Flat Capper wrote:CasRus wrote:I suggest you ask the majority Labour areas in the Northern Heartlands who voted Brexit (You know those people who you are supposedly part of in this area and who Yvette Cooper is supposed to represent but persists to kick in the ball ocks and thinks she knows what's best for them - dictator or what like the rest of those anti democratic Remainers who think the electorate is plain thick and stupid to see what's going on !).
You know what WF10, you must think you are in a Corbyn cult and see him as the guiding light ! Well the last few cults that existed in recent History didn't end well as the like of Charles Manson did it !! Seems to me you can't think for yourself and Corbyn has removed your brain and replaced it back after a Corbyn Brainwash treatment course !
That last paragraph sums up the ridiculous state of mind of Brexitiers; absolutely no relevance whatsoever, particularly as JC is actually a Eurosceptic who is simply following the will of his party. Another example of democracy in action.
As for those supporting remain or a good working deal with the EU, they are made up from across the political spectrum apart from the (very) right wing who care less about the Labour heartlands than anyone else I can think of. LIb Dems, Greens, SNP and a very large proportion of Tories are all against a 'no deal' Brexit. Many of these do not support the majority of JC's political views so can hardly be described as 'brainwashed'.
I myself disagree with some of JC's policies but as things stand, he provides the best option for the working man and the much maligned public services that we do all rely on.
FlatCapper, you are missing a massive point here !
Who does the MPs work For ? Us is the answer !
Did they empower the electorate to decide this one question of Leave or Remain ? Yes they did
So did they remove themselves of their democratic right to make the decision of Leave or Remain and remove themselves of making that ruling ? Yes they did !
Was their any page 2 of this vote of how to leave like tick box A for No Deal, B stay in a Customs Union, etc etc ? No there wasn't ! The question was simple Leave or Remain !
So what you are saying that the Labour (who are now remain) /Lib Dem/ Greens/ SNP who are all remainers should overturn a decision made by their people who they represent in a UK Parliament on a UK wide representative vote and where they passed that decision over to be made by the people and now want it back because it doesn't suit them !!
I'm sorry old chap but your are totally wrong on this point as they work for us and they are now going against the people's democracy and especially after removing themselves from the decision in the first place ! Your argument does not hold water on these remain parties now having a say and cloud the arguments on a number of points and issues like SNP do saying 62% Remain in Scotland - it was they that rejoined the UK and should abide by the whole vote - no ifs or buts otherwise they are going against the principles of law, not BJ !) .
The question was Leave or Remain and we voted to Leave so that's what it should be and if they can't get their act together to agree on a Leave strategy after 3 years, then it should be NO Deal as they agreed to in Article 50 remember and now want to trash that. That's what being Anti Democratic is by ignoring the Ref result and now reneging on the Article 50 they voted for - Period !
It's perfectly Black and White to Me irrespective of whether it's a bad decision or a good decision to leave as you could say in remaining, that could also be a much worse decision in time to come ! Nobody knows what's best (Nobody has a Crystal Ball to make any assumptions on what's best) but to go against democracy in this first instance is totally tragic for the people and Pandora's Box is now starting to open up wide !
So I'm sorry to say that it's Wrong to go against the People's vote and Remainers should accept this instead of herding us back into the EU against the Democratic will of the Majority ! Are we now going to turn over afuture Labour 52-48 win in an election and start changing laws to stop them taking power like what's been going on ? Precedence can have very deep implications !
And by the way, if as you say that Corbyn is Eurosceptic which he has been for the past 20 odd years , then what is he doing now supporting Remain as he is the Leader of the Party ? I'll tell you - Turning himself into the biggest Hypocrite of the many hypocrites there are within the Commons and just playing party politics to Gain Power at all costs ! If he has any decency he would resign as Leader but I'm glad he hasn't as he is dragging the Labour Vote down !
Sometimes you lot don't see the wood for the trees ! Why do you think there is resistance to coming out ? Because there are a lot of very rich Remainers who are making oodles from being in the EU that's why ! They are Double Bluffing and you lot just can't see it !! Coming Out like most of the Northern Heartlands want would free up World Enterprise and allow Entrepreneurial clever guys to go out and bring contracts in and create more jobs and wealth to this country and you lot just can't see that either !! There's a big world out there and some of you need to start opening up your eyes which I did from being an Airedaler who had nowt from growing up and made my own way in the world from leaving school with 2 O levels to a very decent standard of living of house now owned 2 cars money in the bank ! it's there if you want it but it's hard work also to get there (not 8 hours work and straight in the pub and then moan about and want to tax the rich to death !). It's how it all works in having clever people with drive and a workforce content in what they do and content with having no ambition but in a free country you can decide to be whatever you want providing you have the skillset and intelligence to move forward. My enterprise has created 20 jobs in this community for desperate people who would otherwise be unemployed so please don't ever knock the very people that can bring home the bacon for others ! On a bigger scale take a look at Dyson and Wetherspoon and a few others who know all about big business and what is good for this country rather than career politicians who haven't got a scooby do !! They know that this country could be great if only unleashed from the EU !