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Fumper27 wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 10:19

stuey wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 09:46 I don`t like the idea of all matches being played on just three neutral gounds. Are Warrington, Saints & Leeds going to play all their remaining matches at "home"? If so it gives them a massive advantage over all the other clubs and calls into serious questions the integrity of the competition.

It is either that or no rugby, which do you prefer? Also, it’s not like they have the home crowd cheering them on. If anything, playing at their own ground with no support could be a bigger detriment to their performance. If so, do the “away” sides always have the advantage?

That's a fair point mate the first week the championship football came back there was only one home win so it may not be a big a advantage playing at home with no speccies

old cas lass wrote: ↑27 Jun 2020, 10:13 Yep. Certain teams are going to have a massive advantage.

I disagree.
There might be a very small advantage for teams playing on their home ground, but I do think it’s negligible. The biggest element to home advantage is home support, and that won’t be an issue. The teams don’t train regularly on their playing pitches these days and there is barely any difference in terms of the size of the pitches between the stadiums that will be used.
The choice is to take this approach or have no RL, therefore rebating more Sky money in 2021 and putting clubs at a higher risk of collapse. A very marginal advantage (if that) to some teams doesn’t outweigh the need to get the game re-started.
Anyway, we do pretty well at Headingley - even against Leeds. The biggest difference to the outcome of a game is always the performance of the team. Get that right, and it won’t matter where we are playing.

Surely the ‘home-away’ side will play their game at one of the other two stadiums on the relevant week.

I think it’s a fair point to challenge this.

I know I’d prefer all of our games at wheldon road, especially when all of our moves are practised on our own blades of grass.

There are differences in the size of our pitch and other, more modern stadia which will impact us in two ways. We are at a disadvantage when playing at other grounds and we lose the impact on other teams visiting us.

In addition, if we utilise the crown noise during games, it seems to me that, in football, the home sides have crowd noise of thier home supporters. So whilst there may be 'no crowd', there may still be an advantage those clubs that can host games?

Of course, this is better than nothing but worth noting nonetheless..

Flat Capper wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 12:13 There are differences in the size of our pitch and other, more modern stadia which will impact us in two ways. We are at a disadvantage when playing at other grounds and we lose the impact on other teams visiting us.

In addition, if we utilise the crown noise during games, it seems to me that, in football, the home sides have crowd noise of thier home supporters. So whilst there may be 'no crowd', there may still be an advantage those clubs that can host games?

Of course, this is better than nothing but worth noting nonetheless..

The crowd noise is added for the TV viewers - you can’t hear it at the stadium!
I think we are over-thinking this. The biggest difference between winning and losing is the performance of the team. We’ve been relegated twice playing home games at Wheldon Road, so it can’t be that much of an advantage. Similarly, we’ve had some good wins on large pitches such as St James’ Park.
I think there is an argument that every game should be played on a neutral pitch (eg Leeds not playing at Leeds), but if it means getting the game back up and running then it’s a minor issue.

nottinghamtiger wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 12:17

Flat Capper wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 12:13 There are differences in the size of our pitch and other, more modern stadia which will impact us in two ways. We are at a disadvantage when playing at other grounds and we lose the impact on other teams visiting us.

In addition, if we utilise the crown noise during games, it seems to me that, in football, the home sides have crowd noise of thier home supporters. So whilst there may be 'no crowd', there may still be an advantage those clubs that can host games?

Of course, this is better than nothing but worth noting nonetheless..

The crowd noise is added for the TV viewers - you can’t hear it at the stadium!

I must admit I don't follow goofball and have only seen a couple of short sectoins of live games following its return but there did appear to be an obvious home bias on what I could hear. If the sound is purely for TV audience, there doesn't seem to be a reason for home bias but there we go.

Leeds Utd has the crowd noise played through the PA system and trained with it on there captains run to get a feel for it.

TT Tiger wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 12:25 Leeds Utd has the crowd noise played through the PA system and trained with it on there captains run to get a feel for it.

I didn’t know that. The games I have seen have given a choice between watching with crowd noise added or not.

nottinghamtiger wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 12:31

TT Tiger wrote: ↑29 Jun 2020, 12:25 Leeds Utd has the crowd noise played through the PA system and trained with it on there captains run to get a feel for it.

I didn’t know that. The games I have seen have given a choice between watching with crowd noise added or not.

Thanks TT.. Seems ignorance on the subject is widespread.

On the home advantage subject overall, tell me a player that claims to prefer playing away from home and I'll show you a liar.

will the full fixture list come out or will they plan for a month or two leaving some games hoping the fans will be allowed to attend ??

Personally, there should be 2 grounds in Yorkshire and 2 in the other side of the pennines available for these matches. No team should play at home. Leeds could play their home matches at Huddersfield and Huddersfield at Leeds.

Leeds playing at home all the time and the ability to gain revenue from its corporate (technically they can do as bars and 0restaurants open though not giving a match ticket option) isn't fair.

mart0042 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 11:11 Personally, there should be 2 grounds in Yorkshire and 2 in the other side of the pennines available for these matches. No team should play at home. Leeds could play their home matches at Huddersfield and Huddersfield at Leeds.

Leeds playing at home all the time and the ability to gain revenue from its corporate (technically they can do as bars and 0restaurants open though not giving a match ticket option) isn't fair.

They should at least make them get changed in the Away dressing room

mart0042 wrote: ↑30 Jun 2020, 11:11 Personally, there should be 2 grounds in Yorkshire and 2 in the other side of the pennines available for these matches. No team should play at home. Leeds could play their home matches at Huddersfield and Huddersfield at Leeds.

Leeds playing at home all the time and the ability to gain revenue from its corporate (technically they can do as bars and 0restaurants open though not giving a match ticket option) isn't fair.

I’m fully behind this train of thought.

It would be grossly unfair for Leeds to play all of their remaining games at Headingley.
Especially given corporate/ boxes etc. In fact it would be disgusting.

They shouldn’t be allowed to play at Headingley whatsoever, just like none of the other teams.

In my opinion...

Which are the proposed grounds ?

It won’t be back if we aren’t careful.
Photos of Wigan players all together, indoors in the gym and all stood next to each other.
Lucky they aren’t footballers or the press would be all over them.

For those talking about "unfair advantage" for 3 teams:

In the english football league, bundesliga, AFL and - most relevant to us: NRL, home advantage disappears without crowds:

https://theconversation.com/as-football ... ars-138685

https://www.espn.com/soccer/german-bund ... y-stadiums

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-04/ ... e/12311344

There is nothing special enough about Headingley that would buck this trend for Leeds. So lets calm down eh?

I'm not sure anyone getting excited but it has to be a level playing field.

With Wigan football going into administration today, their ground may be available cheap.

Well who does actually own the Wigan ground?

Flat Capper wrote: ↑01 Jul 2020, 16:36 Well who does actually own the Wigan ground?

The administrators now

tigerfeat wrote: ↑01 Jul 2020, 16:46

Flat Capper wrote: ↑01 Jul 2020, 16:36 Well who does actually own the Wigan ground?

The administrators now

Not quite. The administrators control the assets primary and their goal is to use the company's assets to repay creditors as quickly and as fully as possible without preference.

Fumper27 wrote: ↑01 Jul 2020, 16:57

tigerfeat wrote: ↑01 Jul 2020, 16:46

Flat Capper wrote: ↑01 Jul 2020, 16:36 Well who does actually own the Wigan ground?

The administrators now

Not quite. The administrators control the assets primary and their goal is to use the company's assets to repay creditors as quickly and as fully as possible without preference.

Who owns the ground at this moment in time then