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Post by tigerfeat » 07 Jul 2020, 13:39

All this should have been sorted theve had more meetings than God knows what and it just looks a mess now ,I got a bad feeling about what's going to happen in the next two months
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Post by noxandrattles » 07 Jul 2020, 13:59

HuddsTigers wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 12:06 I believe they were wanting a model like Hull (think it was them in League Express) where a % is taken between each boundary a player earns

30k or under - nothing
Then staggered 15% for earnings between 30-50k, 20% for 50-100k and 25% for 100k+

It means someone on 100k would end up earning 87k

Someone on 30k wouldn't lose a thing
Someone on 50k would drop down to 47k.
Someone on 75k would drop to £67k

got your numbers wrong there 15% of 50k is 7.5K 20% is 10k so anyone on 50k would end up with 40k / 42.5 k depending which bracket you put them in, same goes for 100k depends which bracket you put them 20% reduction leaves them with 80k and 25% reduction leaves 75k
75k would reduce to 60k not 67

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Post by derbystiger » 07 Jul 2020, 14:41

noxandrattles wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 13:59
HuddsTigers wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 12:06 I believe they were wanting a model like Hull (think it was them in League Express) where a % is taken between each boundary a player earns

30k or under - nothing
Then staggered 15% for earnings between 30-50k, 20% for 50-100k and 25% for 100k+

It means someone on 100k would end up earning 87k

Someone on 30k wouldn't lose a thing
Someone on 50k would drop down to 47k.
Someone on 75k would drop to £67k

got your numbers wrong there 15% of 50k is 7.5K 20% is 10k so anyone on 50k would end up with 40k / 42.5 k depending which bracket you put them in, same goes for 100k depends which bracket you put them 20% reduction leaves them with 80k and 25% reduction leaves 75k
75k would reduce to 60k not 67
I thought the same with the numbers but I'm guessing that Hudds has taken into account the salary already paid at full pay prior to having to take the cuts?

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Post by noxandrattles » 07 Jul 2020, 15:00

but are they not asking them to take a cut in the years salary and not just the portion that is still to be paid?

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Post by Flat Capper » 07 Jul 2020, 16:07

derbystiger wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 14:41
noxandrattles wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 13:59
HuddsTigers wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 12:06 I believe they were wanting a model like Hull (think it was them in League Express) where a % is taken between each boundary a player earns

30k or under - nothing
Then staggered 15% for earnings between 30-50k, 20% for 50-100k and 25% for 100k+

It means someone on 100k would end up earning 87k

Someone on 30k wouldn't lose a thing
Someone on 50k would drop down to 47k.
Someone on 75k would drop to £67k

got your numbers wrong there 15% of 50k is 7.5K 20% is 10k so anyone on 50k would end up with 40k / 42.5 k depending which bracket you put them in, same goes for 100k depends which bracket you put them 20% reduction leaves them with 80k and 25% reduction leaves 75k
75k would reduce to 60k not 67
I thought the same with the numbers but I'm guessing that Hudds has taken into account the salary already paid at full pay prior to having to take the cuts?
I'm thinking like a tax advisor accountant and its 15% of the difference between 30k and 50k, ie 20K, which equals a 3k deduction and so on
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Post by Mysterio » 07 Jul 2020, 16:39

Doesn't add up hudds Tiger unless you're using Wigan accountant 😂
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Post by HuddsTigers » 07 Jul 2020, 16:59

noxandrattles wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 13:59
HuddsTigers wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 12:06 I believe they were wanting a model like Hull (think it was them in League Express) where a % is taken between each boundary a player earns

30k or under - nothing
Then staggered 15% for earnings between 30-50k, 20% for 50-100k and 25% for 100k+

It means someone on 100k would end up earning 87k

Someone on 30k wouldn't lose a thing
Someone on 50k would drop down to 47k.
Someone on 75k would drop to £67k

got your numbers wrong there 15% of 50k is 7.5K 20% is 10k so anyone on 50k would end up with 40k / 42.5 k depending which bracket you put them in, same goes for 100k depends which bracket you put them 20% reduction leaves them with 80k and 25% reduction leaves 75k
75k would reduce to 60k not 67
They wouldn't get deducted on the first 30k so they only get deducted on the amount in the boundary.

