Olpherts disallowed try.

[Fumper27]

It was lost in a forward direction, it was never regained or kicked, and then it touched the ground. Irrelevant that it was knocked backwards at a later stage, it was initially lost forward and never regained or kicked.
The refs confusion is what the word “regains” means, and it means regains control.
Certainly an interesting one, but what I’m sure of is that it’s nothing to do with referees cheating because they all hate Cas!

This is why we love our game so much. One incident sparks so much debate, where there are so many opinions and thoughts on what should’ve happened.

[Mysterio]

It was just like Farrell going for hardakers kick at end of Wigan/wakey. Wigan try was awarded

[cogito ergo sum]

It was just like Farrell going for hardakers kick at end of Wigan/wakey. Wigan try was awarded

Farrel didn’t propel it forwards, pushed it backwards on his first touch. Jesse propelled it forwards on first touch.

[Nu Shooze]

It was lost in a forward direction, it was never regained or kicked, and then it touched the ground. Irrelevant that it was knocked backwards at a later stage, it was initially lost forward and never regained or kicked.
The refs confusion is what the word “regains” means, and it means regains control.
Certainly an interesting one, but what I’m sure of is that it’s nothing to do with referees cheating because they all hate Cas!

We’ll not be having any of that common sense talk on here, if you don’t mind.

[Mysterio]

It was just like Farrell going for hardakers kick at end of Wigan/wakey. Wigan try was awarded

Farrel didn’t propel it forwards, pushed it backwards on his first touch. Jesse propelled it forwards on first touch.

Makes no difference whatsoever if you are aware of the rules, it didn’t touch a leeds player and Jesse knocked it back just in the same way as farrell did.

[cogito ergo sum]

It was just like Farrell going for hardakers kick at end of Wigan/wakey. Wigan try was awarded

Farrel didn’t propel it forwards, pushed it backwards on his first touch. Jesse propelled it forwards on first touch.

Makes no difference whatsoever if you are aware of the rules, it didn’t touch a leeds player and Jesse knocked it back just in the same way as farrell did.

No he doesn’t, he knocks it forwards on his first touch, which is the touch that counts, and I know that because not only am I aware of the laws, I have passed exams on the laws....

[Fumper27]

It was just like Farrell going for hardakers kick at end of Wigan/wakey. Wigan try was awarded

Farrel didn’t propel it forwards, pushed it backwards on his first touch. Jesse propelled it forwards on first touch.

Makes no difference whatsoever if you are aware of the rules, it didn’t touch a leeds player and Jesse knocked it back just in the same way as farrell did.

No he doesn’t, he knocks it forwards on his first touch, which is the touch that counts, and I know that because not only am I aware of the laws, I have passed exams on the laws....

So, those who know the laws never make mistakes.....

[cogito ergo sum]

We all make mistakes, which is what makes it interesting.
Ref made a mistake sending it up as a try, but fortunately for Leeds, someone who knows the laws got to review it. (Which as a Cas fan, I was hoping the video ref didn’t know the laws either!)

[Mysterio]

It was just like Farrell going for hardakers kick at end of Wigan/wakey. Wigan try was awarded

Farrel didn’t propel it forwards, pushed it backwards on his first touch. Jesse propelled it forwards on first touch.

Makes no difference whatsoever if you are aware of the rules, it didn’t touch a leeds player and Jesse knocked it back just in the same way as farrell did.

No he doesn’t, he knocks it forwards on his first touch, which is the touch that counts, and I know that because not only am I aware of the laws, I have passed exams on the laws....

Lord give me strength.
Ok chap. ](*,)

It’s only a knock on if it hits a leeds player. Jesse clearly juggled it finally backwards in his touches which is why the ref and the tj gave it.

[tigerfeat]

We all make mistakes, which is what makes it interesting.
Ref made a mistake sending it up as a try, but fortunately for Leeds, someone who knows the laws got to review it. (Which as a Cas fan, I was hoping the video ref didn’t know the laws either!)

You can't say Liam Moore didn't know the law he had one quick look at it in real time and thought it went backwards

[cogito ergo sum]

It’s a knock on because the first touch was forward and control was never regained before it touched the ground. Banging your head won’t change the laws.

[Get into em]

It was lost in a forward direction, it was never regained or kicked, and then it touched the ground. Irrelevant that it was knocked backwards at a later stage, it was initially lost forward and never regained or kicked.
The refs confusion is what the word “regains” means, and it means regains control.
Certainly an interesting one, but what I’m sure of is that it’s nothing to do with referees cheating because they all hate Cas!

