Seven into five....

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by flow » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:22 pm

Ronnie wrote:
Tamworth Tiger wrote:I find this thread really sad.
It reminds me of the feeling of entitlement there was in the 1970-71 season when the great cup era side started to fall apart and reaching the cup semi that year was seen as failure. The crowds fell really quickly that season and the suggestion from the posters here is that the same is happening
The facts as I’ve stated on this forum don’t back up that our season has been that bad overall we’ve conceded less points and scored more than most. We’ve beaten everyone except Saints and we are 4 points off second. We have lost late in a number of games which could otherwise have seen us in second place.
We have done all this despite an horrendous injury list and in particular having our star half back and captain both out for virtually the entire season.
We are still in a position despite all that to make the playoffs. The assumption is that we won’t despite 3 games being against teams we have already beaten and the fourth against a team that will have nothing to gain from the result a week after they will have been in a cup final.
The teams around us, with the exception of Saints and a brilliantly achieving Salford side have nothing much to shout about. I would particularly point to the much lauded and very expensive Warrington team who will end up with nothing from this season other than perhaps a Man of Steel Award that was decided before the season began.
We are all disappointed. Powell has set a consistency standard unprecedented in the club’s history and it’s a fantastic compliment to him in a way that we will all be disappointed if we finish in the top 6 yet again. The reality is that it’s an incredible achievement and should put us in a good place with the well blooded youngsters who have learned the hard way this season, to be challenging again next year
If you want to say I’m amber tinted or some other ridiculous expression that gets used to put people in a box fair enough but remember it’s only a handful of weeks since a number of posters were gleefully predicting that we would by now be in a relegation fight.
Well we’ve done that before and in those seasons we could only dream of being in the position we are now
If there was an award for post of the year, this is right up there. I don't often Post on the forum, but had to reply to this. This is a complete (and positive spin), on where we are as a club and clearly shows the level of expectation that we all (well the majority anyway) feel that we should be at - that surely is down to how well the club have done.. no?. A few years back, we would be snappy anyone's hands off to be in the regular position we are in now, but to some it's a disaster and we are failing as a club. Yes, of course we can say we didn't build on 2017, and I for one agree, but come on, with what we have had to get over and not being able to put the same team out week in and week out, then I think we have done amazing. You will get the odd club here and there over achieving (Salford this year), but I am still proud of what we have done and like Tamworth Tiger says, we could have been sitting in 2nd place if with a bit of luck and better game management !!
I agree very good post but don't take away from the fact people have voted with there feet must be some thing a miss at the club. can't take many seasons with poor crowds financially with having no sugar daddy any more. One off biggest mistakes was probably not given Zak another chance and not recruiting another half back when we new Gail was out for season. We have had to dig deep this year for sure, and hats off to them players who have. But a bit better off field planning by management we would still be up there maybe 2nd or 3rd

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by The Fox » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:52 pm

flow wrote:
Ronnie wrote:
Tamworth Tiger wrote:I find this thread really sad.
It reminds me of the feeling of entitlement there was in the 1970-71 season when the great cup era side started to fall apart and reaching the cup semi that year was seen as failure. The crowds fell really quickly that season and the suggestion from the posters here is that the same is happening
The facts as I’ve stated on this forum don’t back up that our season has been that bad overall we’ve conceded less points and scored more than most. We’ve beaten everyone except Saints and we are 4 points off second. We have lost late in a number of games which could otherwise have seen us in second place.
We have done all this despite an horrendous injury list and in particular having our star half back and captain both out for virtually the entire season.
We are still in a position despite all that to make the playoffs. The assumption is that we won’t despite 3 games being against teams we have already beaten and the fourth against a team that will have nothing to gain from the result a week after they will have been in a cup final.
The teams around us, with the exception of Saints and a brilliantly achieving Salford side have nothing much to shout about. I would particularly point to the much lauded and very expensive Warrington team who will end up with nothing from this season other than perhaps a Man of Steel Award that was decided before the season began.
We are all disappointed. Powell has set a consistency standard unprecedented in the club’s history and it’s a fantastic compliment to him in a way that we will all be disappointed if we finish in the top 6 yet again. The reality is that it’s an incredible achievement and should put us in a good place with the well blooded youngsters who have learned the hard way this season, to be challenging again next year
If you want to say I’m amber tinted or some other ridiculous expression that gets used to put people in a box fair enough but remember it’s only a handful of weeks since a number of posters were gleefully predicting that we would by now be in a relegation fight.
Well we’ve done that before and in those seasons we could only dream of being in the position we are now
If there was an award for post of the year, this is right up there. I don't often Post on the forum, but had to reply to this. This is a complete (and positive spin), on where we are as a club and clearly shows the level of expectation that we all (well the majority anyway) feel that we should be at - that surely is down to how well the club have done.. no?. A few years back, we would be snappy anyone's hands off to be in the regular position we are in now, but to some it's a disaster and we are failing as a club. Yes, of course we can say we didn't build on 2017, and I for one agree, but come on, with what we have had to get over and not being able to put the same team out week in and week out, then I think we have done amazing. You will get the odd club here and there over achieving (Salford this year), but I am still proud of what we have done and like Tamworth Tiger says, we could have been sitting in 2nd place if with a bit of luck and better game management !!
I agree very good post but don't take away from the fact people have voted with there feet must be some thing a miss at the club. can't take many seasons with poor crowds financially with having no sugar daddy any more. One off biggest mistakes was probably not given Zak another chance and not recruiting another half back when we new Gail was out for season. We have had to dig deep this year for sure, and hats off to them players who have. But a bit better off field planning by management we would still be up there maybe 2nd or 3rd
The most disappointing aspect of this season, for me anyway, has to be the 4 points dropped against Leeds. Not only would these 4 points have put us up to equal 2nd place, it would also have Leeds equal bottom!!