15% of 20k (that is the amount between 30 and 50k)

If they fall into the next boundary, they would get:
First 30k
15% removed from 30-50k (or next 20k) (so 3k)
20% from 70-100k (or next 30k) so anything between 0 for bang on 70k upto 6k for 100k a year.
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Post by HuddsTigers » 07 Jul 2020, 17:05

As FC said above, it is like our tax system where we don't get taxed on the first 12.5k we earn, and 20% for anything between that and whatever it is now- 40k?
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Post by nottinghamtiger » 07 Jul 2020, 18:12

HuddsTigers wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 17:05 As FC said above, it is like our tax system where we don't get taxed on the first 12.5k we earn, and 20% for anything between that and whatever it is now- 40k?
That’s how I see it too.
No deduction up to 30k.
Anything between 30k and 50k reduces by 15%.
Anything between 50k and 100k reduces by 20%.
Anything above 100k reduces by 25%.

So some models.
Player A earns 28k. He will still earn 28k as there is no deduction below 30k.
Player B earns 40k. He gets the full 30k and then loses 15% of his earning between 30k and 40k (a loss of £1,500), therefore reducing his salary from 40k to 38.5k.
Player C earns 80k. He gets the full 30k, then loses 15% of his earnings between 30k and 50k (a loss of 3k). He then loses 20% of earnings between 50k and 80k (a loss of £6k) so his overall salary is reduced from 80k to 71k.
Player C earns 125k. He keeps the first 30k. He loses 15% between 30k and 50k (a loss of 3k). He loses 20% of earning between 50k and 100k (a loss of 10k) and then 25% of his earning between 100k and 125k (a loss of £6.25k). Therefore his salary goes from 125k to 105.75k.

This is hardly going to bankrupt players. As I said on a previous post, they need to realise two things:
Firstly, if the club goes bankrupt they will have a salary of 0k.
Secondly, it doesn’t look great when the club ask season tickets holders to write off their money to help the club, but the players won’t agree to a reasonable pay-cut.

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Post by HuddsTigers » 07 Jul 2020, 18:27

It depends if that is what clubs are offering. It seems like some are trying for more and just flat cuts of say 20%.

The cynic in me wonders whether some of the clubs are using it as a way of reducing their salary cap spend so they can sign more players. Wouldn't look great. The RFL and SL should be governing this IMO and making it a law that if you offer pay cuts, players will still count on the cap at their original rate. That probably is the case to be fair but they need to make it explicit.
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Post by tigerfeat » 07 Jul 2020, 19:31

With all that's at stake couldn't you hope the 12 clubs had decided at one of there meetings to set say 15% -30% and then if one club wanted to deduct less than another it wouldn't threaten a players strike that would have made sense to me
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Post by Mysterio » 07 Jul 2020, 20:52

If a club is found to be using this to avoid sc restrictions then I would suggest the threat of additional points deductions. Cretins.

If clubs are doing the 20% flat rate to get ‘more’ money from their top earners then that is out of order too.
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Post by Fumper27 » 07 Jul 2020, 20:59

tigerfeat wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 19:31 With all that's at stake couldn't you hope the 12 clubs had decided at one of there meetings to set say 15% -30% and then if one club wanted to deduct less than another it wouldn't threaten a players strike that would have made sense to me

But what if by accepting a 15-30% pay cut the thing at stake is:

Your home
Your child’s education
Your savings
Your vehicle

Would you accept? Every single one of us has an individual set of circumstances in such a unique time. I certainly won’t be critical of any players who puts their own families first in this situation. I’m sure we’re all doing the same right now.

