Who else do we need?

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by Scoopage » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:30 am

lurcher wrote:
dettoriman wrote:It's irrelevant what we need. We won't be signing anyone else of huge quality. And I would rather not waste our time signing squad players and put some faith in the youth set up.

In an ideal world.

We need David Fifita. Tom Johnstone both who are now tied to long deals at Wakey.

As well as a ball playing top quality back rower/loose. In the Ben Currie mould.

And get shot of Rankin and Ellis and sign Jackson Hastings as Luke Gales replacement long term

We aren't gonna get them. Or anything close to that quality.

We've just made a huge song and dance about someone who's been playing reserve grade in Aus lately.
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by fords » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:52 am

RonnieGibbs'forearm wrote:
fords wrote:
Casmoley wrote:
SREGITSAC wrote:Very good honest interview with Wells on Tigers TV about recruitment and the process they are going through looking at requirements up to 2022

You wouldn’t like to be minikin or Egodo listening to that interview. Can’t see much of a future at Cas for either.
What's been said like ?
Wells says Blair is the new starting centre. He has not come to bring competition for places.
I should hope so too.

Egodo and Aston will go. That will leave us with Eden, Clare, Minikin and Gill for the wings assuming we keep the latter 2 beyond this year.

Be nice to have a top class right winger too though
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by fords » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:53 am

dettoriman wrote:It's irrelevant what we need. We won't be signing anyone else of huge quality. And I would rather not waste our time signing squad players and put some faith in the youth set up.

In an ideal world.

We need David Fifita. Tom Johnstone both who are now tied to long deals at Wakey.

As well as a ball playing top quality back rower/loose. In the Ben Currie mould.

And get shot of Rankin and Ellis and sign Jackson Hastings as Luke Gales replacement long term

We aren't gonna get them. Or anything close to that quality.

We've just made a huge song and dance about someone who's been playing reserve grade in Aus lately.
"As well as a ball playing top quality back rower/loose"

Really we have 6 backrowers already, how many more do you want ?

Milner and Massey play 13

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by fords » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:54 am

lurcher wrote:
dettoriman wrote:It's irrelevant what we need. We won't be signing anyone else of huge quality. And I would rather not waste our time signing squad players and put some faith in the youth set up.

In an ideal world.

We need David Fifita. Tom Johnstone both who are now tied to long deals at Wakey.

As well as a ball playing top quality back rower/loose. In the Ben Currie mould.

And get shot of Rankin and Ellis and sign Jackson Hastings as Luke Gales replacement long term

We aren't gonna get them. Or anything close to that quality.

We've just made a huge song and dance about someone who's been playing reserve grade in Aus lately.
and you know this? no you don't and i'm telling you you will be surprised.
Sounds like somebody knows something :-k :-k

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by tigerfeat » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:02 am

Tigerade wrote:It's a bit like fantasy football on here. "Get rid of Mr X and sign Mr Z". "We need 3 more players" blah.blah.blah.

There's something called the salary cap in rugby league that prevents you from having a shopping list of players. Time for a few supporters to get in the real world.
I think at least one more good player will come in with gale back and players who were just not good enough gone the squad we will have for the 2020 season should be very strong indeed
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by dettoriman » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:46 am

fords wrote:
dettoriman wrote:It's irrelevant what we need. We won't be signing anyone else of huge quality. And I would rather not waste our time signing squad players and put some faith in the youth set up.

In an ideal world.

We need David Fifita. Tom Johnstone both who are now tied to long deals at Wakey.

As well as a ball playing top quality back rower/loose. In the Ben Currie mould.

And get shot of Rankin and Ellis and sign Jackson Hastings as Luke Gales replacement long term

We aren't gonna get them. Or anything close to that quality.

We've just made a huge song and dance about someone who's been playing reserve grade in Aus lately.
"As well as a ball playing top quality back rower/loose"

Really we have 6 backrowers already, how many more do you want ?

Milner and Massey play 13
I want a 13. Not a player filling in there.

As mentioned. A Westerman style player at 13.

