Reserves

[braytontiger]

With a likely starting 17 of:

Matautia, Feki, Blair, Shenton, Eden, Trueman, Gale, Watts, McShane, Smith, McMeeken, Jesse, Massey

Subs: Milner, Cook, Moors, Holmes

Means a strong reserves side next year featuring Turner, Clare, Olpherts, Rankin (if he stays), Griffin, Storey, Hepi, Foster, Peachey, O'Neill and Carr. Maybe Clarkson, Ellis and Gill too if they stay.

Kids overage who could step up: Jinks (hooker), Henry Mitchell (back-row), Sweeting (scrum half), Joe Fella (loose), Joe Summers (back-row) (taken from Cas site - not sure how many others will be overage)

Turner
Clare
Storey
Olpherts
Carr
Rankin
Sweeting
Griffin
Jinks
Peachey
Hepi
Foster
O'Neill

Summers
Fella
Mitchell
A N Other

That looks ok but in reality both those teams could be missing on average 4/5 players a week meaning your at least 10 players light.all of which need to be paid. Rumours of part time and pay as you play from the amateur game will make a mockery of the reasons for bringing back reserves.

Like I say I’ll reserve judgement until I know more of how our club decides to roll with it

[Tigersbarmy]

With a likely starting 17 of:

Matautia, Feki, Blair, Shenton, Eden, Trueman, Gale, Watts, McShane, Smith, McMeeken, Jesse, Massey

Subs: Milner, Cook, Moors, Holmes

Means a strong reserves side next year featuring Turner, Clare, Olpherts, Rankin (if he stays), Griffin, Storey, Hepi, Foster, Peachey, O'Neill and Carr. Maybe Clarkson, Ellis and Gill too if they stay.

Kids overage who could step up: Jinks (hooker), Henry Mitchell (back-row), Sweeting (scrum half), Joe Fella (loose), Joe Summers (back-row) (taken from Cas site - not sure how many others will be overage)

Turner
Clare
Storey
Olpherts
Carr
Rankin
Sweeting
Griffin
Jinks
Peachey
Hepi
Foster
O'Neill

Summers
Fella
Mitchell
A N Other

Interesting you’ve put Olpherts at centre . Heard he played there a bit for Newcastle thunder but pretty much sure he’s played every game on wing for Salford at super league level

[gateman]

when the reserves were abandoned it was a cost cutting exercise nothing as changed, i keep beating the drum that these matches should be played to avoid clashing with TV matches and the armature game that play on a Saturday , Sunday would be the best option when the first team have played midweek , this should help to increase the gate receipts so offsetting some of the cost

[Tiger53]

I’m all for mandatory reserve teams.

However, surely this should go hand in hand with scrapping the dual registration system but apparently the dual registration and loan systems are unaffected.

If I recall correctly DR was introduced because, without reserve teams, there was nowhere for SL players who were not in their clubs first team to get game time. With the re-introduction of reserve teams there will be so why the need for DR? It hardly aids development when young players at Championship/League 1 clubs train with their clubs during the week only to find that they don’t get a game at the weekend to make way for SL players.

If reserve teams and DR are allowed to co-exist you will have the farcical situation at some clubs where amateurs are being used to fill up there reserve teams whilst the same clubs has senior players out on DR at Championship clubs.

No problem with players being on loan but, with the re-introduction of reserve teams, dual registration should now be scrapped but typically the RFL ( or the clubs ) only do half a job.

[Mysterio]

Tremendous move.
The pathway to dreams for many.

There’s always folks wanting to turn their hand to RL at amateur level, I don’t buy it btw. We’ll see.

The amateur game could be even stronger ultimately.

Pathways...

[Johnlewis1920]

Basically I agree with tiger53 the reserve grade has got to be properly funded by the club and not run as a box ticking exercise by the club it’s got to work COYF

[mart0042]

Reserved is a must to keep players fit.

I hate the dual reg scheme and this will panic fev. I think the dual reg should go, loans to continue though.

[Frankas]

With a likely starting 17 of:

Matautia, Feki, Blair, Shenton, Eden, Trueman, Gale, Watts, McShane, Smith, McMeeken, Jesse, Massey

Subs: Milner, Cook, Moors, Holmes

Means a strong reserves side next year featuring Turner, Clare, Olpherts, Rankin (if he stays), Griffin, Storey, Hepi, Foster, Peachey, O'Neill and Carr. Maybe Clarkson, Ellis and Gill too if they stay.

Kids overage who could step up: Jinks (hooker), Henry Mitchell (back-row), Sweeting (scrum half), Joe Fella (loose), Joe Summers (back-row) (taken from Cas site - not sure how many others will be overage)

Turner
Clare
Storey
Olpherts
Carr
Rankin
Sweeting
Griffin
Jinks
Peachey
Hepi
Foster
O'Neill

Summers
Fella
Mitchell
A N Other

Interesting you’ve put Olpherts at centre . Heard he played there a bit for Newcastle thunder but pretty much sure he’s played every game on wing for Salford at super league level

We might find that Peanut has lost the fullback spot to Rankin,

[old cas lass]

With a likely starting 17 of:

Matautia, Feki, Blair, Shenton, Eden, Trueman, Gale, Watts, McShane, Smith, McMeeken, Jesse, Massey

Subs: Milner, Cook, Moors, Holmes

Means a strong reserves side next year featuring Turner, Clare, Olpherts, Rankin (if he stays), Griffin, Storey, Hepi, Foster, Peachey, O'Neill and Carr. Maybe Clarkson, Ellis and Gill too if they stay.

