2019, 12:15

i think we will have a top full back lined up for 2021 ,barba talking to a super league club apparently id be looking at Evalds myself...
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Post by Mysterio » 11 Nov 2019, 13:00

Barba can play again now can’t he?
There’s only one club can afford what he will try to demand and that’s TWP.
I’d like him here but doubt we could afford it. Would be nice to know if we’d looked at him though,
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Post by tigerfeat » 11 Nov 2019, 13:14

he played for Mackay with his brother at the weekend ,one of the rugby papers said he was talking to a super league club
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Post by the machine » 11 Nov 2019, 13:32

tigerfeat wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 12:15 i think we will have a top full back lined up for 2021 ,barba talking to a super league club apparently id be looking at Evalds myself...

Evalds will be salfords top priority in regards to retention now
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Post by Tamworth Tiger » 11 Nov 2019, 13:38

Mysterio wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 13:00 Barba can play again now can’t he?
There’s only one club can afford what he will try to demand and that’s TWP.
I’d like him here but doubt we could afford it. Would be nice to know if we’d looked at him though,
I thought that his ban to the NRL remained in place from something that I’d read and his ability to play in this game was due to a loophole?

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Post by jackknife » 11 Nov 2019, 13:59

In 2017 we already had the best team in the league until we lost hardaker so all we needed to do was replace him but we went for cheap option moving Roberts to full back and signing Ellis.
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Post by HuddsTigers » 11 Nov 2019, 14:33

I have faith in the club and Powell as always.

In six and a half years Powell has got us:
* 2 Finals
* 1 LLS
* Made the play-offs 4 out of 6 seasons [2014 (4th), 2017 (1st), 2018 (3rd), 2019 (5th)]
* Top 5 in six seasons (2015+2016 both finished 5th)

People kept writing us off including our own fans that we were going to regress or be one season wonders and every season he's disproved every single one of you critiquers wrong.

That's despite his best assets being sold off every single season, wanting to leave or getting themselves banned.
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Post by Flat Capper » 11 Nov 2019, 14:55

HuddsTigers wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 14:33 ...Made the play-offs 4 out of 6 seasons [2014 (4th), 2017 (1st), 2018 (3rd), 2019 (5th)]...
Think that's enough to sum up the cocerns of some who, IMO, aren't writing the club off but merely pointing out we've gone backewards and there no sign of that reversing. If we continue this trend we'll end up 7th and out of the play-offs which for a GFist 2 years ago is an abject failure.
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Post by thedogvinnie » 11 Nov 2019, 15:11

Mysterio wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 12:07
thedogvinnie wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 10:54
Mysterio wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 00:20
Fryston Tiger wrote: 10 Nov 2019, 18:28 JR is named as one of the 6.....
TRULY HONESTLY CANNOT BELIEVE OUR CLUB...

In my time ;

1994 RT winning team, needed one or two top quality additions to become joint favourites for the league title...result : rested on laurels. Went backwards.

1999 Squad genuinely needed one or two top quality additions to become joint favourites for the league title...result : rested on laurels. Went backwards

2017 squad absolutely only needed one or two top quality additions to become favourites for a GF win...result : rested on laurels. Went backwards

2018 pre season despite losing players Wells says we’re strong enough... :D

2019 - !

2020 - bottom half of table / potential relegation battle (no I’m not joking, it could quite easily happen next year, there’s only a couple of teams I’d ‘expect’ 2 points from

Digest & discuss....
To be fair that has always been the cycle at Cas, expect nothing and take the good with the bad. enjoy the ride.
I hope that’s partly tongue in cheek pal. It’s not the attitude we should settle for?
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You know, i can see a day coming when the superleague try and force Calder on us again, or relegate us cos our toiilets dont flush properly.
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Post by nottinghamtiger » 11 Nov 2019, 16:59

thedogvinnie wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 15:11.
You know, i can see a day coming when the superleague try and force Calder on us again, or relegate us cos our toiilets dont flush properly.
And the club would have nobody to blame but themselves.

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Post by tigerfeat » 11 Nov 2019, 19:22

I saw Alex Foster up glasshoughton at tea time he looked to be walking freely no idea how far he is off playing but you know if he comes back playing well it will be like a new signing for us
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Post by HuddsTigers » 11 Nov 2019, 19:25

Flat Capper wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 14:55
HuddsTigers wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 14:33 ...Made the play-offs 4 out of 6 seasons [2014 (4th), 2017 (1st), 2018 (3rd), 2019 (5th)]...
Think that's enough to sum up the cocerns of some who, IMO, aren't writing the club off but merely pointing out we've gone backewards and there no sign of that reversing. If we continue this trend we'll end up 7th and out of the play-offs which for a GFist 2 years ago is an abject failure.

But then by that logic we wouldn't have finished 1st in 2017 or shouldn't have done. It's gone 10th, 4th, 5th, 5th, 1st, 3rd, 5th.

