Who else do we need?

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by old cas lass » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:32 pm

derbystiger wrote:
TiGR wrote: Where do we think we are money-wise now?
Back up to the cap? Gales dispensation money also gone on Blair?
I think we should still have Gales dispensation available if we can afford/want to use it. Roberts money should be paying for Blair I would reckon?

I have a feeling the gale money won’t be used.
I think the club are holding on to him playing some part at the end of the season.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by derbystiger » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:37 pm

old cas lass wrote:
derbystiger wrote:
TiGR wrote: Where do we think we are money-wise now?
Back up to the cap? Gales dispensation money also gone on Blair?
I think we should still have Gales dispensation available if we can afford/want to use it. Roberts money should be paying for Blair I would reckon?

I have a feeling the gale money won’t be used.
I think the club are holding on to him playing some part at the end of the season.
I have the same feeling to be honest, although I don’t know if I agree with him coming back before next season. Could do more harm than good, but only the player and medical staff can make that decision I suppose.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by Sharlotiger » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:41 pm

I can't see us getting up there with Saints or Wire anytime in the near future. We can bring in the odd player as big earners finish but until we take our youth structure seriously and are able to bring in the top juniors and develop them we will always be behind the top sides who can produce quality youngsters.
Hopefully we can attract better quality kids once we get a new ground and training facilities that are appropriate for professional sports team.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by derbystiger » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:42 pm

Sharlotiger wrote:I can't see us getting up there with Saints or Wire anytime in the near future. We can bring in the odd player as big earners finish but until we take our youth structure seriously and are able to bring in the top juniors and develop them we will always be behind the top sides who can produce quality youngsters.
Hopefully we can attract better quality kids once we get a new ground and training facilities that are appropriate for professional sports team.
Is it that we can’t attract quality youngsters or is it how we treat our youngsters that makes them go elsewhere??

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by tigerfeat » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:46 pm

Sharlotiger wrote:I can't see us getting up there with Saints or Wire anytime in the near future. We can bring in the odd player as big earners finish but until we take our youth structure seriously and are able to bring in the top juniors and develop them we will always be behind the top sides who can produce quality youngsters.
Hopefully we can attract better quality kids once we get a new ground and training facilities that are appropriate for professional sports team.
How many players in the current warrington starting 17 came through there youth system ?
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by Fumper27 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:47 pm

tigerfeat wrote:
Sharlotiger wrote:I can't see us getting up there with Saints or Wire anytime in the near future. We can bring in the odd player as big earners finish but until we take our youth structure seriously and are able to bring in the top juniors and develop them we will always be behind the top sides who can produce quality youngsters.
Hopefully we can attract better quality kids once we get a new ground and training facilities that are appropriate for professional sports team.
How many players in the current warrington starting 17 came through there youth system ?
From Fridays game:
Cooper
Patton
King
Philbin
Currie

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by tigerfeat » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:51 pm

Yeah that's a good return didn't think a couple of them came from there youth system
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by HuddsTigers » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:54 pm

derbystiger wrote:
Sharlotiger wrote:I can't see us getting up there with Saints or Wire anytime in the near future. We can bring in the odd player as big earners finish but until we take our youth structure seriously and are able to bring in the top juniors and develop them we will always be behind the top sides who can produce quality youngsters.
Hopefully we can attract better quality kids once we get a new ground and training facilities that are appropriate for professional sports team.
Is it that we can’t attract quality youngsters or is it how we treat our youngsters that makes them go elsewhere??
It will always be a combination of factors. Players will look at best chance of progressing to the first team but ultimately most will always follow the sniff of money, education, coaching prospects, wellbeing and coaching, as well as facilities.

For us, we have to try and pay more and even then it may not be good enough because we fall down on the other areas. Leeds for example can partner with colleges and have 3 unis on their doorstep. We're behind big city clubs in this regard.
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by Sharlotiger » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:55 pm

Fumper27 wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:
Sharlotiger wrote:I can't see us getting up there with Saints or Wire anytime in the near future. We can bring in the odd player as big earners finish but until we take our youth structure seriously and are able to bring in the top juniors and develop them we will always be behind the top sides who can produce quality youngsters.
Hopefully we can attract better quality kids once we get a new ground and training facilities that are appropriate for professional sports team.
How many players in the current warrington starting 17 came through there youth system ?
From Fridays game:
Cooper
Patton
King
Philbin
Currie
Add to that the very talented Harvey Livett. The question is why are the top rated juniors this side of the Pennines preferring to join Wire and we are not in the hunt? I'm sure not only better pay but top class coaching and excellent facilities must play a huge part in these young lads decisions.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by tigerfeat » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:58 pm

I was just going to say to the post before it's not just about money and facilities I'm sure there a factor but we don't give the young players much of a chance young gill a perfect example
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by HuddsTigers » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:34 pm

It seems like a good success rate but Cooper came through in 2006. So in the past 13 years, Warrington have managed to bring through a total of 5/6 homegrown first team players? That's abysmal for me. Only one other I can name from Warrington is Kevin Penny. Are there any more? I'm sure there may be but only in the Championship.

