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Post by nottinghamtiger » 26 Jul 2021, 22:27

derbystiger wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 21:02
Tiger53 wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 19:14 What is it that some people just don’t grasp ?

The debate about Hardaker is nothing to do with how good he was in 2017 or how he ultimately screwed us in 2017. I have my views on that but they are irrelevant to 2021.

The main point is, HARDAKER IS A FULL BACK. We have a full back, we don’t need one. Hardaker can fill in at centre, we don’t need someone to fill in at centre. WE NEED A CENTRE, a specialist centre not a full back who can fill in there.

Let’s target the resources that we have towards the needs of the team in 2021 not the team of 2017.
Yep, a few of us said the same thing a couple of weeks ago. It’s unbelievable hey. We have had people moaning for the last few years about playing players out of position, square pegs round holes etc… and now calling for a full back to be signed, when we already have one, to play centre. You’ve gotta laugh at times.

I don’t want Hardacre back and I don’t want Gale back. It’s like we’re trying to organise a 2017 reunion year! Let’s move forward.
I’m not too sure.
Plenty of players change position as they move through their career because their attributes also change. It’s probably fair to say that Hardaker doesn’t have the pace and footwork he had in 2017, and he’s a bit bigger. Maybe those changes mean he is now more suited to playing at centre than at full-back?
When he was playing at centre for Wigan last year, I thought he was better than most other SL centres.
What you get from Hardaker is the ability to break a game and come up with a big play when you need it, no matter where he is playing.
What you also get is a history of never getting to the end of of contract without controversy.

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Re: Hardacre

Post by mart0042 » 27 Jul 2021, 09:56

derbystiger wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 21:02
Tiger53 wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 19:14 What is it that some people just don’t grasp ?

The debate about Hardaker is nothing to do with how good he was in 2017 or how he ultimately screwed us in 2017. I have my views on that but they are irrelevant to 2021.

The main point is, HARDAKER IS A FULL BACK. We have a full back, we don’t need one. Hardaker can fill in at centre, we don’t need someone to fill in at centre. WE NEED A CENTRE, a specialist centre not a full back who can fill in there.

Let’s target the resources that we have towards the needs of the team in 2021 not the team of 2017.
Yep, a few of us said the same thing a couple of weeks ago. It’s unbelievable hey. We have had people moaning for the last few years about playing players out of position, square pegs round holes etc… and now calling for a full back to be signed, when we already have one, to play centre. You’ve gotta laugh at times.

I don’t want Hardacre back and I don’t want Gale back. It’s like we’re trying to organise a 2017 reunion year! Let’s move forward.
I agree with you both. Radford has a chance to rebuild. Let's get players for each position and have a few that are multipositional, not the other way round.

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Post by the changeling » 27 Jul 2021, 10:47

Evalds at FB and Zak in the centres could make for some exciting attacking rugby, people have short memories and it would only take a few class outings for them to forget his past.

I said he should be banned sine die when he pooped on us and cost us the GF, but maybe he is what we need to reignite interest after two really odd seasons (not forgetting wembley)

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Post by FIat Capper » 27 Jul 2021, 12:13

mart0042 wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 09:56
derbystiger wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 21:02
Tiger53 wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 19:14 What is it that some people just don’t grasp ?

The debate about Hardaker is nothing to do with how good he was in 2017 or how he ultimately screwed us in 2017. I have my views on that but they are irrelevant to 2021.

The main point is, HARDAKER IS A FULL BACK. We have a full back, we don’t need one. Hardaker can fill in at centre, we don’t need someone to fill in at centre. WE NEED A CENTRE, a specialist centre not a full back who can fill in there.

Let’s target the resources that we have towards the needs of the team in 2021 not the team of 2017.
Yep, a few of us said the same thing a couple of weeks ago. It’s unbelievable hey. We have had people moaning for the last few years about playing players out of position, square pegs round holes etc… and now calling for a full back to be signed, when we already have one, to play centre. You’ve gotta laugh at times.

I don’t want Hardacre back and I don’t want Gale back. It’s like we’re trying to organise a 2017 reunion year! Let’s move forward.
I agree with you both. Radford has a chance to rebuild. Let's get players for each position and have a few that are multipositional, not the other way round.
Spot on one and all.