We haven't dropped out the 5 with Powell in charge and that's with a squad decimated by injury last year too. We arguably *should* have finished higher given some of our losses last season too.
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Post by nottinghamtiger » 11 Nov 2019, 20:44

HuddsTigers wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 14:33 I have faith in the club and Powell as always.

In six and a half years Powell has got us:
* 2 Finals
* 1 LLS
* Made the play-offs 4 out of 6 seasons [2014 (4th), 2017 (1st), 2018 (3rd), 2019 (5th)]
* Top 5 in six seasons (2015+2016 both finished 5th)

People kept writing us off including our own fans that we were going to regress or be one season wonders and every season he's disproved every single one of you critiquers wrong.

That's despite his best assets being sold off every single season, wanting to leave or getting themselves banned.
I have faith in Powell. Considering where we were before he came in, and the challenges he has faced in the time he has been at the club, he has delivered more than anyone could have hoped for.
But I don’t have faith in those running the club. They are sleepwalking into losing our SL status if (or maybe when) the RFL decide to reintroduce some kind of off-field criteria.
Our marketing is woeful, our admin systems belong in the 1980s and there is absolutely no strategic direction whatsoever. They’ve destroyed relationships with supporter groups who offered services for free, local community groups and schools.
The coaching staff and most players (in terms of how they promote the club) cannot be faulted. Those in management need to take a long, hard look in the mirror (in my opinion).

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Post by Mysterio » 11 Nov 2019, 23:10

nottinghamtiger wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 20:44
HuddsTigers wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 14:33 I have faith in the club and Powell as always.

In six and a half years Powell has got us:
* 2 Finals
* 1 LLS
* Made the play-offs 4 out of 6 seasons [2014 (4th), 2017 (1st), 2018 (3rd), 2019 (5th)]
* Top 5 in six seasons (2015+2016 both finished 5th)

People kept writing us off including our own fans that we were going to regress or be one season wonders and every season he's disproved every single one of you critiquers wrong.

That's despite his best assets being sold off every single season, wanting to leave or getting themselves banned.
I have faith in Powell. Considering where we were before he came in, and the challenges he has faced in the time he has been at the club, he has delivered more than anyone could have hoped for.
But I don’t have faith in those running the club. They are sleepwalking into losing our SL status if (or maybe when) the RFL decide to reintroduce some kind of off-field criteria.
Our marketing is woeful, our admin systems belong in the 1980s and there is absolutely no strategic direction whatsoever. They’ve destroyed relationships with supporter groups who offered services for free, local community groups and schools.
The coaching staff and most players (in terms of how they promote the club) cannot be faulted. Those in management need to take a long, hard look in the mirror (in my opinion).
This is exactly the kind of thing I was trying to articulate :clap:
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Post by thedogvinnie » 12 Nov 2019, 09:39

nottinghamtiger wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 16:59
thedogvinnie wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 15:11.
You know, i can see a day coming when the superleague try and force Calder on us again, or relegate us cos our toiilets dont flush properly.
And the club would have nobody to blame but themselves.
Im curious, explain to me how the club with all its financial clout could have improved things and NOT gone the way Wakey have a few times and god forbid the way the Bulls still are, you never know, your superior knowledge may be picked up by the club and result in us getting the shiny [REMOVED] houses we deserve.

The club is Hamstrung by the glasshoughton white elephant and a council that prefers to pump all its brass into Wakefield Trinity ........ Where is our £3 million interest free loan? the old girl would scrub up well with £3 mill to play with dont ya think?

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Post by nottinghamtiger » 12 Nov 2019, 13:04

thedogvinnie wrote: 12 Nov 2019, 09:39
nottinghamtiger wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 16:59
thedogvinnie wrote: 11 Nov 2019, 15:11.
You know, i can see a day coming when the superleague try and force Calder on us again, or relegate us cos our toiilets dont flush properly.
And the club would have nobody to blame but themselves.
Im curious, explain to me how the club with all its financial clout could have improved things and NOT gone the way Wakey have a few times and god forbid the way the Bulls still are, you never know, your superior knowledge may be picked up by the club and result in us getting the shiny [REMOVED] houses we deserve.

The club is Hamstrung by the glasshoughton white elephant and a council that prefers to pump all its brass into Wakefield Trinity ........ Where is our £3 million interest free loan? the old girl would scrub up well with £3 mill to play with dont ya think?
Well, for a start you could do some stuff pretty much on the cheap. There’s some basic stuff that costs little, but has a big impact. Locks on toilet doors, for example. Throwing some gravel down the path between the training pitch and the turnstiles so it doesn’t turn into a mud bath or a swimming pool.
Then I think we might be onto decent quality temporary toilets. The kind that are outside Old Trafford and other major stadiums. You could put a decent block up where the current toilets are behind the main stand for a start. There is obviously a cost involved, but I think there general “rule of thumb” is that there should be one individual cubicle toilet per every 500 people that attend an event (400 female and 100 male) and the equivalent number of urinals. That’s certainly the numbers we worked to when our toilet facilities were out of action where I used to work. So we aren’t talking massive numbers (and therefore costs) for only 14 days a year.
Then there’s the free labour the supporters’ club we’re willing to put into small jobs around the ground, that was rejected by the club. They did a great job of alienating and annoying the very people who were willing to help. I notice there will be a new Supporters Group next year - and I’ll bet money that some of those who were most committed to the CTSC aren’t allowed to join.
You’re right though, the club have been wrong to blindly assume that the GH project will come to fruition. It might one day, but until then they have taken their eye off the ball in terms of what we actually have now.
I’ve said it before, the club have been too busy fixating on the future, whilst perilously ignoring the present.

