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Re: New Ground for Cas or NOT !

Post by flow » 24 Jul 2019, 10:15

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tigerfeat wrote:I found it sad yesterday not just with the shops situation I must have been asked 4 or 5 times by people who looked out of it on drugs or drink for money I told one of them id no change he said F off then and have a nice day ha
Another fella was stood in the middle of road looked like he was trying to get himself run over
Maybe I picked a bad day but I just thought to mesen shouldn't be like this
That’s a standard day mate I’m afraid.like a scene from walking dead most days
Since starting turning all builders and old pubs into flats for x cons and smack heads all these dodgy polish romanian shops what shooting down selling cheap imported alcohol to these losers

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Post by 43s flyer » 24 Jul 2019, 11:54

Cas and surrounding areas started going into decline after the pits were shut.

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Post by cogito ergo sum » 24 Jul 2019, 13:06

Town centre decline is common throughout the country as people’s shopping habits change. Amazon, Next on line, ebay have grown massively. Add to that the point about coal mining areas declining, plus other communities dependent on industry such as steel, etc, pressure is on retailers to change. M&S are not only closing stores, they are putting new ones in strategic sites out of towns where people go shopping for a day out rather than because they are shopping from necessity, so there is still the need for development.
If people used town centres, they wouldn’t have declined. Supermarkets started the trend, technology has continued it.

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Post by HuddsTigers » 24 Jul 2019, 13:18

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tigerfeat wrote:How things have changed in cas from 40 years or so go in the town centre
Take out the banks charity shops pawnbroker type shops bookies ( two or which will be closing in the next month or so ) not a great deal will soon remain
Sadly also down to the demographic of people in Cas, and WMDC, as a whole.

All the big shops and main brands go to Leeds because it's higher earning, more affluent and have more disposable income. Bigger population, bigger footfall. Polar opposites to WMDC where it's low income jobs, service jobs, and people have to scrimp and save.

If ever WMDC wants to compete, it has to put together a coherent plan as to how they can make the district attractive to retailers financially, how it can appeal businesses to move into the area, and how they would turn town centres into entertainment venues almost.
Leeds does have a thriving commercial heart with strong finance, banking and insurance sectors and was Britain’s fastest growing city in 2016. Yet, the city also has some of the country’s poorest neighbourhoods and at one time was ranked 3rd most deprived city in England.
I would hardly call Gipton, Harehills, Chapletown, Armley, Halton Moor, Beeston, Hunslet, Seacroft, Hawksworth etc affluent.
You're right - it does some have areas that are less than glamorous but that goes without saying for most cities. Most of the areas you mention now are being invested in by people buying properties, doing them up and then renting them out to professionals and/or students.
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Post by tigerfeat » 24 Jul 2019, 13:21

flow wrote:
Scoopage wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:I found it sad yesterday not just with the shops situation I must have been asked 4 or 5 times by people who looked out of it on drugs or drink for money I told one of them id no change he said F off then and have a nice day ha
Another fella was stood in the middle of road looked like he was trying to get himself run over
Maybe I picked a bad day but I just thought to mesen shouldn't be like this
That’s a standard day mate I’m afraid.like a scene from walking dead most days
Since starting turning all builders and old pubs into flats for x cons and smack heads all these dodgy polish romanian shops what shooting down selling cheap imported alcohol to these losers
There's certainly a different atmosphere in the town than there used to be ...most places will be the same I imagine tho in these days
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Post by mdean » 24 Jul 2019, 14:52

it is interesting, I live away now in a small town in Leicestershire, I travel back regularly that being said.

I have to say I used to live in the houses near Xscape and thought at the time that Jct 32 and Xscape would be a permanent change, but the world and retail have changed so much since that it is a struggle to fill units in the most attractive locations, goodness only knows how hard It is to run a shop in the town centre.
The genesis of the problems is open to debate of course, but it is far from a short term fix.

One would think it unlikely with the availability of real estate in this area that a new development across the road from two venues not already fully populated would be unlikely as others have mentioned.

