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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by mystery » 28 Dec 2018, 19:12

Smudger wrote:Try to be positive. Six short years ago we were the whipping boys of Super League, a few weeks away from administration, being hammered by most teams and here we are today, seen as a genuine top four club, a match for most opposition teams. We've got a bit of silverware on the shelf, a Wembley final and a SL Grand Final on our c.v. but I guess if that doesn't make you happy, not much will.

A mate of mine worked for Bradford in their glory years and he told me the season after they'd won the treble and then won the World Club Challenge (2004) the fans were still complaining... That their strip was too white!

Says it all I guess. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by tigerfeat » 28 Dec 2018, 19:17

mystery wrote:
Mojoxc wrote:As a life long cas fan, we should be happy and optimistic.

Unfortunately that’s not the case.

We are getting everything right on the pitch and have the best coach in super league.

The new ground will never happen.

We have owners that have no interest in the club, they are even testing the market to sell the ground for housing etc.

Then below them.....Mark Gratten is now paying himself £88k and his pathetic sincede kick Pell £50k.........are you having a [REMOVED] laugh!!

No it gets worse Gratten then employs his kids in the club shop.

You may have seen the club’s website about the agm.......it was a complete sham, Foulton has issued himself a load more shares but not legally.......... don’t get me wrong he’s not that bright and spent a lot of money on lawyer.

No idea what we do but thought you deserved to know.[/quote
That would be the lawyer that was there to speak when robbo got up to have his say I would imagine
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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by Lofthouse Tiger » 28 Dec 2018, 22:19

Would that be the same lawyer that told the AGM that the loan owed to the Fultons WOULD be paid in full on the death of either of the 2 Fultons when Ian Fulton had already said that this was not the case a couple of minutes earlier? One of them is not correct, any guesses as to which one?

Did you also think it was right to ask another shareholder if he was an idiot or to call another one a ponce in front of everyone?

If anyone thinks that everything is ok with how the BOD have done things then good luck to you all but we are heading towards a very tough time in the next few years at BOD level.

My only serious question is, asked it a few times but nobody seems to know or at least if anyone does nobody is saying, when the loan of 2.4, as it stands now, is paid back will all the "FREE"shares issued be void? Are these shares just to gain and keep control or are they actually worth any money? If the shares are void then I would feel better about the future as this would mean the loans to the Fultons will be paid back, as they should and will be. No problem with that at all.

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by mystery » 29 Dec 2018, 10:09

I was at the AGM and it wasn’t a sham, well probably for the three who were doing all the spouting, and didn’t like being told some home truths, and as for idiot and pounce, don’t recall the pounce bit, but why don’t you say what the “Idiot”is supposed to have said first? There posts are all very ‘one way’. It’s Mark Grattan that’s turned this club around as well as the coach, finished third, and still people moan, financially we did better than the so called big clubs, and still they moan! Hadn’t been on here for awhile, that’s me finished again until the bitterness ends.

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Post by fords » 29 Dec 2018, 12:03

mystery wrote:I was at the AGM and it wasn’t a sham, well probably for the three who were doing all the spouting, and didn’t like being told some home truths, and as for idiot and pounce, don’t recall the pounce bit, but why don’t you say what the “Idiot”is supposed to have said first? There posts are all very ‘one way’. It’s Mark Grattan that’s turned this club around as well as the coach, finished third, and still people moan, financially we did better than the so called big clubs, and still they moan! Hadn’t been on here for awhile, that’s me finished again until the bitterness ends.
As you say it seems if it comes from Robbo or a certain few others its selective posting that puts the club and people running it in a bad light.

if your going to tell us something at least tell the whole story so people can make up there own minds fairly.

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by yorky » 29 Dec 2018, 12:52

mystery wrote:I was at the AGM and it wasn’t a sham, well probably for the three who were doing all the spouting, and didn’t like being told some home truths, and as for idiot and pounce, don’t recall the pounce bit, but why don’t you say what the “Idiot”is supposed to have said first? There posts are all very ‘one way’. It’s Mark Grattan that’s turned this club around as well as the coach, finished third, and still people moan, financially we did better than the so called big clubs, and still they moan! Hadn’t been on here for awhile, that’s me finished again until the bitterness ends.
thanks mystery for some positive spin on the events at the AGM as i too though the club was going forward, with record profits last year & success on the field, what more could we wish for? (new ground i know) but until then we can live in hope as we have had to all the 60 years i have supported the club. :pray:

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by Lofthouse Tiger » 30 Dec 2018, 13:43

The club are going forward in many ways. On the field, financially and the players and coaches are all settled.

All this is down to DP in my view. The finances are only as good due to the on field product, this would be the same at most clubs.If we are winning, playing outstanding and most of all challenging for trophies that will always increase revenue due to attendances and the add ons from the attendance.

You only have to look at Widnes to see how the opposite I’ll happen.

I just feel that decisions being made at BOD level are not in the interests of the club as much as they should be.

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by SREGITSAC » 30 Dec 2018, 17:06

You say that the profit is only because of the on field performance but some of the top performing teams, e.g Wigan are currently making losses so it’s not all about the product, some of the good fortune comes from the running behind the scenes.

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by lurcher » 30 Dec 2018, 17:23

SREGITSAC wrote:You say that the profit is only because of the on field performance but some of the top performing teams, e.g Wigan are currently making losses so it’s not all about the product, some of the good fortune comes from the running behind the scenes.
i get where you are coming from but wigan get huge attendances compared to us so it always puzzles me why they make such huge losses as they are supposed to be tied by the salary cap. i can only think that its the rent they pay on the dw must be very high and i'm given to understand that at present there is a lot of ill feeling between lenagan and whelan. the other thing that was noticable at this years semi was how few wigan fans were wearing cherry and white when our end was a wall of black and amber/orange.
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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by Lofthouse Tiger » 30 Dec 2018, 19:48

The behind the scenes team may do a good job but if the on field product was poor and we were bottom 2/3 team then they wouldn’t have much to work with. This is why I said what I said.

