Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

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Reduce or Increase

Poll ended at 26 May 2020, 11:35

Increase
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Total votes: 21

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Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by heritage1926 » 19 May 2020, 11:35

There is currently a 6/5 split of clubs for and against the increase/decrease of the Salary Cap.

Castleford, Huddersfield, Hull KR, Hull FC, Leeds & Wakefield all in favour of reducing.

Catalans, St Helens, Toronto, Warrington & Wigan all against it (all want the cap increasing)

Salford are thought to be undecided and have the vote. If Salford vote against a reduction, it would be a 6/6 split and the deciding vote would go to the RFL.

What's everyone's thoughts? it's very much a Yorkshire v Lancashire thing right now.

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by Fumper27 » 19 May 2020, 11:45

Stay the same??

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by mdean » 19 May 2020, 11:55

Personally, I think if club owners were more careful, the cap should be a strict % of turnover, from the last declared accounts.
That should be a clear sliding scale that rewards increasing turnover, or profitability, albeit turnover and profit are distant colleagues often unrelated.

I actually think the point is moot until the scale of TV income is know beyond this contract, I've given my views on this loads on other threads, I think this is the biggest crossroads for the game since the formation of the Northern Union personally and it will define the next 10 years, if not forever.

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by Mysterio » 19 May 2020, 12:44

Cost of living increased, blah blah...perhaps a small increase.

What are we talking IF there is an increase? That makes all the difference. An increase of £500k would maybe see us fall away as challengers.
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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by Lofthouse Tiger » 19 May 2020, 14:17

Strange that the clubs that have money and splash it around want to increase get the little less wealthy clubs want to reduce it. I know Leeds are in the decrease camp but they are skint and won’t want to drop further behind the better clubs by not having the money to compete.

This is very evident in the football world. So many self centred clubs looking out for themselves and this is just the same sort of thing. It’s not about the good of the game and the future sometimes.

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by mdean » 19 May 2020, 18:18

The rewards in football are so big though getting from the Champ to the Prem, in Rugby League, I don't see a huge gulf in profitability in general terms.

It's a strange juxtaposition and difficult to manage without a pandemic, be interesting to see what happens. As you rightly point out however, clubs by default will vote for what suits them best, the game is an entirely different thing in general.

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by TT Tiger » 19 May 2020, 18:54

Keep the same for. You can’t reduce wages what if you had no one out of contract? We are wanting to run the reserves again next year so it would be regressive for the sport as a whole to reduce the cap.

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by Fevtiger » 19 May 2020, 19:20

Well warrington must no sumet having just signed inglis for next season and apparently not on marquee money theres no way there under cap as it is now never mind signing 1 of the top players in world granted he'd retired last season but still think if he had put himself on open market in nrl he could of 700k a season I'd of thought so carnt c him coming to warrington for peanuts :-k

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Post by Tigers1926 » 19 May 2020, 19:22

Dickh**d on twitter being disrespectful to Cas and a few other clubs about the where's and why's of salary cap increase or decrease. A guy has jumped in and absolutely defended Cas to the hilt with some facts about our club. It would be great to see some more Tigers fans back our guy up. 💪👊🐯 COYF

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by Ponte Pigeon » 19 May 2020, 20:30

This may not be a popular opinion but if the sport is to grow the salary cap has to increase.

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by Tigers1926 » 19 May 2020, 21:18

I think the cap has to increase to simply pay for the reserves etc etc, but not stupidly. As for Warrington, great signing to get Inglis, but how on earth do their sums add up?

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by casjunction » 20 May 2020, 00:28

The economy is in unchartered territory.
The biggest recession in memory looming on the horizon.
Is Rugby League impervious to this.
There are plenty of older supporters who may have concerns about returning to be a spectator with the virus still around.
People may find themselves out of work or reduced pay.
Sponsors may be more difficult to come by when money is tight.
Sky may be less willing to pay the same for the tv rights let alone increase their offer.
If it all sounds a bit gloomy.
It is.
Lets face it the clubs a commercial businesses so how can most carry on tear after year losing money.
We will see.

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by tigerfeat » 20 May 2020, 07:11

If we were in normal times id be dead against lowering the salary cap ,it wouldn't be a good look for a team like Leeds to be pushing for a decrease or any other team come to that but were not in normal times
Id proberly keep it like it is until there's a clearer view on the future
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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by JIN JER » 20 May 2020, 11:14

Have I missed something here, if you increase the salary cap that enables clubs to spend more of their income on contracts? We’re in the middle of a pandemic, there can’t be any clubs not looking over their shoulders financially, which clubs have enough money in reserve to tide them over this pandemic? I’d guess every club will want a bit of the government’s £16M loan. So how come (after playing behind closed doors) are these clubs gonna be able to honour the original contracts never mind servicing newer higher contracts through an increase in SC? I’d have thought that for two or three seasons (sadly the players wouldn’t like this) a lower salary cap should be introduced to help clubs survive. And no I wouldn’t appreciate it as an employee.

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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by tigerfeat » 27 May 2020, 10:33

A lot of players have gone online posting a blue square I think it is to represent there against salary cap cuts
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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by Fumper27 » 27 May 2020, 11:08

tigerfeat wrote: 27 May 2020, 10:33 A lot of players have gone online posting a blue square I think it is to represent there against salary cap cuts
If you type “meaning of blue square”, it comes up with:

“ It represents group identity for gays in the continuing struggle for our rights, and for others it is a symbol of pride in, and support of, a diverse society.”

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Post by tigerfeat » 27 May 2020, 11:34

Not sure on that one mate but that's what there putting with there message
Interesting a lot of players from clubs who are believed to want a reduction in the salary cap
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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by nottinghamtiger » 27 May 2020, 13:48

Ultimately, they aren’t forced to play RL.
Any player who thinks he can earn more money doing something else is free to do so.
I think the players have badly mis-judged this. Firstly, there are many people who have simply lost their income completely in the last two months. Moaning about a salary-cap reduction (so not even a pay cut to their current contracts) seems a bit pathetic when others have seen their job simply vanish due to a global pandemic.
Secondly, they need to realise that if clubs go bust, there will be nobody to work for at all. Even if some clubs survive, it will put those clubs in a position of power to lower wages because there will be more players than needed.
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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by Flat Capper » 27 May 2020, 14:09

nottinghamtiger wrote: 27 May 2020, 13:48 Ultimately, they aren’t forced to play RL.
Any player who thinks he can earn more money doing something else is free to do so.
Not a fan of workers rights are you Notts?
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Re: Salary Cap for 2021 and beyond

Post by nottinghamtiger » 27 May 2020, 14:15

Flat Capper wrote: 27 May 2020, 14:09
nottinghamtiger wrote: 27 May 2020, 13:48 Ultimately, they aren’t forced to play RL.
Any player who thinks he can earn more money doing something else is free to do so.
Not a fan of workers rights are you Notts?
I don’t have massive sympathy in this case. There is no suggestion that players will not have their current contracts honoured. If they don’t like the salary offered when their current deal runs out, then they can choose to find alternative employment. Nobody is forcing them to accept a salary that they think is inadequate, are they?

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