3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by Tamworth Tiger » Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:12 pm

Totally agree with OCL’s history lesson.
For me the biggest problem over the last three years was the disintegration of our spine almost immediately after the GF. It wasn’t just Hardaker, Gale and Roberts hardly ever played together again.
Even Macca lost his Mojo for a bit, having to take too much on.
Sort the spine out for next season and we will start the climb back to the elite
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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by SuffolkTiger » Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:56 pm

Tamworth Tiger wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:12 pm
Totally agree with OCL’s history lesson.
For me the biggest problem over the last three years was the disintegration of our spine almost immediately after the GF. It wasn’t just Hardaker, Gale and Roberts hardly ever played together again.
Even Macca lost his Mojo for a bit, having to take too much on.
Sort the spine out for next season and we will start the climb back to the elite
Fully agree TT. I also think the total loss of confidence caused by the trauma of the tawdry ZH affair was a major issue. It prevented a dream becoming reality. I'm not sure the hurt that DP experienced during that time will ever fully leave him - especially while he is still coaching.

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by classycas57 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:51 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:51 am
1. Poor retention.
2. Poor recruitment.
3. Poor conditioning and treatment of injuries.
I agree

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by CasG » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:31 am

1. Poor owners with little money
2. Poor signings
3. Poorly run, unprofessional club

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by Tamworth Tiger » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:26 am

This feels like ‘what did the Romans ever do for us?’ In reverse!
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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by tigerfeat » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:39 am

Start of 2017 we had Luke Gale Benny Roberts Rangi and Tom Holmes as half back options just a example of how the squad as deterioted in a short space of time
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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by HuddsTigers » Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:24 am

The DP pre match press conference two days ago is worth a listen where he says fans need to give a little bit of latency for the players this year and shouldn't be worried about the future.

It is a shame he has to come out with these statements given we have some very reactionary and OTT fans at times. The DP out stuff has been particularly frustrating.

Regarding what has changed over the last 3 years, not much.

We over achieved in 2017. All the stars aligned and other teams fell off the ladder. Every team goes through these periods. However, on paper at the start we weren't a top of the table side. We were top 4 contenders. Under Powell we have gone from top 4 outsiders and that has changed to being top 4 regulars. This season has been the worst we have had in a long while and there are so many extenuating reasons, in my mind it is worth writing off.

Travelling across the Pennines for most games, no fans, one game on our own patch since lockdown, short turnarounds, no pre season as sorts after 5 months off, inability to train together during the 5 months of lockdown and now positive Covid cases. We also lost our first choice full back who knew all the plays and had trained for months with our half backs.

Same for every team but as always, the teams that generally are most able to handle this are the ones where players stay fit and are able to rest and rotate. Hull have 12 missing, Wakefield are down to their last 17 too. We could go across SL and find injuries across all clubs and that will get worse over the next 6 weeks as games are played every 3 or 4 days.

So it comes down to this:
- Consistency and form: when the team plays well, we usually win, particularly when our key players perform

- A settled side: we haven't had a settled side, changing our spine and backs weekly and not being able to put out our best side. A lot of which has come from onfield foul play unpunished.

- Luck: It is a huge part. Bounce of the ball, a refereeing call, a ball that doesn't stick. A lot comes down to luck and a lot has gone against us this year.

I guess the message from this season is worry about the wellbeing of the players, get through the season and write it off as a bad job and get prepped for a big 2021.
In the spirit of the final Blackadder episode - Goooodbyeee!

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by tigerfeat » Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:46 am

Totally disagree I looked at our squad after the boxing day friendly and thought we would win the grand final and invested a fair share of the kids inheritance on us doing that...


DP had been building the squad up to where we stood at the start of 2017 bringing Zak in looked at the time to be the final piece in the jigsaw after 6-8 rounds we were clear favourites to win the grand final and that price shortened every week until that day in October
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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by hawktiger » Fri Oct 09, 2020 9:58 am

Loss of rankin has been a big factor in form experienced full back provides communication which is important in organising defence and attack . when kicks went up he was good at timing run to pressure full back . Compare that with eden who missed timed run against a catalans full back who had already missed a couple of catches . gives a penalty away and catalans started getting on the front foot

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by duke street 10 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:39 pm

So if the squad is to pretty much stay the same...ditto the people that run the club., Then the strength & conditioning and injury rehab has to be better.

Fans can understand a season of bad luck with injuries,but it been more than that. It's needs investigating asap. I'm getting fed up of reading posts that go " when we get our full strength side" out...just isn't going to happen.

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by tigerfeat » Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:16 pm

It's the injuries not in games that get people down everybody knows how tough the game is if you get injured in a game people can accept that
And how long players are off from getting injured to playing again I'd be looking at all that side of things before next season
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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by SFOtiger » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:03 pm

Just another uninformed opinion, but here goes.

I think Powell, Danny and Ryan get the most out of the players we have. I suspect a lot of the results we have seen over Powell’s years are the players putting the thorough pre-season training and (opponent specific) game preparation into practice.

Other teams, and coaches, may play a “less coached” way, relying more week to week on individual skills and players individual ideas.

You can see Powell is visibly frustrated. With the disruption post-restart I think he is in a very difficult spot where he can’t coach as he is used to, and on field performances are suffering more for us than clubs that have different coaching approaches.

I think we all, and Powell, need to take a chill pill and get through this season to, hopefully, more normal times ahead, where his style can thrive again.

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by Tigersbarmy » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:26 pm

I stated at the start of season going into this year with only 2 half backs was crazy , we need to bring in another one

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by Fumper27 » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:43 pm

Don’t recall anyone complaining about “only having two halves” when we beat Saints 28-14 to go joint top after 7 games. In fact, I’m sure most were praising the squad balance that we had, especially the beneficial moves of Blair to the back row and Pete to right centre.

I’m also sure that most were happy with Rankin as half back cover when things were going great back in February and March.

I just can’t wait for the season to be over...

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Re: 3 years is a long time in rugby league.....

Post by Tamworth Tiger » Sun Oct 11, 2020 1:45 pm

I agree Fumper. Losing Rankin proved to be a disaster as it turned out.
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