Who else do we need?

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by Sharlotiger » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:34 pm

Think we missed a trick last season when Milner was indecisive over a new contract, we could have let him go and with Westy struggling to find a club, brought him in on the cheap.
He would go pretty well in our structures at loose.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by heritage1926 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:08 pm

Sharlotiger wrote:Think we missed a trick last season when Milner was indecisive over a new contract, we could have let him go and with Westy struggling to find a club, brought him in on the cheap.
He would go pretty well in our structures at loose.
Westy is on a pretty decent wage at FC. More than I imagine he'd get at Cas.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by Sharlotiger » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:34 pm

He wasn't when he went there. Westy had to prove his worth again.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by nottinghamtiger » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:38 pm

Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by Mysterio » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:53 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
Times change.
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by dettoriman » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:10 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
Not doing Wattsy any harm.

And he's still got a life outside of Rugby. People mature. Wattsy certainly has over the years
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by takethetwo » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:13 pm

dettoriman wrote:
nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
Not doing Wattsy any harm.

And he's still got a life outside of Rugby. People mature. Wattsy certainly has over the years
There pretty much family now, and I see Wattsy regularly in the Hope And Anchor and he has always behaved himself. Normally 3/4 beers and a game of cards then home. Still wouldn't risk it though :lol:

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by Keithy » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:41 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
Maybe bring Richard Owen back as well. Oh and how about Rangi, we'd be ok for the Christmas Party. :D

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by gateman » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:59 am

if Joe Westerman has at last grown up, I would have him back the lad is still a very good rugby league player,

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by heritage1926 » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:15 am

nottinghamtiger wrote:Westerman and Watts in the same environment on a daily basis is not a good idea.
They still knock about daily. Wattsy is engaged to Westermans sister.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by westyorkylad » Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:25 pm

mdean wrote:
nottinghamtiger wrote:
westyorkylad wrote:The fact is that in the modern game of RL the loose forward is little more than another prop, I cannot see this changing in the near future with the reduction of interchanges.

The 'play' comes from the 4 x pivots which are the fullback, stand off, scrum half and hooker.

This is not a system that is particular to Cas its basically how all teams operate in the RL of today.

The only team that really bucks this system is Wigan with O'Loughlin, but then love him or loathe him the guy is a freak and runs and tackles like a prop but also fills in regularly as another pivot.

All the forwards, or at least most of them now get involved in link up plays, but it is the Pivots who dictate the play.

Joe Westerman and Currie at Wire are examples of forwards who excel in this role and occasionally go beyond it, they are in the minority for sure.

Asking for halfbacks etc to be played at Loose so you have 5 pivots, with the current number of interchanges allowed would seriously restrict a teams ability to dominate the middle of the park, and as I am sure we all appreciate if you are not in the ascendancy in the middle, then it doesn't matter how good your pivots are you are going to be on the back foot.........

Just my 10 pence worth for what its worth :-"
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I somewhat agree with that, just because everyone sets up a certain way is because everyone has a similar blueprint. You go back probably 25 years when Aus started the umbrella defence and we had always just numbered off, changed the game, everyone did it for a while, then there was units for a while and now we are numbering off long and short side pretty much again.
Depending on your personnel, you can set up differently and move the game along, trends change.

Because defending has got a lot better and more organised, I do think there will be more mobility in attack and have to be more creative to get on outside shoulders or through the line, it might well bring back more classic loose forward play, with a loose and a fullback able to join the shape at either side.

Who do we need? I think we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater a bit at the minute, I don't think we can make a shopping list until we have bodies back and playing fully fit. My biggest worry at the moment is MIllo, if he is unravelling that is a huge space to fill and one you can't buy. Millo took 14 months with injury and adjustment and since that first season has been immense; as I said on another thread, you can't buy leadership, that comes with time.
Don't disagree with the points you make, however I guess the point I am making albeit in a long winded kind of way lol, is that I don't see a return to a ball playing loose forward happening any time soon, as the benefit of an additional pivot (going from 4 to 5) is I feel outweighed by the extra work you would be asking the 4 remaining forwards to do in both attack but especially defence.

As ever only my humble opinion :)

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by mdean » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:05 pm

We are all just sharing our own humble opinions mate, shall we call each other names and be outraged now! That is how it usually goes when people don't exactly agree on a forum!

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by westyorkylad » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:35 pm

mdean wrote:We are all just sharing our own humble opinions mate, shall we call each other names and be outraged now! That is how it usually goes when people don't exactly agree on a forum!
Haha yeah think you've called it there pal :lol:

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by HuddsTigers » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:39 pm

You’re just both rose tinted naysayers. :D
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