It's a simple game we try to make too complicated and whilst I'm not against former players coming back, they must bring additional value to the squad. From what I've seen of ZH playing at center has only proved to me he is an out and out fullback and we're sorted in that position.

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Re: Hardacre

Post by westerbeast73 » 27 Jul 2021, 13:01

FIat Capper wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 12:13
mart0042 wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 09:56
derbystiger wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 21:02
Tiger53 wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 19:14 What is it that some people just don’t grasp ?

The debate about Hardaker is nothing to do with how good he was in 2017 or how he ultimately screwed us in 2017. I have my views on that but they are irrelevant to 2021.

The main point is, HARDAKER IS A FULL BACK. We have a full back, we don’t need one. Hardaker can fill in at centre, we don’t need someone to fill in at centre. WE NEED A CENTRE, a specialist centre not a full back who can fill in there.

Let’s target the resources that we have towards the needs of the team in 2021 not the team of 2017.
Yep, a few of us said the same thing a couple of weeks ago. It’s unbelievable hey. We have had people moaning for the last few years about playing players out of position, square pegs round holes etc… and now calling for a full back to be signed, when we already have one, to play centre. You’ve gotta laugh at times.

I don’t want Hardacre back and I don’t want Gale back. It’s like we’re trying to organise a 2017 reunion year! Let’s move forward.
I agree with you both. Radford has a chance to rebuild. Let's get players for each position and have a few that are multipositional, not the other way round.
Spot on one and all.

It's a simple game we try to make too complicated and whilst I'm not against former players coming back, they must bring additional value to the squad. From what I've seen of ZH playing at center has only proved to me he is an out and out fullback and we're sorted in that position.
Out and out fullback that plays his international rugby at Centre. :-k I'd have him in either position. Massive improvement on Shenton in attack that's for sure.

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Post by FIat Capper » 27 Jul 2021, 16:13

westerbeast73 wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 13:01
Out and out fullback that plays his international rugby at Centre. :-k I'd have him in either position. Massive improvement on Shenton in attack that's for sure.
How many caps has he got playing at center and how many at fullback?

How many GF's has he played in at fullback and center?

What position did he play at Cas in 2017?

Out and out fullback that has been picked to play center because he is a quality player that can adapt but that doen't make him a center.

Not sure there's anything else to add?

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Post by Mucky1978 » 27 Jul 2021, 16:22

FIat Capper wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 16:13
westerbeast73 wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 13:01
Out and out fullback that plays his international rugby at Centre. :-k I'd have him in either position. Massive improvement on Shenton in attack that's for sure.
How many caps has he got playing at center and how many at fullback?

How many GF's has he played in at fullback and center?

What position did he play at Cas in 2017?

Out and out fullback that has been picked to play center because he is a quality player that can adapt but that doen't make him a center.

Not sure there's anything else to add?
I’d much prefer him at centre then say Greg Minikin who we was rumoured to be signing for there.

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Post by FIat Capper » 27 Jul 2021, 16:57

Surely the answer is to sign a quality center rather than someone who can cover the position.

If you watched the 1895 Cup final you will have seen the rotund Fev Second Rower, John Davies, put in an excellent performance at center, feeding a young winger for two tries. He's still not going to be first choice for center for them.

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Post by old cas lass » 27 Jul 2021, 16:59

Name a good Center who will be available for next season.
Can’t think of one.

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Post by MrRugby123 » 27 Jul 2021, 17:02

I see everyone’s point about Hardaker being an out and out fullback but for me he’s just as good as any centre available at the moment. His versatility and leadership (onfield) is something we desperately need and we would be a much better side with him in it.

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Re: Hardacre

Post by westerbeast73 » 27 Jul 2021, 17:56

FIat Capper wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 16:13
westerbeast73 wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 13:01
Out and out fullback that plays his international rugby at Centre. :-k I'd have him in either position. Massive improvement on Shenton in attack that's for sure.
How many caps has he got playing at center and how many at fullback?

How many GF's has he played in at fullback and center?

What position did he play at Cas in 2017?

Out and out fullback that has been picked to play center because he is a quality player that can adapt but that doen't make him a center.

Not sure there's anything else to add?
Sorry but I respect Wayne Bennets opinion over yours.