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Post by nottinghamtiger » 07 Jul 2020, 22:16

Fumper27 wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 20:59
tigerfeat wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 19:31 With all that's at stake couldn't you hope the 12 clubs had decided at one of there meetings to set say 15% -30% and then if one club wanted to deduct less than another it wouldn't threaten a players strike that would have made sense to me

But what if by accepting a 15-30% pay cut the thing at stake is:

Your home
Your child’s education
Your savings
Your vehicle

Would you accept? Every single one of us has an individual set of circumstances in such a unique time. I certainly won’t be critical of any players who puts their own families first in this situation. I’m sure we’re all doing the same right now.
I think I would if the result of not taking a pay cut was my employer ceasing to exist, and therefore my pay reducing by 100% to £0.
Granted, RL players are not highly paid. But I don’t think the scale of the cuts is going to plunge any of them into poverty.

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Post by Fumper27 » 08 Jul 2020, 05:48

nottinghamtiger wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 22:16
Fumper27 wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 20:59
tigerfeat wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 19:31 With all that's at stake couldn't you hope the 12 clubs had decided at one of there meetings to set say 15% -30% and then if one club wanted to deduct less than another it wouldn't threaten a players strike that would have made sense to me

But what if by accepting a 15-30% pay cut the thing at stake is:

Your home
Your child’s education
Your savings
Your vehicle

Would you accept? Every single one of us has an individual set of circumstances in such a unique time. I certainly won’t be critical of any players who puts their own families first in this situation. I’m sure we’re all doing the same right now.
I think I would if the result of not taking a pay cut was my employer ceasing to exist, and therefore my pay reducing by 100% to £0.
Granted, RL players are not highly paid. But I don’t think the scale of the cuts is going to plunge any of them into poverty.
But that is exactly by point Notts, no one knows and everyone’s situation is different. My opinion is that this can’t be dealt with via a broad stroke approach and needs tailoring to each individuals needs. Not doing so could and potentially would risk the future of our great game.

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Post by tigerfeat » 08 Jul 2020, 08:10

Fumper27 wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 20:59
tigerfeat wrote: 07 Jul 2020, 19:31 With all that's at stake couldn't you hope the 12 clubs had decided at one of there meetings to set say 15% -30% and then if one club wanted to deduct less than another it wouldn't threaten a players strike that would have made sense to me

But what if by accepting a 15-30% pay cut the thing at stake is:

Your home
Your child’s education
Your savings
Your vehicle

Would you accept? Every single one of us has an individual set of circumstances in such a unique time. I certainly won’t be critical of any players who puts their own families first in this situation. I’m sure we’re all doing the same right now.
But if the season dosnt re-start because of a players strike over wages and as to be void there may be no game next season at best 2 or 3 super league clubs would fold
I'm not having a go at players clubs are signing players putting them on good money while asking other players to take a pay cut I would hope clubs players get together and realise the seriousness of the situation they and the powers that be have had three months to sort it out let's hope they come to a agreement fairly quick now
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Post by HuddsTigers » 08 Jul 2020, 21:48

Six clubs apparently agreed now to cuts according to Carvell.

Apparently, GMB Union are also canvassing The RFL to stop any new signings (sounds more like marquees) if players are taking paycuts as players are angry that they are losing out and clubs are still making big signings.
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Post by gateman » 09 Jul 2020, 08:37

no one will want to take a pay cut that's obvious but you can not give money you have not got, having no gate receipts will have impacted all the clubs sticking out for their full money is OK for the short term but if clubs fold what is out there for these lads to go to its predicted 3 million will be looking for work next year, i do hope all the players make the right decision

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Post by Flat Capper » 09 Jul 2020, 11:11

Whilst I don't doubt for a second that Clubs have taken a significant financial hit, most (if not all) have had their salary costs paid for by the government through the furlough scheme for four months.

This also means the players have received a maximum of £2.8k per month, which is in itself a significant pay cut for some of them and their families.

I fully understand the players wanting their full pay for the remainder of their contract and should certainly be dissatisfied by attempts to sign other players at additional costs whilst being told the Club can't afford to pay current agreed contracts.
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Post by Mysterio » 09 Jul 2020, 12:37

I’m not joking now; I see this as the start of desperate times in rugby league.

Other sports too, but I feel several clubs will enter administration unless the government allows spectators in with visors or masks on. Which they won’t...

I pray that our club survives. No doubt folks will say I’m overreacting, but this is the scariest time in the history Of our club for me.
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