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You can’t do nothing in attack if you don’t have a platform. The only one trying to give us go forward was Watts with Clark adding to that for his small stint.
Millo offers very little in attack any more given he now plays as an extra pivot. He doesn’t take the ball in, he isn’t going to punch holes and he’s lost his offloading game. He’s lost what made him and Lynch great impact players/gamechangers.
Massey gets on his front but him and Milner don’t give us the ability to batter Wigan and knock them back. JSL looked absolutely knackered as soon as he stepped on to the turf. His first carry he looked like he could barely run.
And our two second towers are too honest - they don’t have any grunt. McMeeken for his size should be a real threat yet seems to struggle.
You could say we missed Moors and Cook last night but we either need to start whipping Springer and Maher into shape or shipping them out to bring in another first grade prop.
Our problems started and existed with the forwards last night. Our backs got nothing and when they did it was out of blind panic forcing the ball.
Millo offers very little in attack any more given he now plays as an extra pivot. He doesn’t take the ball in, he isn’t going to punch holes and he’s lost his offloading game. He’s lost what made him and Lynch great impact players/gamechangers.
Massey gets on his front but him and Milner don’t give us the ability to batter Wigan and knock them back. JSL looked absolutely knackered as soon as he stepped on to the turf. His first carry he looked like he could barely run.
And our two second towers are too honest - they don’t have any grunt. McMeeken for his size should be a real threat yet seems to struggle.
You could say we missed Moors and Cook last night but we either need to start whipping Springer and Maher into shape or shipping them out to bring in another first grade prop.
Our problems started and existed with the forwards last night. Our backs got nothing and when they did it was out of blind panic forcing the ball.
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Can’t judge coaches just on losing big games. So many good ones don’t even get to big games.
You have to be in the top 8 to realistically compete. What is the lowest we have finished under Powell. In that period how many clubs had a similar top 6 never mind top 8 record?
How many Grand Finals have Saints made in that period? How many clubs I wonder would snap our hands off to get Powell as their coach?
How many of our squad would have been so keen to join us without our current coaching team?
Would we still have a team to follow in the top flight without him?
Would our financial position have meant we wouldn’t have existed at all?
Would we have won our first top flight trophy of the Super League era or finished top for the oneand only time in our history.
I know there are a lot of people on here much cleverer than me ( possibly not all Cas fans obviously) so any help with answering these questions would be gratefully received.
In the meantime my humble attempt in answering the exam question is that no I don’t think Powell has taken us as far as he can, and yes I do think that he and the team can learn from the experience and take us forward at least as successfully as any other available coach
You have to be in the top 8 to realistically compete. What is the lowest we have finished under Powell. In that period how many clubs had a similar top 6 never mind top 8 record?
How many Grand Finals have Saints made in that period? How many clubs I wonder would snap our hands off to get Powell as their coach?
How many of our squad would have been so keen to join us without our current coaching team?
Would we still have a team to follow in the top flight without him?
Would our financial position have meant we wouldn’t have existed at all?
Would we have won our first top flight trophy of the Super League era or finished top for the oneand only time in our history.
I know there are a lot of people on here much cleverer than me ( possibly not all Cas fans obviously) so any help with answering these questions would be gratefully received.
In the meantime my humble attempt in answering the exam question is that no I don’t think Powell has taken us as far as he can, and yes I do think that he and the team can learn from the experience and take us forward at least as successfully as any other available coach
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I agree with all that, except possibly Milo.Cook and particularly Moors were a massive miss and that meant the work wasn’t evenly shared out which exposed Watts and Millo too much. Springer and Maher need to stand up or be replaced either if we are very lucky by another Watts or Clark or by us making cap space and spending big moneyHuddsTigers wrote:You can’t do nothing in attack if you don’t have a platform. The only one trying to give us go forward was Watts with Clark adding to that for his small stint.
Millo offers very little in attack any more given he now plays as an extra pivot. He doesn’t take the ball in, he isn’t going to punch holes and he’s lost his offloading game. He’s lost what made him and Lynch great impact players/gamechangers.
Massey gets on his front but him and Milner don’t give us the ability to batter Wigan and knock them back. JSL looked absolutely knackered as soon as he stepped on to the turf. His first carry he looked like he could barely run.
And our two second towers are too honest - they don’t have any grunt. McMeeken for his size should be a real threat yet seems to struggle.
You could say we missed Moors and Cook last night but we either need to start whipping Springer and Maher into shape or shipping them out to bring in another first grade prop.
Our problems started and existed with the forwards last night. Our backs got nothing and when they did it was out of blind panic forcing the ball.
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It’s an unpopular opinion on Millo - I posted something earlier in the year after the Hudds away game similar and it got shot down by a few. He has some good games but he also has some very average games. Watching from the stands last night, there were times when we just needed him to cart the ball in and sock it to Wigan and he didn’t. We need that Millo back.
I wonder how much age is a factor too. You look at our props, they are all in their 30s bar Watts, JSL, and Clark.
