Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by MrRugby123 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:26 pm

westerbeast73 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:58 pm
What's your thoughts on Evalds deal if it's only 1 Year as reported before.
Reported from who? Dave from the glass blower said it and people believed it. Niall will have signed a multi year deal at cas but due to finances and uncertainty in the tv deal cas are playing safe and only handing out one year deals. On the other hand cas have made a gentleman’s agreement so that Niall and other players do sign for us for 2022 and beyond.

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by Fumper27 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:39 pm

MrRugby123 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:26 pm

Reported from who?
Reported by the club when they announced the deal.
MrRugby123 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:26 pm
Niall will have signed a multi year deal at cas
If true, this should’ve been announced as it’ll show on the cap. A multi year contract is averaged out over the length of the contract, so clubs don’t sign players cheap for a few years then release them when the cost goes up (think Fielden and his move to Wigan in 2006).
MrRugby123 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:26 pm
Cas have made a gentleman’s agreement so that Niall and other players do sign for us for 2022 and beyond.
Is this fact?

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by nottinghamtiger » Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:16 pm

Fumper27 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:39 pm
MrRugby123 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:26 pm

Reported from who?
Reported by the club when they announced the deal.
MrRugby123 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:26 pm
Niall will have signed a multi year deal at cas
If true, this should’ve been announced as it’ll show on the cap. A multi year contract is averaged out over the length of the contract, so clubs don’t sign players cheap for a few years then release them when the cost goes up (think Fielden and his move to Wigan in 2006).
MrRugby123 wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:26 pm
Cas have made a gentleman’s agreement so that Niall and other players do sign for us for 2022 and beyond.
Is this fact?
My understanding is that this is salary-cap related.
If he signs a one-year deal, that is all that count in the cap for 2021 regardless of whether he signs a new contract for 2022 and possibly beyond. By giving him a 12 month contract, Cas can increase his wage in 2022 but not have that weighted towards the cap for 2021.
What I don’t really get is why we need to do that, given the players who have left this year. You’d think that having lost higher earners such as Moors and McMeeken, we shouldn’t need to fudge the cap in such a way.
Comments from Jon Wells and Powell suggested they agreement is for more than a single season.
But it’s not good for quelling rumours of him going to St Helens/Huddersfield/NRL etc. It pretty much starts rumours as soon as the season starts.

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by old cas lass » Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:23 pm

It only takes us to have a lousy year 2021.
Evalds may think why am I bothering here at cas when I’m oni on a one year deal and I could walk into a too 4 team.
Wouldn’t take much to turn his head.

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by Get into em » Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:19 pm

westerbeast73 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:34 pm
So Sky bet have Cas joint 4th to win the Grand final with plenty of other teams at 12/1. Hope we can have a season free from injuries this Year to be honest. If the starting 17 stay fit we can beat any team on the day.
Saints,Wigan & Warrington should be top 3 in the 2021 regular season's finishing positions.

We are joint 4th with 4 other sides
Catalans
Giants
Hull FC
Rhinos

So if the bookies are correct then we will finish between 4th and 8th but above
Hull KR
Salford
Trinity and
Leigh

IMO Dragons,Giants,Hull FC and Rhinos will all finish above us (although not in that particular order)

Hope i'm wrong though,but 2021 is certainly a big season for us and if the full season is played out to the full and uninterrupted then it will show us where we are as a club.

Realistically speaking, where is the line in the sand for us in the posters opinions on here as to what finishing position is deemed a successful one?

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by HuddsTigers » Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:34 pm

Am I right in thinking that it is going to be top 6 again next year?
In the spirit of the final Blackadder episode - Goooodbyeee!

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by nottinghamtiger » Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:48 pm

HuddsTigers wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:34 pm
Am I right in thinking that it is going to be top 6 again next year?
Yes, as things stand.
In my view it’s the very definition of rewarding mediocrity when the team that finishes half way down the league is given a shot at winning the competition by playing well for a few games.

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by nottinghamtiger » Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:54 pm

Get into em wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 8:19 pm
westerbeast73 wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 5:34 pm
So Sky bet have Cas joint 4th to win the Grand final with plenty of other teams at 12/1. Hope we can have a season free from injuries this Year to be honest. If the starting 17 stay fit we can beat any team on the day.
Saints,Wigan & Warrington should be top 3 in the 2021 regular season's finishing positions.

We are joint 4th with 4 other sides
Catalans
Giants
Hull FC
Rhinos

So if the bookies are correct then we will finish between 4th and 8th but above
Hull KR
Salford
Trinity and
Leigh

IMO Dragons,Giants,Hull FC and Rhinos will all finish above us (although not in that particular order)

Hope i'm wrong though,but 2021 is certainly a big season for us and if the full season is played out to the full and uninterrupted then it will show us where we are as a club.

