Not doing Wattsy any harm.nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
And he's still got a life outside of Rugby. People mature. Wattsy certainly has over the years
Not doing Wattsy any harm.nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
There pretty much family now, and I see Wattsy regularly in the Hope And Anchor and he has always behaved himself. Normally 3/4 beers and a game of cards then home. Still wouldn't risk it thoughdettoriman wrote:Not doing Wattsy any harm.nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
And he's still got a life outside of Rugby. People mature. Wattsy certainly has over the years
Maybe bring Richard Owen back as well. Oh and how about Rangi, we'd be ok for the Christmas Party.nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
They still knock about daily. Wattsy is engaged to Westermans sister.nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
Don't disagree with the points you make, however I guess the point I am making albeit in a long winded kind of way lol, is that I don't see a return to a ball playing loose forward happening any time soon, as the benefit of an additional pivot (going from 4 to 5) is I feel outweighed by the extra work you would be asking the 4 remaining forwards to do in both attack but especially defence.mdean wrote:I somewhat agree with that, just because everyone sets up a certain way is because everyone has a similar blueprint. You go back probably 25 years when Aus started the umbrella defence and we had always just numbered off, changed the game, everyone did it for a while, then there was units for a while and now we are numbering off long and short side pretty much again.nottinghamtiger wrote:The best teams and coaches progress the way the game is played.westyorkylad wrote:The fact is that in the modern game of RL the loose forward is little more than another prop, I cannot see this changing in the near future with the reduction of interchanges.
The 'play' comes from the 4 x pivots which are the fullback, stand off, scrum half and hooker.
This is not a system that is particular to Cas its basically how all teams operate in the RL of today.
The only team that really bucks this system is Wigan with O'Loughlin, but then love him or loathe him the guy is a freak and runs and tackles like a prop but also fills in regularly as another pivot.
All the forwards, or at least most of them now get involved in link up plays, but it is the Pivots who dictate the play.
Joe Westerman and Currie at Wire are examples of forwards who excel in this role and occasionally go beyond it, they are in the minority for sure.
Asking for halfbacks etc to be played at Loose so you have 5 pivots, with the current number of interchanges allowed would seriously restrict a teams ability to dominate the middle of the park, and as I am sure we all appreciate if you are not in the ascendancy in the middle, then it doesn't matter how good your pivots are you are going to be on the back foot.........
Just my 10 pence worth for what its worth :-"
Depending on your personnel, you can set up differently and move the game along, trends change.
Because defending has got a lot better and more organised, I do think there will be more mobility in attack and have to be more creative to get on outside shoulders or through the line, it might well bring back more classic loose forward play, with a loose and a fullback able to join the shape at either side.
Who do we need? I think we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater a bit at the minute, I don't think we can make a shopping list until we have bodies back and playing fully fit. My biggest worry at the moment is MIllo, if he is unravelling that is a huge space to fill and one you can't buy. Millo took 14 months with injury and adjustment and since that first season has been immense; as I said on another thread, you can't buy leadership, that comes with time.
Haha yeah think you've called it there palmdean wrote:We are all just sharing our own humble opinions mate, shall we call each other names and be outraged now! That is how it usually goes when people don't exactly agree on a forum!
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