Millo will be 32 in November, Moors 32, Cook 32 in November. Age is but a number but I can’t help but feeling the likes of Millo shouldn’t be doing 60 mins any more so that we keep getting the best out of them.
I wonder how much age is a factor too. You look at our props, they are all in their 30s bar Watts, JSL, and Clark.
Millo will be 32 in November, Moors 32, Cook 32 in November. Age is but a number but I can’t help but feeling the likes of Millo shouldn’t be doing 60 mins any more so that we keep getting the best out of them.
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Hard to swallow as Powell got us where we are in many ways. Big game failings are so disappointing. It's not the losing that's the issue. Someone has to lose. It's the manner of performance. What is he saying to them?Tamworth Tiger wrote:Can’t judge coaches just on losing big games. So many good ones don’t even get to big games.
You have to be in the top 8 to realistically compete. What is the lowest we have finished under Powell. In that period how many clubs had a similar top 6 never mind top 8 record?
How many Grand Finals have Saints made in that period? How many clubs I wonder would snap our hands off to get Powell as their coach?
How many of our squad would have been so keen to join us without our current coaching team?
Would we still have a team to follow in the top flight without him?
Would our financial position have meant we wouldn’t have existed at all?
Would we have won our first top flight trophy of the Super League era or finished top for the oneand only time in our history.
I know there are a lot of people on here much cleverer than me ( possibly not all Cas fans obviously) so any help with answering these questions would be gratefully received.
In the meantime my humble attempt in answering the exam question is that no I don’t think Powell has taken us as far as he can, and yes I do think that he and the team can learn from the experience and take us forward at least as successfully as any other available coach
Wane seems to have the entire 17 chomping at the bit, so fired up. We look soft at times. Both tries last night were awful to concede in a semi. Where's the next level of intensity? We look well short.
Out of interest: Saints since 2009 in semi finals and finals: lost 16. Won 1.
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A lot calmer now.......
DP is a great coach but his record in big games is poor
However without him we would not be a set of supporters so gutted at losing in a grand final and semi final....we have come that far under him it is incredible.
As he said in his post match interview we are not mentally strong enough in big games...he thought after last year we had learnt to cope better....obviously not .... he will focus on this for next season....I do beleive DP needs the assistance of some one who can alter the mindset for play off rugby.
He has turned us into an established top four club....has changed us into a strong balanced league team....i beleive he will fix this last piece of the jigsaw puzzle....snd make us a strong playoff team.
Dont for one second think he has taken us far enough....
DP is a great coach but his record in big games is poor
However without him we would not be a set of supporters so gutted at losing in a grand final and semi final....we have come that far under him it is incredible.
As he said in his post match interview we are not mentally strong enough in big games...he thought after last year we had learnt to cope better....obviously not .... he will focus on this for next season....I do beleive DP needs the assistance of some one who can alter the mindset for play off rugby.
He has turned us into an established top four club....has changed us into a strong balanced league team....i beleive he will fix this last piece of the jigsaw puzzle....snd make us a strong playoff team.
Dont for one second think he has taken us far enough....
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That is interesting. Didn’t Leeds have a shocking Cup Final record too until they beat us in 2014?RonnieGibbs'forearm wrote:Hard to swallow as Powell got us where we are in many ways. Big game failings are so disappointing. It's not the losing that's the issue. Someone has to lose. It's the manner of performance. What is he saying to them?Tamworth Tiger wrote:Can’t judge coaches just on losing big games. So many good ones don’t even get to big games.
You have to be in the top 8 to realistically compete. What is the lowest we have finished under Powell. In that period how many clubs had a similar top 6 never mind top 8 record?
How many Grand Finals have Saints made in that period? How many clubs I wonder would snap our hands off to get Powell as their coach?
How many of our squad would have been so keen to join us without our current coaching team?
Would we still have a team to follow in the top flight without him?
Would our financial position have meant we wouldn’t have existed at all?
Would we have won our first top flight trophy of the Super League era or finished top for the oneand only time in our history.
I know there are a lot of people on here much cleverer than me ( possibly not all Cas fans obviously) so any help with answering these questions would be gratefully received.
In the meantime my humble attempt in answering the exam question is that no I don’t think Powell has taken us as far as he can, and yes I do think that he and the team can learn from the experience and take us forward at least as successfully as any other available coach
Wane seems to have the entire 17 chomping at the bit, so fired up. We look soft at times. Both tries last night were awful to concede in a semi. Where's the next level of intensity? We look well short.
Out of interest: Saints since 2009 in semi finals and finals: lost 16. Won 1.
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Agree with that. A+ answer!init wrote:A lot calmer now.......
DP is a great coach but his record in big games is poor
However without him we would not be a set of supporters so gutted at losing in a grand final and semi final....we have come that far under him it is incredible.
As he said in his post match interview we are not mentally strong enough in big games...he thought after last year we had learnt to cope better....obviously not .... he will focus on this for next season....I do beleive DP needs the assistance of some one who can alter the mindset for play off rugby
He has turned us into an established top four club....has changed us into a strong balanced league team....i beleive he will fix this last piece of the jigsaw puzzle....snd make us a strong playoff team.