And I hope I am wrong about us not getting the right quality. But I doubt we will. They all cost decent money and we are trying to get by on the cheap and signing when that fails. Rather than been pro-active.

I'd say we are 4 players away from been bang favourites to be in a grand final.

We also need to be forward thinking in replacing key players on our team in future years. Plan for Millo. Shenton when they decide to hang up their boots. That's a couple of years away. But get plans in place to replace them.
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by nottinghamtiger » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:05 pm

I’d lose Rankin and bring in Hastings. Play him at 13 (I know that’s controversial) with Gale and Trueman in the halves and see him as Galey’s long-term replacement (though Luke could have a good number of years left).
Alex Walker looks like a great player down at London and he’s out of contract. Can play at full back or on the wing, I’d get him on our right edge and use him as cover at FB if Mata’utia gets injured or we need Mata’utia to cover either Blair or Shenton in the centres.
Ruthless I know, but Minikin can go for me now we have Blair.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by RonnieGibbs'forearm » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:11 pm

fords wrote:
lurcher wrote:
dettoriman wrote:It's irrelevant what we need. We won't be signing anyone else of huge quality. And I would rather not waste our time signing squad players and put some faith in the youth set up.

In an ideal world.

We need David Fifita. Tom Johnstone both who are now tied to long deals at Wakey.

As well as a ball playing top quality back rower/loose. In the Ben Currie mould.

And get shot of Rankin and Ellis and sign Jackson Hastings as Luke Gales replacement long term

We aren't gonna get them. Or anything close to that quality.

We've just made a huge song and dance about someone who's been playing reserve grade in Aus lately.
and you know this? no you don't and i'm telling you you will be surprised.
Sounds like somebody knows something :-k :-k
Powell hasn't used the loose as a ball player. Just uses as an extra prop or second rower.
He uses Watts and Millo as make shift alternating pivots more than anyone like Massey, Jesse, Foster etc who have played loose.
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by tigerfeat » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:16 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:I’d lose Rankin and bring in Hastings. Play him at 13 (I know that’s controversial) with Gale and Trueman in the halves and see him as Galey’s long-term replacement (though Luke could have a good number of years left).
Alex Walker looks like a great player down at London and he’s out of contract. Can play at full back or on the wing, I’d get him on our right edge and use him as cover at FB if Mata’utia gets injured or we need Mata’utia to cover either Blair or Shenton in the centres.
Ruthless I know, but Minikin can go for me now we have Blair.
Agree on Walker he as a touch of class could be anything in the game in the years ahead
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by westyorkylad » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:37 pm

The fact is that in the modern game of RL the loose forward is little more than another prop, I cannot see this changing in the near future with the reduction of interchanges.

The 'play' comes from the 4 x pivots which are the fullback, stand off, scrum half and hooker.

This is not a system that is particular to Cas its basically how all teams operate in the RL of today.

The only team that really bucks this system is Wigan with O'Loughlin, but then love him or loathe him the guy is a freak and runs and tackles like a prop but also fills in regularly as another pivot.

All the forwards, or at least most of them now get involved in link up plays, but it is the Pivots who dictate the play.

Joe Westerman and Currie at Wire are examples of forwards who excel in this role and occasionally go beyond it, they are in the minority for sure.

Asking for halfbacks etc to be played at Loose so you have 5 pivots, with the current number of interchanges allowed would seriously restrict a teams ability to dominate the middle of the park, and as I am sure we all appreciate if you are not in the ascendancy in the middle, then it doesn't matter how good your pivots are you are going to be on the back foot.........

Just my 10 pence worth for what its worth :-"

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by HuddsTigers » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:39 pm

How many actual 13s playing 13?

Saints line up with Knowles (who is a prop), Warrington with Hughes last week (who is a back rower).

There's only two genuine looses in the comp left - Westerman and O'Loughlin. Playing with this set-up got us to a Grand Final. We don't need dramatic changes, just key recruits in certain areas.
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by nottinghamtiger » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:01 pm

westyorkylad wrote:The fact is that in the modern game of RL the loose forward is little more than another prop, I cannot see this changing in the near future with the reduction of interchanges.