Realistically speaking, where is the line in the sand for us in the posters opinions on here as to what finishing position is deemed a successful one?
I think it’s a bit more complex that the final league position. I’d rather win the cup and finish fifth/sixth than finish higher up the table but still win nothing.
I’d be happy with a top 4 finish and a decent dig at making the GF come the play-offs. If we won the cup I’d be happy with 5th or 6th and a decent go at the play-offs.
Anything below 6th is a poor season.

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by nottinghamtiger » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:07 pm

I would confidently predict the league table based in the four players who make up the spine of each team.
1 - Coote/Lomax/Fages/Roby
2 - French/Hastings/Field or Leuluai/Powell.
3 - Ratchford/Widdop/Austin/Clark
4 - Evalds/Trueman/Richardson/McShane
5 - Tomkins/Maloney/Drinkwater/McIllorum
6 - Walker or Myler/Gale/Lui/Leeming
7 - Connor/Sneyd/Reynolds/Houghton
8 - Golding/Sezer/Cogger/O’Brien
9 - Escare/Lolohea/Brown/Ackers
10 - Walker/Miller/Lino/Wood
11 - Quinlan/Abdul/????/Parcell
12 - ????/Brierley/Ellis/Hood.

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by orrsome » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:13 pm

IMO the return to having scrums (or not) will have a big influence on our season, as DP's strategies have previously been largely based around structures from scrums and restarts, but the 'frantic' rugby since the restart of 2020 didnt suit us at all.
If the 6 again and no scrums rules are scrapped I am more optimistic for 2021, with a top 4 finish a real possibility.

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by tigerfeat » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:22 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:07 pm
I would confidently predict the league table based in the four players who make up the spine of each team.
1 - Coote/Lomax/Fages/Roby
2 - French/Hastings/Field or Leuluai/Powell.
3 - Ratchford/Widdop/Austin/Clark
4 - Evalds/Trueman/Richardson/McShane
5 - Tomkins/Maloney/Drinkwater/McIllorum
6 - Walker or Myler/Gale/Lui/Leeming
7 - Connor/Sneyd/Reynolds/Houghton
8 - Golding/Sezer/Cogger/O’Brien
9 - Escare/Lolohea/Brown/Ackers
10 - Walker/Miller/Lino/Wood
11 - Quinlan/Abdul/????/Parcell
12 - ????/Brierley/Ellis/Hood.
That's a interesting table I'd have us above the warrington spine myself two of there four I don't rate much at all
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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by nottinghamtiger » Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:39 pm

tigerfeat wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:22 pm
nottinghamtiger wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:07 pm
I would confidently predict the league table based in the four players who make up the spine of each team.
1 - Coote/Lomax/Fages/Roby
2 - French/Hastings/Field or Leuluai/Powell.
3 - Ratchford/Widdop/Austin/Clark
4 - Evalds/Trueman/Richardson/McShane
5 - Tomkins/Maloney/Drinkwater/McIllorum
6 - Walker or Myler/Gale/Lui/Leeming
7 - Connor/Sneyd/Reynolds/Houghton
8 - Golding/Sezer/Cogger/O’Brien
9 - Escare/Lolohea/Brown/Ackers
10 - Walker/Miller/Lino/Wood
11 - Quinlan/Abdul/????/Parcell
12 - ????/Brierley/Ellis/Hood.
That's a interesting table I'd have us above the warrington spine myself two of there four I don't rate much at all
Strong rumour Widdop is heading back to Australia too, so much might depend on who they recruit to take his place, or if they move Ratchford into the halves and play Ashton (who looked good) at full-back.

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by westerbeast73 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:28 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:39 pm
tigerfeat wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:22 pm
nottinghamtiger wrote:
Mon Dec 28, 2020 9:07 pm
I would confidently predict the league table based in the four players who make up the spine of each team.
1 - Coote/Lomax/Fages/Roby
2 - French/Hastings/Field or Leuluai/Powell.
3 - Ratchford/Widdop/Austin/Clark
4 - Evalds/Trueman/Richardson/McShane
5 - Tomkins/Maloney/Drinkwater/McIllorum
6 - Walker or Myler/Gale/Lui/Leeming
7 - Connor/Sneyd/Reynolds/Houghton
8 - Golding/Sezer/Cogger/O’Brien
9 - Escare/Lolohea/Brown/Ackers
10 - Walker/Miller/Lino/Wood
11 - Quinlan/Abdul/????/Parcell
12 - ????/Brierley/Ellis/Hood.
That's a interesting table I'd have us above the warrington spine myself two of there four I don't rate much at all
Strong rumour Widdop is heading back to Australia too, so much might depend on who they recruit to take his place, or if they move Ratchford into the halves and play Ashton (who looked good) at full-back.
Like you probably know Trueman was supposed to be signing for them. Time will tell on that one, I would prefer O'Brien at 6 anyway to be honest.

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by Fumper27 » Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:33 pm

The only place where the “Trueman to Warrington” rumour has been posted is on here, started by a member whose wrong about most things

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Re: Cas joint 4th to win grand finsl

Post by Nobody » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:50 pm

I'll stick with my prediction of 6th in the table, with a challenge cup final win.
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