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Post by Dennis Vazquez » 27 Jul 2021, 21:16

Anyone who has watched him surely can see his quality in both positions. He started as a winger at Fev, spent most of his SL career at FB and I have no argument he is class there, but with our injury record (Evalds ongoing shoulder issues to name but one) Hardaker would get game time in both positions.
If you'd rather take the likes of Minikin above Hardaker then that speaks volumes.
Adding proven international quality to your squad, who has versatility, especially in these uncertain times when players are missing left, right and centre, is a no brainer for a club like us.

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Post by mart0042 » 28 Jul 2021, 10:08

westerbeast73 wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 13:01
FIat Capper wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 12:13
mart0042 wrote: 27 Jul 2021, 09:56
derbystiger wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 21:02
Tiger53 wrote: 26 Jul 2021, 19:14 What is it that some people just don’t grasp ?

The debate about Hardaker is nothing to do with how good he was in 2017 or how he ultimately screwed us in 2017. I have my views on that but they are irrelevant to 2021.

The main point is, HARDAKER IS A FULL BACK. We have a full back, we don’t need one. Hardaker can fill in at centre, we don’t need someone to fill in at centre. WE NEED A CENTRE, a specialist centre not a full back who can fill in there.

Let’s target the resources that we have towards the needs of the team in 2021 not the team of 2017.
Yep, a few of us said the same thing a couple of weeks ago. It’s unbelievable hey. We have had people moaning for the last few years about playing players out of position, square pegs round holes etc… and now calling for a full back to be signed, when we already have one, to play centre. You’ve gotta laugh at times.

I don’t want Hardacre back and I don’t want Gale back. It’s like we’re trying to organise a 2017 reunion year! Let’s move forward.
I agree with you both. Radford has a chance to rebuild. Let's get players for each position and have a few that are multipositional, not the other way round.
Spot on one and all.

It's a simple game we try to make too complicated and whilst I'm not against former players coming back, they must bring additional value to the squad. From what I've seen of ZH playing at center has only proved to me he is an out and out fullback and we're sorted in that position.
Out and out fullback that plays his international rugby at Centre. :-k I'd have him in either position. Massive improvement on Shenton in attack that's for sure.
Just to put context into this, Wayne Bennett played Blake Austin on the wing. He was crap there as well.

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Post by tigerfeat » 28 Jul 2021, 10:17

Hardaker would be a lot better centre than we've had in some time on playing ability it would be a no brainer to have a player of his ability in the team
For them that can't get over what he did to Cas i fully understand that... think most would get behind him tho.. after a while anyway
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Post by mart0042 » 28 Jul 2021, 10:30

tigerfeat wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 10:17 Hardaker would be a lot better centre than we've had in some time on playing ability it would be a no brainer to have a player of his ability in the team
For them that can't get over what he did to Cas i fully understand that... think most would get behind him tho.. after a while anyway
Ultimately we want our team to win and stay at the top table. Zak would create a divide, we'd lose some fans and maybe gain some. I don't want him back, he still owes us but if he came because Radford thinks he's a good fit, fair enough.

It's all about results, if it wasn't then teams wouldn't cheat, like Wigan and get away with it.

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Post by old cas lass » 28 Jul 2021, 10:52

Let’s be real here.

Our 2021 Center are Shenton and matautia.
Next year it will be ziltch. Matautia is off, Shenton hopefully will do the right thing and retire.
So 2 centres needed. Turner is not the answer.
How many good out and out centres are available out there.
I can’t think of any.

I’m like a few on here, I detested hardaker for what he did to the club.
But, sometime you have to bite the bullet.
If he’s available and radford thinks he can do a job, why not.
He’d also be a back up for evalds if he picks an injury up.

Not sure how true the rumour is or even if Wigan will let him go.
It’ll all come out in the wash eventually.

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Post by Fumper27 » 28 Jul 2021, 10:59

Jake Mamo will be one centre

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Post by old cas lass » 28 Jul 2021, 11:28

Fumper27 wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 10:59 Jake Mamo will be one centre
Aye, forgot about him.

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Post by The Firm » 28 Jul 2021, 11:41

Alex Sutcliffe is also heavily linked with us. Played most of his rugby at centre.

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Post by Dennis Vazquez » 28 Jul 2021, 12:00

The Firm wrote: 28 Jul 2021, 11:41 Alex Sutcliffe is also heavily linked with us. Played most of his rugby at centre.
Apparently he is being brought in to play back row.

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