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by Juscas » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:10 pm

Whilst I hoped for more this year I can live with the position we are in.whats disappointed me more is our style of play throughout the entire season even when winning we have been negative and very boring to watch.maybe that’s how rugby league as a whole is going but entertainment has been in short supply at the jungle this year.

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by tigerfeat » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:32 pm

There's being some good performances we've had injurys the players havnt looked like there enjoying it much Saturdays performance was garbage simples
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Re: Seven into five....

Post by Sharlotiger » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:22 pm

The players don't look like they have enjoyed the style of rugby we have been playing for the past 2 seasons, with Powells rigid playing by numbers style they seem as bored as us that are watching.
After being so royally entertained from DP coming in from 2013 what the hell as happened to us, we look scared to death to try anything.

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by duke street 10 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:06 pm

I don't think we will make the 5. The loss of Gale, The mysterious goings on in Lanzorote (which in my opinion has effected morale & team spirit) the continuing full back problem, the loss of attacking flair and our complete lack of nous to close out tight games has led me to think this.

I hope they prove me wrong mind, but it would take a real upturn in performances in the next 4 games...and even our coach has said this year we have been consistent in being inconsistent !

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by flow » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:46 am

duke street 10 wrote:I don't think we will make the 5. The loss of Gale, The mysterious goings on in Lanzorote (which in my opinion has effected morale & team spirit) the continuing full back problem, the loss of attacking flair and our complete lack of nous to close out tight games has led me to think this.

I hope they prove me wrong mind, but it would take a real upturn in performances in the next 4 games...and even our coach has said this year we have been consistent in being inconsistent !
Do people think we will make the five next year with alot off teams recruiting well. My view all depends on gale and probably signing another centre that will make feki a worth while signing can't see Shenton making every game and if Blair don't improve. Think we probaly be OK in forwards . So if gale is back to is best and the back line improve double to wants it's being this year we will be challenging for top five if not could be a nervous season hanging in bottom half.

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by Mysterio » Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:18 am

Ive said it before, rebuilding should start now, some senior pros might have to go.

Whatever happens if they do not turn around and say they have identified the vital areas that we need addressing will be focussed on and we'll be active in the marketplace I will not be buying a ST for me or my two young sons.

They're right at the age they could be lost to football and and spending 600+ on gear and tickets could be money spent on more entertaining activities

It's awful to see them being distracted because the club have taken their eye off the ball and left us with a sub standard brand of rugby and roster. We need at least 3 excellent signings.

I appreciate it sounds harsh but, that's exactly the approach we need from wells and Powell. The purse strings needs some loosening it possible.
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Re: Seven into five....

Post by mart0042 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:08 pm

If we make the 5 it will have man we beat 2 of 3 teams above us, which should give us impetus.

With some players back from injury and playing like when we beat wire recently, no reason we can't make OT.. Lots of its and buts though and a fair bit of luck.

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by Sharlotiger » Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:14 pm

mart0042 wrote:If we make the 5 it will have man we beat 2 of 3 teams above us, which should give us impetus.

With some players back from injury and playing like when we beat wire recently, no reason we can't make OT.. Lots of its and buts though and a fair bit of luck.
Lol.....

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by derbystiger » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:47 pm

mart0042 wrote:If we make the 5 it will have man we beat 2 of 3 teams above us, which should give us impetus.

With some players back from injury and playing like when we beat wire recently, no reason we can't make OT.. Lots of its and buts though and a fair bit of luck.
What have you been smoking??

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by mart0042 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:02 am

derbystiger wrote:
mart0042 wrote:If we make the 5 it will have man we beat 2 of 3 teams above us, which should give us impetus.

With some players back from injury and playing like when we beat wire recently, no reason we can't make OT.. Lots of its and buts though and a fair bit of luck.
What have you been smoking??
Drinking from my half full glass. Much happier fighting for top 5 than relegation.

Also we are upgrading our squad and clearing some out.

Whats not to enjoy.?

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by heritage1926 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:28 pm

Pundits have been predicting how the league will finish with the games remaining, a lot have us finishing 7th behind Catalan and Salford.

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by old cas lass » Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:44 pm

mart0042 wrote:If we make the 5 it will have man we beat 2 of 3 teams above us, which should give us impetus.

With some players back from injury and playing like when we beat wire recently, no reason we can't make OT.. Lots of its and buts though and a fair bit of luck.
Which players are to come back.
Can’t see shenton moors foster gale back this season.
Watts out for 2/3 more weeks.
Who is to come back that will be fit.

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Re: Seven into five....

Post by mart0042 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:05 pm

old cas lass wrote:
mart0042 wrote:If we make the 5 it will have man we beat 2 of 3 teams above us, which should give us impetus.

With some players back from injury and playing like when we beat wire recently, no reason we can't make OT.. Lots of its and buts though and a fair bit of luck.
Which players are to come back.
Can’t see shenton moors foster gale back this season.
Watts out for 2/3 more weeks.
Who is to come back that will be fit.
Tbh we know very little about the injures and when they might return.

Apart from Foster, who is out for the season?

If we've something to play for, we might have all bar him available.

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