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Post by Fumper27 » 26 Nov 2020, 17:04

old cas lass wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 17:03
gateman wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 16:47
jackknife wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 16:03 Now all we need us a conditioning coach to keep them all fit to play
i am with you on that, we can not afford to carry on as we have done over the last couple of years, it can not be all down to bad luck
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Post by barking » 26 Nov 2020, 17:35

on side wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 15:08 Haveing right clean out off rubbish at giants guess which muggs are getting them it's heart breaking need quality to get back to 2017. not other people's cast off which won't improve the team just add numbers to squad
brilliant post , I was missing the "experts" views, and bloody hell we have some real RL "experts".
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Post by LeagueLeaders » 26 Nov 2020, 18:10

Well I said we needed a couple props and a new centre for next year and that's exactly what we've got as well as now having cover all across the field. They've also acknowledged that Blair is 100% a back rower which is great news, he doesn't cut it at centre. Excited for next year. Similar to Matagi, wasn't the best player we could have signed but certainly a good bit of business that will add to the squad.

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Post by True-supporter » 26 Nov 2020, 18:23

When you look at opposition signings we are looking at short term. We need to sign players with something to prove not just seeing out there careers Would Huddersfield sell anybody if they thought they would be worth keeping.

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Post by jackknife » 26 Nov 2020, 18:27

True-supporter wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 18:23 When you look at opposition signings we are looking at short term. We need to sign players with something to prove not just seeing out there careers Would Huddersfield sell anybody if they thought they would be worth keeping.
Different players suit different coaches/teams we've signed players before that was unwanted and they have come good.
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Post by Fumper27 » 26 Nov 2020, 18:31

True-supporter wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 18:23 Would Huddersfield sell anybody if they thought they would be worth keeping.
Depends if the players they’re bringing in are a better fit with the new coaches plans than those he’s letting go.

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Post by HuddsTigers » 26 Nov 2020, 19:08

Decent signing and another experienced SL player into the mix in a key position.

So much so for Bienek and Championship player coming in. Just shows not to jump the gun.

Regarding salary cap, they will still both count in full on our cap. We just won't pay all of the money. Hudds paying doesn't reduce cap space, only how much is coming from us.
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Post by scottiger » 26 Nov 2020, 19:15

HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:08 Decent signing and another experienced SL player into the mix in a key position.

So much so for Bienek and Championship player coming in. Just shows not to jump the gun.

Regarding salary cap, they will still both count in full on our cap. We just won't pay all of the money. Hudds paying doesn't reduce cap space, only how much is coming from us.
That's what I thought too. But other people seem to think only the part we are paying goes on our cap . Not sure who's correct tbh.
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Post by Fumper27 » 26 Nov 2020, 19:27

HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:08 Decent signing and another experienced SL player into the mix in a key position.

So much so for Bienek and Championship player coming in. Just shows not to jump the gun.
To be fair Hudds, the majority of those saying such were the usual bunch of naysayers and forum trolls.

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Post by CasRus » 26 Nov 2020, 19:32

Nice to see a lot of movement with decent signings and looks exciting for 2021 for us Cas fans !

Just on these 2 latest signings from the Giants, who are they getting in to replace them or have they already announced new signings and are making room by offloading these players to Cas and are they/will they be considered better players than what they have now lost ???

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Post by Mucky1978 » 26 Nov 2020, 19:41

Few signings announced few departs announced this weekend Mcmeeken and ......

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Post by Fumper27 » 26 Nov 2020, 19:47

Mucky1978 wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:41 Few signings announced few departs announced this weekend Mcmeeken and ......
Few departs??? Any names apart from Mcmeekan?

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Post by barking » 26 Nov 2020, 19:53

True-supporter wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 18:23 When you look at opposition signings we are looking at short term. We need to sign players with something to prove not just seeing out there careers Would Huddersfield sell anybody if they thought they would be worth keeping.
Short term???? If Hudds are paying most of their wages for one year why splash out and offer a long term contract till we see if they fit darnt lane. I think its clever business by Wells, maybe thats whats upsetting a few considering the flak he has had.
We will know more about them this time next year and with others coming to the end of careers we will have wages freed up to give the new lads a decent contract.

well done Jon Wells I say

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Post by derbystiger » 26 Nov 2020, 19:59

Well, for what it’s worth, I can’t fault the recruitment. Turner completes what we needed and gives us a balanced squad - proper fullback, halfback/fullback cover, centre cover, size in the front row and a couple of young lads to keep an eye on coming through. Well done I reckon and, if true about Hudds paying a percentage of the wages, good business.

Now just the minor challenge of getting/keeping them all fit and on the field

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Post by HuddsTigers » 26 Nov 2020, 20:57

scottiger wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:15
HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:08 Decent signing and another experienced SL player into the mix in a key position.

So much so for Bienek and Championship player coming in. Just shows not to jump the gun.

