Boxing Day with Bulls

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by braytontiger » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:52 am

gateman wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:43 am
in these matches i would like them to give Robbie Storey a go in the centre his natural position ,he played a lot last year in the second row i was always impressed with the lads work rate
He’s a good lad Robbie, he really needs to be playing at a decent level this year championship minimum along with Turner,Carr and summers otherwise they will stagnate. I hope York are willing to give them that exposure.

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by HuddsTigers » Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 am

Aren't friendlies split gate? Prices are high but I wonder if that is why.

3000 fans, max of £45k if all adults. Less if you factor in juniors and concessions.

Once costs have been taken into account, you are probably only looking at £15k per team.

Club has to make revenue/profit from every game it can.
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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by Fumper27 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:54 am

HuddsTigers wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 am
Aren't friendlies split gate? Prices are high but I wonder if that is why.

3000 fans, max of £45k if all adults. Less if you factor in juniors and concessions.

Once costs have been taken into account, you are probably only looking at £15k per team.

Club has to make revenue/profit from every game it can.
But they make no profit by pricing people out of going

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by tigerfeat » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:06 pm

If it's cas second team against a bulls side that I don't even know have got 17 players registerd at this moment in time it will be a poor show charging them prices IMO
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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by Juscas » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:22 pm

Anymore than £5 for juniors is taking the pee
We won’t be going

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by gateman » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:55 pm

i wonder if those that think of the price to watch these matches would pay to go in if they had too ??

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by Squaddie86 » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:57 pm

HuddsTigers wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 am
Aren't friendlies split gate? Prices are high but I wonder if that is why.

3000 fans, max of £45k if all adults. Less if you factor in juniors and concessions.

Once costs have been taken into account, you are probably only looking at £15k per team.

Club has to make revenue/profit from every game it can.
Half of zero is zero.

Which is what I'll be giving the club on boxing day.

Price the friendies properly and I'll go, I'll buy 3-4 beers and a burger.

The question is does charging these prices for ~1,000 (the crowd I'd expect) make up for any lost crowd members and in ground purchases?

I don't know, all i know is that the club can't want my money that much.

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by Piquad1 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:46 am

Hit the nail on the head squaddie

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by Casmania » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:17 am

HuddsTigers wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 am
Aren't friendlies split gate? Prices are high but I wonder if that is why.

3000 fans, max of £45k if all adults. Less if you factor in juniors and concessions.

Once costs have been taken into account, you are probably only looking at £15k per team.

Club has to make revenue/profit from every game it can.
You are correct, gate receipts are split after costs are removed.

However your assumption that costs equate to one third of revenue is grossly exaggerated. Players are contracted, match day duties are part of staff contracts - they do get time off in lieu. Costs are limited to bar staff wages, turnstile operators, match day doctor, security, collection by securicor of gate/other receipts.
In addition to gate receipts, there are match day sponsorship, hospitality, programme sponsorship and sales, golden gamble, bar receipts, food and beverage sales, merchandising sales.

Some of these sales are dependant on the attendance, quite simply a larger crowd results in greater income.
Charging so much for such a game like this will reduce the crowd and resulting ad-hoc sales and income.
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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by HuddsTigers » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:07 am

Not exaggerated just an approximation.

A 3,000 crowd isn't going to be all adults, just like it's not going to be all concessions/juniors. Taking a mid-range view of £37,500 minus a couple of thousand off for costs is around £18,750 each.

I doubt the club will bother running a programme for the match (not worth it) and not convinced sales on food/drink will outweigh the cost for a friendly. Merchandise sales should be treated separate to the match costs since they won't be split with Bradford.
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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by braytontiger » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:33 am

HuddsTigers wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:07 am
Not exaggerated just an approximation.

A 3,000 crowd isn't going to be all adults, just like it's not going to be all concessions/juniors. Taking a mid-range view of £37,500 minus a couple of thousand off for costs is around £18,750 each.

I doubt the club will bother running a programme for the match (not worth it) and not convinced sales on food/drink will outweigh the cost for a friendly. Merchandise sales should be treated separate to the match costs since they won't be split with Bradford.
IMO it’s not just about profit it’s also about getting bodies through the gates and making people feel part of and behind the club.

3k at £15-£10 may well generate the same or more revenue as 4.5k at £10-£5 but that 4.5k will feel they have had good value for money.
Basically the club are playing a game of let’s see how much money we can take from our most loyal supporters rather than a longer term approach of giving people the chance to watch a game at a reduced cost in the hope that we get some casual supporters back on side.

Just remember going to a game is a habit the same as not going to a game is. We’ve seen in the past few years attendances are fragile with product,price and time been the main factors. any opportunity to build bridges to bring those fans we have lost back should be taken,charging over excessively for a friendly game won’t do that when there are so many other things people can spend their money on that particular day.

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by thedogvinnie » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:41 am

noxandrattles wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:56 pm
i see the usual happy bunch have found something to complain about as per usual
they are just copying and pasting last years moans about friendlies, a few alterations , opposition etc but its like an annual echo.
Dont want to pay 15 quid, dont go...... simple

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by braytontiger » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:52 am

thedogvinnie wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:41 am
noxandrattles wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:56 pm
i see the usual happy bunch have found something to complain about as per usual
they are just copying and pasting last years moans about friendlies, a few alterations , opposition etc but its like an annual echo.
Dont want to pay 15 quid, dont go...... simple
It’s not exactly a good business model to follow is it.
Most people want what’s best for the club both on the pitch and off it. Questioning things gets things done the club do listen as we’ve seen in certain areas,they are willing to learn.

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by thedogvinnie » Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:57 am

braytontiger wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:52 am
thedogvinnie wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:41 am
noxandrattles wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:56 pm
i see the usual happy bunch have found something to complain about as per usual
they are just copying and pasting last years moans about friendlies, a few alterations , opposition etc but its like an annual echo.
Dont want to pay 15 quid, dont go...... simple
It’s not exactly a good business model to follow is it.
Most people want what’s best for the club both on the pitch and off it. Questioning things gets things done the club do listen as we’ve seen in certain areas,they are willing to learn.
not in pricing friendlies they havent listened at all, friendly prices have been moaned about for years but the club still wants 15 quid. Its up to you whether they get it or not.
They wont be getting mine this year, only because im not travelling from scarbados for a friendly

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Re: Boxing Day with Bulls

Post by mart0042 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:03 am

I'll be there and be ready to be hungover and cold to the bone. Glad it's not Fev.

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