Not knocking what the marketing team do as that side is much better than it was but we still miss the odd trick now and then.

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by SREGITSAC » 30 Dec 2018, 21:10

It’s don’t mean the marketing team, the guys running the show and making the decisions

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by Robbo » 30 Dec 2018, 22:56

The AGM was so good that we never voted on last year’s minutes

Also Ian was wrong in his point as Lofthouse has pointed out.

Voting was and is a waste of time when they vote to issue even more shares for nothing.

When the team hit a sticky patch then will be time to judge.

There are too many good people being fobbed off by the control freaks.
It’s sad but it will all end badly in my opinion
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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by Lofthouse Tiger » 31 Dec 2018, 00:55

For me there is an awful lot of the future of the club riding on the new stadium as this appears to be the only way the Fulton’s can be repaid. In the current climate of brexit, and any other excuses, I can’t see the investment of the new stadium going ahead. The longer it takes the more I feel things will only become very difficult to move forward with any confidence.

On field is going well and could be sustained for the next few years. Better decisions are being made and more people are doing more for the club and all appears well. We are in a good place in many areas just now. Long may this continue.

In view of how some things have been done regarding shares and the way the control of the club has been handed to one person I am not so sure that in the next 5 years thingsi will be as good as they are just now.

I do not like or agree with the way the club has more or less been handed on a plate to one person and for this I see one man as the big reason why. Too many unanswered questions for me and Ibfeel we will never find out until it’s too late. I have no issue with the loans owed but the way things are being handled is very very poor in my view. We shall see.

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by Tigerade » 31 Dec 2018, 15:05

All this doom and gloom must be contagious. It hasn't gone unnoticed by our near neighbor's over t'common :-

http://retro.rlfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=620629

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by tigerfeat » 01 Jan 2019, 11:05

I've no problem with people questioning things we should always be looking to be better rarther than saying look how well we've done last few years
Doubt we will ever have a chance like this again with the coach we have the squad we've got the fantastic support we have for a town of just over 40,000 people and the chance of a new ground
Happy New year everybody
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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by JIN JER » 02 Jan 2019, 17:33

Robbo wrote:The AGM was so good that we never voted on last year’s minutes

Also Ian was wrong in his point as Lofthouse has pointed out.

Voting was and is a waste of time when they vote to issue even more shares for nothing.

When the team hit a sticky patch then will be time to judge.

There are too many good people being fobbed off by the control freaks.
It’s sad but it will all end badly in my opinion
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You obviously know far more about this than the majority on here Robbo, so can you explain to me and probably others, if Cas hit this "sticky patch" what do you think will happen? What is the nightmare scenario? Not on a wind up here just interested to see what you think will happen and why?

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by Lofthouse Tiger » 02 Jan 2019, 17:50

If we have a bad season, most teams could have this scenario, then the consequences are falling attendances. If we have a bad run with injuries, as any team could, this will also impact their n things.

The big problem I feel is if the new stadium doesn’t happen, why does anyone think it will just now with the state of the country and brexit issues, this is where things get sticky for want of another phrase. No new ground, stay at WR will mean there isn’t any money to improve it. If the loans outstanding are called in then unless there is anyone out there willing to pay the current owner then we are either out of business or the current continues to keep the loan in place.

When you hear what he has done so far this for me is far more worrying than having a bad season or two. If we have a bad season or two and there isn’t any money to improve the squad, as the current situation appears to be, then would the coach stay in place? If not then what?

Having said this I feel we have the coach to win us trophies, the players if we stay fit can challenge and the crowds should be good if these two things happen. We have had some good years since DP was put in place and he seems to be a loyal kind of guy so for me looking good just now.

It’s the off field antics that are the concern for me. Do I trust IF and the BOD? No I don’t, not one bit.

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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by Robbo » 02 Jan 2019, 19:22

I worry the BOD is no longer balanced in the sense they have removed shareholders.
As there is little that I can do it’s a case of enjoying the match and let them get on with it.
We have no plan b and the ground is not going to happen in my opinion.
So we need some serious cash very soon
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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by alftupper » 02 Jan 2019, 20:43

Robbo wrote:I worry the BOD is no longer balanced in the sense they have removed shareholders.
As there is little that I can do it’s a case of enjoying the match and let them get on with it.
We have no plan b and the ground is not going to happen in my opinion.
So we need some serious cash very soon
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Re: Not where we want to be

Post by Tycho Nestoris » 04 Jan 2019, 10:10

Lofthouse Tiger wrote:If we have a bad season, most teams could have this scenario, then the consequences are falling attendances. If we have a bad run with injuries, as any team could, this will also impact their n things.

The big problem I feel is if the new stadium doesn’t happen, why does anyone think it will just now with the state of the country and brexit issues, this is where things get sticky for want of another phrase. No new ground, stay at WR will mean there isn’t any money to improve it. If the loans outstanding are called in then unless there is anyone out there willing to pay the current owner then we are either out of business or the current continues to keep the loan in place.

When you hear what he has done so far this for me is far more worrying than having a bad season or two. If we have a bad season or two and there isn’t any money to improve the squad, as the current situation appears to be, then would the coach stay in place? If not then what?

Having said this I feel we have the coach to win us trophies, the players if we stay fit can challenge and the crowds should be good if these two things happen. We have had some good years since DP was put in place and he seems to be a loyal kind of guy so for me looking good just now.

It’s the off field antics that are the concern for me. Do I trust IF and the BOD? No I don’t, not one bit.
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