Regarding salary cap, they will still both count in full on our cap. We just won't pay all of the money. Hudds paying doesn't reduce cap space, only how much is coming from us.
That's what I thought too. But other people seem to think only the part we are paying goes on our cap . Not sure who's correct tbh.
Nope, full salary for both. Clause 5.8A(ii) of the salary cap regulations stipulates that where a player is loaned between two clubs, the loanee club takes on the full salary cap value of that of his original club, save for where the loanee club chooses to exercise the marquee player allowance.

It then goes on to say in the paragraph following that any deal struck between the clubs relating to payment of wages in part or in full has no bearing on the above.

In respect of Turner, he is a permanent signing for us so we take on whatever cap value it is now. Hudds choosing to pay him off / top up his wages for the remainder of his contract has no bearing on the cap unfortunately.
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Post by The Firm » 27 Nov 2020, 03:00

HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 20:57
scottiger wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:15
HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:08 Decent signing and another experienced SL player into the mix in a key position.

So much so for Bienek and Championship player coming in. Just shows not to jump the gun.

Regarding salary cap, they will still both count in full on our cap. We just won't pay all of the money. Hudds paying doesn't reduce cap space, only how much is coming from us.
That's what I thought too. But other people seem to think only the part we are paying goes on our cap . Not sure who's correct tbh.
Nope, full salary for both. Clause 5.8A(ii) of the salary cap regulations stipulates that where a player is loaned between two clubs, the loanee club takes on the full salary cap value of that of his original club, save for where the loanee club chooses to exercise the marquee player allowance.

It then goes on to say in the paragraph following that any deal struck between the clubs relating to payment of wages in part or in full has no bearing on the above.

In respect of Turner, he is a permanent signing for us so we take on whatever cap value it is now. Hudds choosing to pay him off / top up his wages for the remainder of his contract has no bearing on the cap unfortunately.
Incorrect, the above counts for loans only. Regarding permanent moves then it depends in the structure of the deal but in these deals on nearly all occasions the players current deal is ended by the selling club, usually for a pay off. This pay off counts against the seasons cap it takes place in, so in this case 2020 as it’s before the 1st of December. There is no requirement for this to be paid as a lump sum to the player, it can be staggered payments over the year but it will all count against Huddersfields 2020 cap. Cas then pay the remainder of the agreed deal as a lower cap value salary for the following 2021 season.

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Post by scottiger » 27 Nov 2020, 06:41

The Firm wrote: 27 Nov 2020, 03:00
HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 20:57
scottiger wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:15
HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:08 Decent signing and another experienced SL player into the mix in a key position.

So much so for Bienek and Championship player coming in. Just shows not to jump the gun.

Regarding salary cap, they will still both count in full on our cap. We just won't pay all of the money. Hudds paying doesn't reduce cap space, only how much is coming from us.
That's what I thought too. But other people seem to think only the part we are paying goes on our cap . Not sure who's correct tbh.
Nope, full salary for both. Clause 5.8A(ii) of the salary cap regulations stipulates that where a player is loaned between two clubs, the loanee club takes on the full salary cap value of that of his original club, save for where the loanee club chooses to exercise the marquee player allowance.

It then goes on to say in the paragraph following that any deal struck between the clubs relating to payment of wages in part or in full has no bearing on the above.

In respect of Turner, he is a permanent signing for us so we take on whatever cap value it is now. Hudds choosing to pay him off / top up his wages for the remainder of his contract has no bearing on the cap unfortunately.
Incorrect, the above counts for loans only. Regarding permanent moves then it depends in the structure of the deal but in these deals on nearly all occasions the players current deal is ended by the selling club, usually for a pay off. This pay off counts against the seasons cap it takes place in, so in this case 2020 as it’s before the 1st of December. There is no requirement for this to be paid as a lump sum to the player, it can be staggered payments over the year but it will all count against Huddersfields 2020 cap. Cas then pay the remainder of the agreed deal as a lower cap value salary for the following 2021 season.
i suppose that's possible. Hudds possibly taking advantage on the pandemic to get Some cap space for next year. Unless they already had 100k free this year .
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Post by HuddsTigers » 27 Nov 2020, 07:40

The Firm wrote: 27 Nov 2020, 03:00
HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 20:57
scottiger wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:15
HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:08 Decent signing and another experienced SL player into the mix in a key position.

So much so for Bienek and Championship player coming in. Just shows not to jump the gun.

Regarding salary cap, they will still both count in full on our cap. We just won't pay all of the money. Hudds paying doesn't reduce cap space, only how much is coming from us.
That's what I thought too. But other people seem to think only the part we are paying goes on our cap . Not sure who's correct tbh.
Nope, full salary for both. Clause 5.8A(ii) of the salary cap regulations stipulates that where a player is loaned between two clubs, the loanee club takes on the full salary cap value of that of his original club, save for where the loanee club chooses to exercise the marquee player allowance.