In the same timeframe we've brought through:

James Clare
Greg Eden
Daryl Clark
Joe Westerman
Oli Holmes
Adam Milner
Nathan Massey
Tom Holmes
Jordan Thompson
Joe Arundel
Ben Reynolds

Plus people like Matty Dawson and Liam Watts who started out in the Cas academy, who are all at SL clubs.

Plus likes of Maher, Gill, Turner, and Jacques O'Neill who have all made their debuts for us. I actually don't think we're bad. If anything it reflects badly on Warrington that they spend on short-term than invest in youth in their own area, especially when Widnes are putting them to shame in this regard up the road.
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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by drleftie » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:46 pm

KB80 wrote:Potentially a top class winger and Gale back.

Alternatively (and a bit controversial), another full back. I like Peanut as a player but aren't entirely sure that he suits Powells/our recent style.

We've played a best rugby with Dorn or Hardaker at full back. Both are/were extremely quick, athletic and inteligent attacking players. Imo our attack has looked stunted since Hardakers ban (Gales injuries have obviously contributed). Peanut undoudetly is probably our best current option at full back and certainly a player with a place in the team but....

A back line of:
New Full back, Blair, Peanut, Shenton, Eden would be extremely interesting (maybe even Rankin at full back could be worth a shout, half backs permitting).

Been saying the same. Matautia is solid & does well in the role of a traditional fb but we looked much better with Dorn & Hardaker.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by heritage1926 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:51 pm

HuddsTigers wrote:It seems like a good success rate but Cooper came through in 2006. So in the past 13 years, Warrington have managed to bring through a total of 5/6 homegrown first team players? That's abysmal for me. Only one other I can name from Warrington is Kevin Penny. Are there any more? I'm sure there may be but only in the Championship.

In the same timeframe we've brought through:

James Clare
Greg Eden
Daryl Clark
Joe Westerman
Oli Holmes
Adam Milner
Nathan Massey
Tom Holmes
Jordan Thompson
Joe Arundel
Ben Reynolds

Plus people like Matty Dawson and Liam Watts who started out in the Cas academy, who are all at SL clubs.

Plus likes of Maher, Gill, Turner, and Jacques O'Neill who have all made their debuts for us. I actually don't think we're bad. If anything it reflects badly on Warrington that they spend on short-term than invest in youth in their own area, especially when Widnes are putting them to shame in this regard up the road.
Plenty knocking about in the lower leagues too. Richie Owen, John Davies, Ryan Brierley etc.

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by flow » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:10 pm

The castleford junior coach pointed out the other day , theys not as many kids playing in the cas district as they used to be .Less to pick from

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Re: Who else do we need?

Post by Sharlotiger » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:12 pm

heritage1926 wrote:
HuddsTigers wrote:It seems like a good success rate but Cooper came through in 2006. So in the past 13 years, Warrington have managed to bring through a total of 5/6 homegrown first team players? That's abysmal for me. Only one other I can name from Warrington is Kevin Penny. Are there any more? I'm sure there may be but only in the Championship.

In the same timeframe we've brought through:

James Clare
Greg Eden
Daryl Clark
Joe Westerman
Oli Holmes
Adam Milner
Nathan Massey
Tom Holmes
Jordan Thompson
Joe Arundel
Ben Reynolds

Plus people like Matty Dawson and Liam Watts who started out in the Cas academy, who are all at SL clubs.

Plus likes of Maher, Gill, Turner, and Jacques O'Neill who have all made their debuts for us. I actually don't think we're bad. If anything it reflects badly on Warrington that they spend on short-term than invest in youth in their own area, especially when Widnes are putting them to shame in this regard up the road.
Plenty knocking about in the lower leagues too. Richie Owen, John Davies, Ryan Brierley etc.
How many have come through on Powells watch that have gone on to be SL regulars either with us or elsewhere?

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