The 'play' comes from the 4 x pivots which are the fullback, stand off, scrum half and hooker.

This is not a system that is particular to Cas its basically how all teams operate in the RL of today.

The only team that really bucks this system is Wigan with O'Loughlin, but then love him or loathe him the guy is a freak and runs and tackles like a prop but also fills in regularly as another pivot.

All the forwards, or at least most of them now get involved in link up plays, but it is the Pivots who dictate the play.

Joe Westerman and Currie at Wire are examples of forwards who excel in this role and occasionally go beyond it, they are in the minority for sure.

Asking for halfbacks etc to be played at Loose so you have 5 pivots, with the current number of interchanges allowed would seriously restrict a teams ability to dominate the middle of the park, and as I am sure we all appreciate if you are not in the ascendancy in the middle, then it doesn't matter how good your pivots are you are going to be on the back foot.........

Just my 10 pence worth for what its worth :-"
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by mdean » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:03 pm

nottinghamtiger wrote:
westyorkylad wrote:The fact is that in the modern game of RL the loose forward is little more than another prop, I cannot see this changing in the near future with the reduction of interchanges.

The 'play' comes from the 4 x pivots which are the fullback, stand off, scrum half and hooker.

This is not a system that is particular to Cas its basically how all teams operate in the RL of today.

The only team that really bucks this system is Wigan with O'Loughlin, but then love him or loathe him the guy is a freak and runs and tackles like a prop but also fills in regularly as another pivot.

All the forwards, or at least most of them now get involved in link up plays, but it is the Pivots who dictate the play.

Joe Westerman and Currie at Wire are examples of forwards who excel in this role and occasionally go beyond it, they are in the minority for sure.

Asking for halfbacks etc to be played at Loose so you have 5 pivots, with the current number of interchanges allowed would seriously restrict a teams ability to dominate the middle of the park, and as I am sure we all appreciate if you are not in the ascendancy in the middle, then it doesn't matter how good your pivots are you are going to be on the back foot.........

Just my 10 pence worth for what its worth :-"
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I somewhat agree with that, just because everyone sets up a certain way is because everyone has a similar blueprint. You go back probably 25 years when Aus started the umbrella defence and we had always just numbered off, changed the game, everyone did it for a while, then there was units for a while and now we are numbering off long and short side pretty much again.
Depending on your personnel, you can set up differently and move the game along, trends change.

Because defending has got a lot better and more organised, I do think there will be more mobility in attack and have to be more creative to get on outside shoulders or through the line, it might well bring back more classic loose forward play, with a loose and a fullback able to join the shape at either side.

Who do we need? I think we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater a bit at the minute, I don't think we can make a shopping list until we have bodies back and playing fully fit. My biggest worry at the moment is MIllo, if he is unravelling that is a huge space to fill and one you can't buy. Millo took 14 months with injury and adjustment and since that first season has been immense; as I said on another thread, you can't buy leadership, that comes with time.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by derbystiger » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:17 pm

HuddsTigers wrote:How many actual 13s playing 13?

Saints line up with Knowles (who is a prop), Warrington with Hughes last week (who is a back rower).

There's only two genuine looses in the comp left - Westerman and O'Loughlin. Playing with this set-up got us to a Grand Final. We don't need dramatic changes, just key recruits in certain areas.
The last true 13 we had was Nikau in my opinion. What a lot of us, including me, class as a loose just don't exist too much in the game these days unfortunately.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by nottinghamtiger » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:33 pm

derbystiger wrote:
HuddsTigers wrote:How many actual 13s playing 13?

Saints line up with Knowles (who is a prop), Warrington with Hughes last week (who is a back rower).

There's only two genuine looses in the comp left - Westerman and O'Loughlin. Playing with this set-up got us to a Grand Final. We don't need dramatic changes, just key recruits in certain areas.
The last true 13 we had was Nikau in my opinion. What a lot of us, including me, class as a loose just don't exist too much in the game these days unfortunately.
Vowles. Whilst known for his defence, his short passing game on both edges was very strong and that flat long-range bullet-pass he could produce to the left was as good as I’ve seen.

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