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Re: McMeekan

Post by Mysterio » 30 May 2020, 16:43

stevieblunder wrote: 30 May 2020, 13:25 McMeeken has a value, as do all players.

He'll go to the highest bidder.

Few players have a club loyalty.
Times have changed from when players were 'One club men'.

Powell knows what time of day it is.
He's not irreplaceable and probably has little club loyalty.
Some players will play for Cas for less.
I suspect he's not one of them.
I agree.

Mike will either stay as he thinks chances of success development and settled happiness and mental well-being are worth more to him than an extra 20-40k per year.

And he's within his right to choose either way.
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Re: McMeekan

Post by Andrew6666 » 31 May 2020, 00:15

Isn't his brother employed by NZ Warriors, wasn't it always the long term plan that he went there - sure I read this on a thread on here at some point.

We have many good second rowers, not a position I worry about losing anyone from.

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Post by nottinghamtiger » 31 May 2020, 00:40

Andrew6666 wrote: 31 May 2020, 00:15 Isn't his brother employed by NZ Warriors, wasn't it always the long term plan that he went there - sure I read this on a thread on here at some point.

We have many good second rowers, not a position I worry about losing anyone from.
He’s involved in developing the youth progression routes for NZ players, but isn’t linked to the Warriors. Think his job is about monitoring and keeping in touch with young NZ players as they progress through the ranks in NZ and Australia, presumably hoping that they will choose NZ over Australia (and now Tonga/Samoa etc).
No NRL team is going to sign Mike McMeeken just because his brother has a low-level role in NZRL.

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Post by tigerfeat » 31 May 2020, 07:39

I disagree Mike wouldn't have a chance in the NRL anybody who watched Williams for Canberra yesterday saw a lad that had improved 100% for playing with the best players around him
Given how well the English imports are doing in the NRL wouldn't surprise me at all if a club took a chance on him
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Post by bane73 » 31 May 2020, 10:34

tigerfeat wrote: 31 May 2020, 07:39 I disagree Mike wouldn't have a chance in the NRL anybody who watched Williams for Canberra yesterday saw a lad that had improved 100% for playing with the best players around him
Given how well the English imports are doing in the NRL wouldn't surprise me at all if a club took a chance on him
More have failed than succeeded, and, I feel mcmeekin would be one than failed. If he wants away...bye bye I won't stop you.
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Post by Andrew6666 » 31 May 2020, 16:02

nottinghamtiger wrote: 31 May 2020, 00:40
Andrew6666 wrote: 31 May 2020, 00:15 Isn't his brother employed by NZ Warriors, wasn't it always the long term plan that he went there - sure I read this on a thread on here at some point.

We have many good second rowers, not a position I worry about losing anyone from.
He’s involved in developing the youth progression routes for NZ players, but isn’t linked to the Warriors. Think his job is about monitoring and keeping in touch with young NZ players as they progress through the ranks in NZ and Australia, presumably hoping that they will choose NZ over Australia (and now Tonga/Samoa etc).
No NRL team is going to sign Mike McMeeken just because his brother has a low-level role in NZRL.
Right, I see.

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Post by Mysterio » 01 Jun 2020, 12:30

He may well be grounded at Cas next year and beyond due to clubs not being able to throw money about in the figures he’s talking.

Ie. We will likely match his offers, any skullduggery by agents won’t be tolerated.
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Post by nottinghamtiger » 01 Jun 2020, 14:09

Mysterio wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 12:30 He may well be grounded at Cas next year and beyond due to clubs not being able to throw money about in the figures he’s talking.

Ie. We will likely match his offers, any skullduggery by agents won’t be tolerated.
He may well be without a club, or have to accept a significant pay cut.

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Post by Oldcasman » 01 Jun 2020, 14:28

Not fussed if he left, his form since 2017 has been poor So I don’t think he will be missed

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Post by Nobody » 01 Jun 2020, 14:52

He's a good player but a lot of the time looks disinterested.
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Post by Sharlotiger » 01 Jun 2020, 16:39

Nobody wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 14:52 He's a good player but a lot of the time looks disinterested.
I'm sure Mike will look a different player with Wire next season.