It then goes on to say in the paragraph following that any deal struck between the clubs relating to payment of wages in part or in full has no bearing on the above.

In respect of Turner, he is a permanent signing for us so we take on whatever cap value it is now. Hudds choosing to pay him off / top up his wages for the remainder of his contract has no bearing on the cap unfortunately.
Incorrect, the above counts for loans only. Regarding permanent moves then it depends in the structure of the deal but in these deals on nearly all occasions the players current deal is ended by the selling club, usually for a pay off. This pay off counts against the seasons cap it takes place in, so in this case 2020 as it’s before the 1st of December. There is no requirement for this to be paid as a lump sum to the player, it can be staggered payments over the year but it will all count against Huddersfields 2020 cap. Cas then pay the remainder of the agreed deal as a lower cap value salary for the following 2021 season.
You have reaffirmed what I just said to an extent though the cap amount is 100% us. Huddersfield's payments have no bearing on the salary cap and is entirely dependent on what we have agreed with Turner in his 1 year deal. I can't see him dropping his salary that much, if at all, and may not have had to agree a pay off with Hudds if we have just taken on his contract and he isn't losing out. Only would affect us in terms of our deal with Hudds and how much they would stump up to us to take him. If he was on £75k before and we have said we will take on that but with Hudds paying £15k to us/the player over the next 12 months for it, then he will still be £75k on the cap for us since that is what is in his contract.

It would only change if we agreed a new contract on a lower salary, with it still counting 100% on our salary cap. The rules also stipulate that where it is significantly less (doesn't say how this is defined) then the RFL can intervene and apply a higher cap value.

Either way the full cap is applied to us regardless of what is being paid.
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Post by The Firm » 27 Nov 2020, 09:45

HuddsTigers wrote: 27 Nov 2020, 07:40
The Firm wrote: 27 Nov 2020, 03:00
HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 20:57
scottiger wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:15
HuddsTigers wrote: 26 Nov 2020, 19:08 Decent signing and another experienced SL player into the mix in a key position.

So much so for Bienek and Championship player coming in. Just shows not to jump the gun.

Regarding salary cap, they will still both count in full on our cap. We just won't pay all of the money. Hudds paying doesn't reduce cap space, only how much is coming from us.
That's what I thought too. But other people seem to think only the part we are paying goes on our cap . Not sure who's correct tbh.
Nope, full salary for both. Clause 5.8A(ii) of the salary cap regulations stipulates that where a player is loaned between two clubs, the loanee club takes on the full salary cap value of that of his original club, save for where the loanee club chooses to exercise the marquee player allowance.

It then goes on to say in the paragraph following that any deal struck between the clubs relating to payment of wages in part or in full has no bearing on the above.

In respect of Turner, he is a permanent signing for us so we take on whatever cap value it is now. Hudds choosing to pay him off / top up his wages for the remainder of his contract has no bearing on the cap unfortunately.
Incorrect, the above counts for loans only. Regarding permanent moves then it depends in the structure of the deal but in these deals on nearly all occasions the players current deal is ended by the selling club, usually for a pay off. This pay off counts against the seasons cap it takes place in, so in this case 2020 as it’s before the 1st of December. There is no requirement for this to be paid as a lump sum to the player, it can be staggered payments over the year but it will all count against Huddersfields 2020 cap. Cas then pay the remainder of the agreed deal as a lower cap value salary for the following 2021 season.
You have reaffirmed what I just said to an extent though the cap amount is 100% us. Huddersfield's payments have no bearing on the salary cap and is entirely dependent on what we have agreed with Turner in his 1 year deal. I can't see him dropping his salary that much, if at all, and may not have had to agree a pay off with Hudds if we have just taken on his contract and he isn't losing out. Only would affect us in terms of our deal with Hudds and how much they would stump up to us to take him. If he was on £75k before and we have said we will take on that but with Hudds paying £15k to us/the player over the next 12 months for it, then he will still be £75k on the cap for us since that is what is in his contract.

It would only change if we agreed a new contract on a lower salary, with it still counting 100% on our salary cap. The rules also stipulate that where it is significantly less (doesn't say how this is defined) then the RFL can intervene and apply a higher cap value.

Either way the full cap is applied to us regardless of what is being paid.
Sorry but it isn’t and once again you are wrong. Whatever percentage Huddersfield are paying him counts on their cap, NOT OURS. If they have space it will likely be written off on this years cap, if not it will go on next years payroll but will never count on the salary cap as he won’t appear for them. What you are referring to only accounts for loans not permanent moves. He has a new deal with us, to use your example if we are paying him 60K then thats what his cap value is. Huddersfield would be paying him the extra 15k directly, not via us.

Matagi’s wage is 100% our liability though cap wise as he is on loan. Two totally different scenarios.

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Post by Flat Capper » 27 Nov 2020, 13:14

It's like watching the old Crown Court tv series! :D

Anyway, does anyone actually know what's being announced?
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