Kids overage who could step up: Jinks (hooker), Henry Mitchell (back-row), Sweeting (scrum half), Joe Fella (loose), Joe Summers (back-row) (taken from Cas site - not sure how many others will be overage)

Turner
Clare
Storey
Olpherts
Carr
Rankin
Sweeting
Griffin
Jinks
Peachey
Hepi
Foster
O'Neill

Summers
Fella
Mitchell
A N Other

Interesting you’ve put Olpherts at centre . Heard he played there a bit for Newcastle thunder but pretty much sure he’s played every game on wing for Salford at super league level

We might find that Peanut has lost the fullback spot to Rankin,

Won’t be a bad thing frankas.

[heritage1926]

Mata'tiua deserves at least a pre-season with both Gale and Trueman to strike up some combinations. Lost count how many different half pairings he's had to try and gel with. Hard for a fullback is that.

[CasAttack]

Mata'tiua deserves at least a pre-season with both Gale and Trueman to strike up some combinations. Lost count how many different half pairings he's had to try and gel with. Hard for a fullback is that.

Yeah i made this point a week or two ago.
Dont think Pete has actually played with Gale yet has he?

[gateman]

Tremendous move.
The pathway to dreams for many.

There’s always folks wanting to turn their hand to RL at amateur level, I don’t buy it btw. We’ll see.

The amateur game could be even stronger ultimately.

Pathways...

mate if you can find anyone wanting to try there hand at rugby league at amateur level send them to any of the local sides were they will be welcomed with open arms , numbers have been dropping off over the years with people wanting to play open age, gone are the days when a lad got injured he was not in fear of loosing his job

[SuffolkTiger]

when the reserves were abandoned it was a cost cutting exercise nothing as changed, i keep beating the drum that these matches should be played to avoid clashing with TV matches and the armature game that play on a Saturday , Sunday would be the best option when the first team have played midweek , this should help to increase the gate receipts so offsetting some of the cost

All day long.

Double header on a Sunday afternoon - reserves then a ladies game

[Dez]

If clubs have spent there cap money where's the money come from for the reserves. Youll need around 40players all full time with competitive wages

[braytontiger]

If clubs have spent there cap money where's the money come from for the reserves. Youll need around 40players all full time with competitive wages

This is where it will fall apart. You cannot expect lads at 20 years old to play on part time academy wages. They need to earn a living. They also need to decide whether playing reserve grade is going to be a better for their development than the championship. Championship clubs are chasing these youngsters now as they won’t have as much reign to bring in loan players or DR from next year.

[HuddsTigers]

If clubs have spent there cap money where's the money come from for the reserves. Youll need around 40players all full time with competitive wages

Only the top 25 players count on the salary cap along with anyone who plays a first team game outside of that

Reserves will be made up of senior players and promoted U19s each year.

Most clubs will be able to accommodate that under existing squad numbers.

[Dez]

If clubs have spent there cap money where's the money come from for the reserves. Youll need around 40players all full time with competitive wages

Only the top 25 players count on the salary cap along with anyone who plays a first team game outside of that

Reserves will be made up of senior players and promoted U19s each year.

Most clubs will be able to accommodate that under existing squad numbers.

Thing is hudds the promoted u19s will now be men who will need a wage /career. Cas will need approx 500k to run an effective reserve team with support staff and i dont see where that money comes from. Surely as a young man you might as well get a job and play part time

[HuddsTigers]

Maybe but as a 19/20 year old, I’d be surprised if many can get jobs on £20k+

So as a starting salary £15k is pretty good and you get the chance to play with senior players and make a good impression. Depends on ambition to be an elite athlete.

Some may naturally fall off at 21/22 if they can get decent contracts in Champ/L1.

Last time out it was the case that only the best 19 year olds were kept on in the senior squad.

I’d also argue that for Cas, taking a leap of faith and investing in young players is likely to pay more dividends in the long term particularly with squad depth and salary cap flexibility than signing players with no affinity to the club.

[braytontiger]

Maybe but as a 19/20 year old, I’d be surprised if many can get jobs on £20k+

So as a starting salary £15k is pretty good and you get the chance to play with senior players and make a good impression. Depends on ambition to be an elite athlete.

Some may naturally fall off at 21/22 if they can get decent contracts in Champ/L1.

Last time out it was the case that only the best 19 year olds were kept on in the senior squad.

I’d also argue that for Cas, taking a leap of faith and investing in young players is likely to pay more dividends in the long term particularly with squad depth and salary cap flexibility than signing players with no affinity to the club.

Your miles off the mark regards wages try between 5-7k part time to play reserves and then you can see where the problem is. Part time in the championship a youngster can earn between 10-12k plus a bigger win bonus and the luxury of been able to work full time on top. Tough choice for youngsters to make when there is no guarantee of a full time contract at the end of it

[HuddsTigers]

Is that the case for those stepping up to senior level? Just thinking the likes of Turner, Gill, for example, may not be on that much given they got senior contracts. Same with likes of Storey, Carr potentially.