Correct decision of no try, I said whilst watching the game live and when the referee initially awarded a try, that it was definitely a clear knock on and that the video referee would overturn it.

I also don't buy into this rubbish that refs are biased against sides and would their for deliberately disallow tries etc just because they had an alleged agenda against sides.

Perhaps the majority of fans watch their respective clubs with their own clubs self interest at heart and let their hearts rule their heads on all of the contentious decisions made by the referee without actually knowing the rules of the game themselves?

[old cas lass]

It’s a knock on because the first touch was forward and control was never regained before it touched the ground. Banging your head won’t change the laws.

Seems a stupid rule tbh.
A juggle without the ball touching the ground, not a infringement of the laws.
A ball passed backward not forwards, also not an infringement of the laws.

So all in all no infringement took place.
Help.

[TT Tiger]

Was the push back not “controlled”? If he made an attempt to push the ball back and it did indeed go be surely he regain “control” as he was able to affect the direction of the ball. Summarily when a try is scored with “controlled” downward pressure and try’s are awarded with finger nails being scarped down the side of the ball. However the reason it’s not a try is because it wasn’t awarded. That’s the long and short. All the rules are open to interpretation.

[TheSheriff]

Only reason it wasn't given is because Thaler is a Cas hating Wakey fan.

It never touches a Leeds player and JSL knocks the ball backwards to Olpherts, ref shouldn't have gone to the screen when he cleared it because he was correct.

[old cas lass]

Was the push back not “controlled”? If he made an attempt to push the ball back and it did indeed go be surely he regain “control” as he was able to affect the direction of the ball. Summarily when a try is scored with “controlled” downward pressure and try’s are awarded with finger nails being scarped down the side of the ball. However the reason it’s not a try is because it wasn’t awarded. That’s the long and short. All the rules are open to interpretation.

Jesse flicked the ball backwards.
Same as an up and under kick. attacking players jump up and flick the ball backwards, sometimes it goes anywhere, sometime it goes into a team mates hands. Most of the time it’s not always controlled, but it does go backwards so play on.
Still confused.

[nottinghamtiger]

If he catches the ball rather than dropping it cold, it’s not a knock on.
Perhaps we are focusing on a borderline referee decision rather than acknowledging our player made a basic error?

[cogito ergo sum]

Was the push back not “controlled”? If he made an attempt to push the ball back and it did indeed go be surely he regain “control” as he was able to affect the direction of the ball. Summarily when a try is scored with “controlled” downward pressure and try’s are awarded with finger nails being scarped down the side of the ball. However the reason it’s not a try is because it wasn’t awarded. That’s the long and short. All the rules are open to interpretation.

Jesse flicked the ball backwards.
Same as an up and under kick. attacking players jump up and flick the ball backwards, sometimes it goes anywhere, sometime it goes into a team mates hands. Most of the time it’s not always controlled, but it does go backwards so play on.
Still confused.

The whole point is that the first touch was forwards......after that the only way it is not a knock on is if he regains control or kicks it before it touches the ground. If his flick back had been caught by Olpherts rather than picked off the ground it’s play on, but it touched the ground, so knock on because of first touch......

[old cas lass]

Was the push back not “controlled”? If he made an attempt to push the ball back and it did indeed go be surely he regain “control” as he was able to affect the direction of the ball. Summarily when a try is scored with “controlled” downward pressure and try’s are awarded with finger nails being scarped down the side of the ball. However the reason it’s not a try is because it wasn’t awarded. That’s the long and short. All the rules are open to interpretation.

Jesse flicked the ball backwards.
Same as an up and under kick. attacking players jump up and flick the ball backwards, sometimes it goes anywhere, sometime it goes into a team mates hands. Most of the time it’s not always controlled, but it does go backwards so play on.
Still confused.

The whole point is that the first touch was forwards......after that the only way it is not a knock on is if he regains control or kicks it before it touches the ground. If his flick back had been caught by Olpherts rather than picked off the ground it’s play on, but it touched the ground, so knock on because of first touch......

I’m not try to be argumentative at all....but.
You said the first touch went forward, yes I accept that, but it didn’t go forward to another player, it was the same player who had the second touch. Since when as that been a forward pass to yourself.

As I see it from your explanation , though the ball didn’t go forward to another player or there was no knock on.
The bit were the ball touched the floor was the indiscretion.
If that’s the case then imo it’s a silly law.
Just Ben Thaler who knew the rules.

[Mysterio]

Corgi thinks as he's refereed the game he's right I think

It was never a knock on.

What do the rules say