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Post by nottinghamtiger » 01 Jun 2020, 17:17

Sharlotiger wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 16:39
Nobody wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 14:52 He's a good player but a lot of the time looks disinterested.
I'm sure Mike will look a different player with Wire next season.
There are VERY few players who leave Daryl Powell and improve under a different coach.

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Post by tigerfeat » 01 Jun 2020, 17:25

Look I don't think Mike as done as well as he could in the last two years ,but I don't get people saying he's a poor player
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Post by Mysterio » 01 Jun 2020, 17:50

nottinghamtiger wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 14:09
Mysterio wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 12:30 He may well be grounded at Cas next year and beyond due to clubs not being able to throw money about in the figures he’s talking.

Ie. We will likely match his offers, any skullduggery by agents won’t be tolerated.
He may well be without a club, or have to accept a significant pay cut.
No chance will he be without a club.
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Post by nottinghamtiger » 01 Jun 2020, 17:55

Mysterio wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 17:50
nottinghamtiger wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 14:09
Mysterio wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 12:30 He may well be grounded at Cas next year and beyond due to clubs not being able to throw money about in the figures he’s talking.

Ie. We will likely match his offers, any skullduggery by agents won’t be tolerated.
He may well be without a club, or have to accept a significant pay cut.
No chance will he be without a club.
You’d say that about Gigot, but look what happened to him. Demanded too much money from everyone, and in the end nobody was willing to pay it and signed other players.
Now we’re facing a challenging and uncertain future. Clubs can’t reduce existing contracts, but they can certainly save some cash by not signing new players who are asking big money.

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Post by tigerfeat » 01 Jun 2020, 18:00

How does anybody know what players are asking especially in these uncertain times ??
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Post by nottinghamtiger » 01 Jun 2020, 18:12

tigerfeat wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 18:00 How does anybody know what players are asking especially in these uncertain times ??
It think it’s a fair assumption that they are not asking for less than their current salary, especially in their mid-20s.

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Re: McMeekan

Post by mdean » 01 Jun 2020, 18:15

I don't know him or claim any inside knowledge but in 2017 he was crashing into gaps and everything was glorious.
I think since then people adjusted playing against us and there is a lot more graft in defence and trucking the ball up.

I know which I would find sexier and have more enthusiasm for!

I have said on other threads before, if he wants away, I think that is OK, thanks for the service and the memories, no hard feelings.

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Re: McMeekan

Post by orrsome » 01 Jun 2020, 21:15

Mike was a much better player in 2017 when linking with Jake Webster on our right hand side, and to a lesser extent with Ben Roberts, a combination which suited him perfectly.
Since then he seems to have lost form and gradually confidence appears to have deserted him, maybe because we have chopped and changed personnel on our RHS, but maybe also because other clubs were showing interest?
IMO Mike still has lots of ability and could once again get back into the England squad, but has become greatly under utilised for us and if he hasn't already been tempted away by a 'bigger' club, we really need to work on his combinations with Peanut and our half backs to bring the best out of him.

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Post by nottinghamtiger » 01 Jun 2020, 21:53

orrsome wrote: 01 Jun 2020, 21:15 Mike was a much better player in 2017 when linking with Jake Webster on our right hand side, and to a lesser extent with Ben Roberts, a combination which suited him perfectly.
Since then he seems to have lost form and gradually confidence appears to have deserted him, maybe because we have chopped and changed personnel on our RHS, but maybe also because other clubs were showing interest?
IMO Mike still has lots of ability and could once again get back into the England squad, but has become greatly under utilised for us and if he hasn't already been tempted away by a 'bigger' club, we really need to work on his combinations with Peanut and our half backs to bring the best out of him.
In fairness, every player was better in 2017 than they have been over the last couple of seasons.
But McMeeken was at an age where he should have kicked on, not regressed.
We are three years on and many of that 2017 team have gone or become squad players. Just because McMeeken was good that year, it doesn’t mean we should keep him forever.
We have a new team now. In the back line, only Shenton remains a first-team regular. In the forwards, Watts has out-performed all of the players who were here in 2017, and we’re likely to lose Moors (and possibly Millington and JSL) at the end of 2020.
We perhaps need to realise that McMeeken will never hit the heights he did in 2017 again, just like almost every other player from that year. In the words of Boris, it’s time to move on.

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