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Post by HuddsTigers » 12 Nov 2019, 14:06

Or they have just been managing their resources into putting out a decent first team for people to watch. Can have the best facilities in the world but if the product is rubbish, no one will want to come watch it then.

Personally, I think we should back DP as much as we can and invest in the playing staff and coaching staff, as well as the technology to help improve the first team. I'd much rather have that for now.

From my perspective, we should be approaching local businesses to help do the work and giving them some kind of sponsorship in return. Imagine having a decent toilet block built with the logo of a brand emblazoned down the side of it with visibility to say 80,000 people a season plus whatever you can get on social media. Let's be honest, we're going to be here 2 more years probably.

We've got a few already in CBR Engineering who have done a lot of work for us. There must be more of those locally or around Yorkshire that would benefit from working with us and our audience, without sacrificing existing revenue streams?

As for the help, how do we know it was rejected? There is a difference between just not taking up the offer and flat out rejecting it. And you can understand the logic of not letting people invest time into doing loads of work that could be torn up in a few years. The club say they have a plan B and that's good enough for me, and all of this is fairly quick paced stuff that can be put into place fairly quickly I'd imagine. However, there is probably a significant cost of doing any major works to Wheldon Road itself, as it won't just be cosmetic changes.

Until then we work with what we've got and manage our resources properly. The club is breaking even or profitable and that's all we can ask for.
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Post by Johnlewis1920 » 12 Nov 2019, 14:26

H/T regards breaking even or making a profit I am surprised you have not looked on companies house and seen the latest accounts for the club without the bonus of Wembley / old Trafford and extra sky money it appears more clearer that the on field team have been disguising the off fields performance COYF

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Post by nottinghamtiger » 12 Nov 2019, 16:06

HuddsTigers wrote: 12 Nov 2019, 14:06 Or they have just been managing their resources into putting out a decent first team for people to watch. Can have the best facilities in the world but if the product is rubbish, no one will want to come watch it then.
This is the part I just don’t buy. This line of “we’re investing in the playing squad” rather than facilities just doesn’t add up for one reason - the salary cap.
By its very nature, we can’t “invest” in the playing squad more than we have done. We were paying up the cap in 2015 and continue to do so. That’s not investment, that’s maintaining the same expenditure.
It could be argued that we have invested in the squad in terms of transfer fees. But the fees we have received (Solomona, Gale, Chase, Carney, McLelland, Johnson) I suspect far outweigh the fees we have paid out (Watts, Hardaker, Mata’utia, Richardson), so again it’s not really investment.
And the thing is, you can usually watch the product on TV without going to WR. How many home games did we have last year that weren’t televised? You can have the best product in the world, but if people can watch it in their own home then you need to give them a reason to go to the expense and effort of coming to watch it live - and at the moment, the game-day experience simply isn’t worth the expense. I guess whether it’s worth the effort depends on how easy it is for individuals to actually get to WR.

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Post by tigerfeat » 12 Nov 2019, 17:28

HuddsTigers wrote: 12 Nov 2019, 14:06 Or they have just been managing their resources into putting out a decent first team for people to watch. Can have the best facilities in the world but if the product is rubbish, no one will want to come watch it then.

Personally, I think we should back DP as much as we can and invest in the playing staff and coaching staff, as well as the technology to help improve the first team. I'd much rather have that for now.

From my perspective, we should be approaching local businesses to help do the work and giving them some kind of sponsorship in return. Imagine having a decent toilet block built with the logo of a brand emblazoned down the side of it with visibility to say 80,000 people a season plus whatever you can get on social media. Let's be honest, we're going to be here 2 more years probably.

We've got a few already in CBR Engineering who have done a lot of work for us. There must be more of those locally or around Yorkshire that would benefit from working with us and our audience, without sacrificing existing revenue streams?

As for the help, how do we know it was rejected? There is a difference between just not taking up the offer and flat out rejecting it. And you can understand the logic of not letting people invest time into doing loads of work that could be torn up in a few years. The club say they have a plan B and that's good enough for me, and all of this is fairly quick paced stuff that can be put into place fairly quickly I'd imagine. However, there is probably a significant cost of doing any major works to Wheldon Road itself, as it won't just be cosmetic changes.

Until then we work with what we've got and manage our resources properly. The club is breaking even or profitable and that's all we can ask for.
Where are we going to be after two more years then ??
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