Junior moors.

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Re: Junior moors.

Post by betts21 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:29 pm

fords wrote:
betts21 wrote:
Mucky1978 wrote:Anyone heard Moors looks like he’s going have to retire?
His Twitter has been rather cryptic hasn't it.
That 1 tweet that could mean absolutely anything you mean
Yeah that cryptic type of tweet.

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Re: Junior moors.

Post by Tigerade » Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:38 pm

I’ve heard we have tried to pay JM off but he has refused our offer and would rather take his wage whilst sat in the stands for his final year.☹️☹️☹️

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Re: Junior moors.

Post by Mysterio » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:37 pm

Hope both him and the club do the right thing
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Re: Junior moors.

Post by betts21 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:26 pm

Horrible thing to suggest but if this is the case you would think cas would look at the scenario where a players contract could be torn up if they miss so long through injury if this still exists.
I'm amazed junior still wants to play tbf I'd have looked to retire from it not got long left playing and surley you look at life after rugby as you don't want that type of injury to run that.

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Re: Junior moors.

Post by tigerfeat » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:36 pm

Don't know the ins and outs of it I heard they were trying to pay him off end of last season
Hope if he can't play again some agreement will be reached
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Re: Junior moors.

Post by castigers2010 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:41 pm

betts21 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:26 pm
Horrible thing to suggest but if this is the case you would think cas would look at the scenario where a players contract could be torn up if they miss so long through injury if this still exists.
I'm amazed junior still wants to play tbf I'd have looked to retire from it not got long left playing and surley you look at life after rugby as you don't want that type of injury to run that.
That's the spirit - Junior you got injured while playing for us but because you have missed nearly six months of rugby we're tearing up your contract.

If i was JM, i would hold out for every penny i could get, which would be basically the remaining year of the contract.

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Re: Junior moors.

Post by Mysterio » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:01 pm

castigers2010 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:41 pm
betts21 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:26 pm
Horrible thing to suggest but if this is the case you would think cas would look at the scenario where a players contract could be torn up if they miss so long through injury if this still exists.
I'm amazed junior still wants to play tbf I'd have looked to retire from it not got long left playing and surley you look at life after rugby as you don't want that type of injury to run that.
That's the spirit - Junior you got injured while playing for us but because you have missed nearly six months of rugby we're tearing up your contract.

If i was JM, i would hold out for every penny i could get, which would be basically the remaining year of the contract.
Or you'd surely seek a slightly brighter Golden Handshake with the immediate option of finding a club in C1 or 2, or leagues back home.
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Re: Junior moors.

Post by castigers2010 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:18 pm

Mysterio wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:01 pm
castigers2010 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:41 pm
betts21 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 3:26 pm
Horrible thing to suggest but if this is the case you would think cas would look at the scenario where a players contract could be torn up if they miss so long through injury if this still exists.
I'm amazed junior still wants to play tbf I'd have looked to retire from it not got long left playing and surley you look at life after rugby as you don't want that type of injury to run that.
That's the spirit - Junior you got injured while playing for us but because you have missed nearly six months of rugby we're tearing up your contract.

If i was JM, i would hold out for every penny i could get, which would be basically the remaining year of the contract.
Or you'd surely seek a slightly brighter Golden Handshake with the immediate option of finding a club in C1 or 2, or leagues back home.
Surely if he went to a C1 or 2 club then he would have to be fit to play, and if's fit to play then surely he would be in the 17 at Cas.

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Re: Junior moors.

Post by nottinghamtiger » Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:25 pm

We can’t have it both ways.
Everyone was quite rightly up in arms when Denny Solomona walked away from his contract.
The club can’t (and shouldn’t) just expect players to walk away from contracts, especially when they are unlikely to get a better deal elsewhere.
Junior has a year left in his contract and is entitled to remain at the club, even if he’s unable to play. The club’s options are to pay out on his contract and apply for dispensation on the 2020 cap based on a career-ending injury, continue to pay him but not register or play him (therefore removing him from the cap and also the non-fed quota), or come to some kind of agreement whereby Cas pay him a proportion of his wage (that will count on the cap) but means he leaves now and opens up a non fed spot.
Of course, it’s all rumour and conjecture. But we need to remember that Junior has a family to support and like many of us, probably can’t afford to just walk away from a well-paid job with nothing else to go to.

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Re: Junior moors.

Post by westyorkylad » Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:08 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:25 pm
We can’t have it both ways.
Everyone was quite rightly up in arms when Denny Solomona walked away from his contract.
The club can’t (and shouldn’t) just expect players to walk away from contracts, especially when they are unlikely to get a better deal elsewhere.
Junior has a year left in his contract and is entitled to remain at the club, even if he’s unable to play. The club’s options are to pay out on his contract and apply for dispensation on the 2020 cap based on a career-ending injury, continue to pay him but not register or play him (therefore removing him from the cap and also the non-fed quota), or come to some kind of agreement whereby Cas pay him a proportion of his wage (that will count on the cap) but means he leaves now and opens up a non fed spot.
Of course, it’s all rumour and conjecture. But we need to remember that Junior has a family to support and like many of us, probably can’t afford to just walk away from a well-paid job with nothing else to go to.
Completely agree with you on this one Notts, its his and his families livelihood at the end of the day.

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Re: Junior moors.

Post by HuddsTigers » Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:50 pm

Absolutely agree. Players should put themselves first and to be honest, I feel the club should stand by players as much as they can. It reflects well on us as a club and gives players confidence that they are respected as humans as well as staff.
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Re: Junior moors.

Post by tigerfeat » Mon Dec 30, 2019 5:04 pm

Still think if he can't play again we should come to a agreement rarther than have him sat in the stand for a season if he can play again no idea why we try to get him out of the club early
Benny Roberts was paid off early to leave even though Gale was crooked and we badly needed him I saw him one day before he left in Yorkshire Bank and asked him what injury he had and he said I don't
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Re: Junior moors.

Post by Flat Capper » Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:09 pm

Does anyone actually know the extent of any potential injury to JM?
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Re: Junior moors.

Post by Mysterio » Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:34 pm

Here you go sir,
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Sounds like he thinks one thing the club another to me?
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Re: Junior moors.

Post by Mysterio » Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:39 pm

I’m no doc but it sounds career ending at his age/size/high impact sport, or at LEAST another 6 - 10 months out with risk to life Impediment IMO

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https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/38/4/e17
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