Dont for one second think he has taken us far enough....
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good sum up that lad about nailed it but also desperately need two more centre's and another winger we pace clair is reliably standard but no pace. think we also missed trueman Roberts is done for me think even ellis would have done more then him last night specially kicking near line shenton should be there for cover only next not get rid totalyHuddsTigers wrote:You can’t do nothing in attack if you don’t have a platform. The only one trying to give us go forward was Watts with Clark adding to that for his small stint.
Millo offers very little in attack any more given he now plays as an extra pivot. He doesn’t take the ball in, he isn’t going to punch holes and he’s lost his offloading game. He’s lost what made him and Lynch great impact players/gamechangers.
Massey gets on his front but him and Milner don’t give us the ability to batter Wigan and knock them back. JSL looked absolutely knackered as soon as he stepped on to the turf. His first carry he looked like he could barely run.
And our two second towers are too honest - they don’t have any grunt. McMeeken for his size should be a real threat yet seems to struggle.
You could say we missed Moors and Cook last night but we either need to start whipping Springer and Maher into shape or shipping them out to bring in another first grade prop.
Our problems started and existed with the forwards last night. Our backs got nothing and when they did it was out of blind panic forcing the ball.
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Actually got stats wrong for Saints.Tamworth Tiger wrote:That is interesting. Didn’t Leeds have a shocking Cup Final record too until they beat us in 2014?RonnieGibbs'forearm wrote:Hard to swallow as Powell got us where we are in many ways. Big game failings are so disappointing. It's not the losing that's the issue. Someone has to lose. It's the manner of performance. What is he saying to them?Tamworth Tiger wrote:Can’t judge coaches just on losing big games. So many good ones don’t even get to big games.
You have to be in the top 8 to realistically compete. What is the lowest we have finished under Powell. In that period how many clubs had a similar top 6 never mind top 8 record?
How many Grand Finals have Saints made in that period? How many clubs I wonder would snap our hands off to get Powell as their coach?
How many of our squad would have been so keen to join us without our current coaching team?
Would we still have a team to follow in the top flight without him?
Would our financial position have meant we wouldn’t have existed at all?
Would we have won our first top flight trophy of the Super League era or finished top for the oneand only time in our history.
I know there are a lot of people on here much cleverer than me ( possibly not all Cas fans obviously) so any help with answering these questions would be gratefully received.
In the meantime my humble attempt in answering the exam question is that no I don’t think Powell has taken us as far as he can, and yes I do think that he and the team can learn from the experience and take us forward at least as successfully as any other available coach
Wane seems to have the entire 17 chomping at the bit, so fired up. We look soft at times. Both tries last night were awful to concede in a semi. Where's the next level of intensity? We look well short.
Out of interest: Saints since 2009 in semi finals and finals: lost 16. Won 1.
Should say since 2009 they have won one final from both comps. Lost in 3.
Lost 5 CC semis. Won 0.
Lost 6 play off semis. Won 4.
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Wane said something in his press conference that is key to their preparation
"I drum it into the players and will again this week"
It clearly works....
"I drum it into the players and will again this week"
It clearly works....
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Different code but when asked what one thing kept the all backs at the pinnacle of the sport for so long and made them feared by all other nations, the all time great said "the answer is simple - we fear losing - we wouldn't be able to look our fore fathers in the eye"
Wane has a similar approach - it's win at all costs. It's what sport is about - it's why we keep score
Wane has a similar approach - it's win at all costs. It's what sport is about - it's why we keep score
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If I were a pie eater i wouldn't want wane to be leaving and I know some say boring rugby and worse but he wins the big games end of ...
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Yep - look at how many local lads he has brought through as well - you can't ask for much more from a coach....tigerfeat wrote:If I were a pie eater i wouldn't want wane to be leaving and I know some say boring rugby and worse but he wins the big games end of ...
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For me Luke Gale has to take most of the blame for the performance last night. Unfortunately he lacks the emotional maturity to handle big games. Last night rather than guiding his players he spent way too much time arguing with the referee and getting drawn into scuffles. He was very close to being binned at one point.
I think we would have done better without him.
I think we would have done better without him.
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Thats what it takes.ERG2012 wrote:Wane said something in his press conference that is key to their preparation
"I drum it into the players and will again this week"
It clearly works....
Can’t see Daryl being as aggressive as wane.
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powell is still the man for me.with all the injuries etc I think we did amazing to finish in the playoffs.i can't remember a game this season where we matched last seasons highs and hopefully with just a couple of replacements and a bit of better luck with injuries we will be a force next year.
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If minikin was fit to play id find it astonishing that Clare was picked over him on grounds I presume he's played most of season and not done too bad
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Minikin was injured apparently, hamstring I think.
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We must have broken some kind of record for the highest number of hamstring injuries in a season.Tiger53 wrote:Minikin was injured apparently, hamstring I think.
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