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Post by Robbo » 27 Jul 2019, 19:39

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Robbo wrote:I can’t find any property co who want exposure to retail.
Everyone is reducing if they can.
We were late with the supermarket and it’s a fair chance we have missed the boat again.
Fingers crossed I am wrong but my word it’s no more than a 10% chance
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I think with 40 plus years in the industry and a load of assets in shops and commercial property I can read the situation.
If parking was free towns would have a chance.
Until that happens the decline continues.
Now we have on line.
It’s my view.
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Post by corvusxiii » 27 Jul 2019, 23:57

I think with 40 plus years in the industry and a load of assets in shops and commercial property I can read the situation. 
If parking was free towns would have a chance. 
Until that happens the decline continues.
Now we have on line. 
It’s my view.

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Post by gateman » 28 Jul 2019, 09:15

councils make millions on towns car parks, but at the expense of shops closing, so losing business rates as you give people less reason to go into town so the car parks income will drop, as its been said online shopping as also given the shops a big hit

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Post by HuddsTigers » 28 Jul 2019, 10:58

Making car parking free will have zero effect. There is absolutely nothing attractive about shopping in Cas.

People would rather spend £4 on a train journey to Leeds than 60p for an hour in Cas.

Reality is that it is the shops and attracting shops back into town centres that is going to make a difference. Parking and such like only adds to that.

A lot of people have grown up here in different generations to Millennials and Gen Z. Young people are the ones you need to target and free parking isn’t going to change that.

It’s modern retail offering, event and experiential shopping. When was the last time Cas town Centre had anything as basic as a food festival, beer festival or anything like that?

Our council is run by outdated people and it desperately needs young people with fresh ideas and who have grown up in the modern day era to do something about it.
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Post by TheSheriff » 28 Jul 2019, 11:29

Yeah, free parking would do nothing for the town centre because 90% of the shops are complete garbage and not worth going to.
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Post by Dez » 28 Jul 2019, 11:46

In reality free parking would attract people. People numbers attract new businesses. New business attract customers. Its the circle of retail.

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Post by lurcher » 29 Jul 2019, 01:29

all around cas town centre is densely populated and people can easily walk there. at the time of the smawhtorne regeneration project i think they quoted there were 2,000 houses within 10 minutes walk of cas town center.
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Post by Robbo » 29 Jul 2019, 23:19

Dez wrote:In reality free parking would attract people. People numbers attract new businesses. New business attract customers. Its the circle of retail.
Correct. The cycle has to start by removing reasons why people don’t shop in towns.
I disagree that there is nothing in the town. Clearly if business was there more shops open.
The supermarkets have free parking and are busy. What can you buy there that you cannot in the town?
Fresh bread/ meat/ veg everything that u can buy but probably cheaper and in many cases better quality.

There should be enough free parking limited to 4 hours to service the town.
As for what they the councils make it’s far less than you think. Aire street has been free for weeks since the machine was vandalised . Be brave and try it.

Anyway it’s off topic to if there is the appetite for more out of town. My view says not.
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Post by gateman » 30 Jul 2019, 08:21

in an effort to keep people longer in the town Carlton lanes have made it a minimum charge of £1 for two hours i only pop in and out so now i am paying an extra 40p for something i dont want

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Post by old cas lass » 30 Jul 2019, 08:42

gateman wrote:in an effort to keep people longer in the town Carlton lanes have made it a minimum charge of £1 for two hours i only pop in and out so now i am paying an extra 40p for something i dont want
I’ve stopped parking there for that reason.
I park on castlefields now, 70p for 1 hour.
I’m in town no longer than 30/40 mins.

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Post by Tigerade » 30 Jul 2019, 10:23

I refuse to pay for parking full stop. I do have the option to walk into town (about 20 mins) but rarely go there. Other than the bank, Wilko's or B&M that's it for me. Nothing worth going into town for - not even for a browse round. Until it's cleaned up from drunkards, ex-cons, druggies and Polish/Lithuanian drop-outs my mind will not change.

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Post by tigerfeat » 30 Jul 2019, 10:30

Tigerade wrote:I refuse to pay for parking full stop. I do have the option to walk into town (about 20 mins) but rarely go there. Other than the bank, Wilko's or B&M that's it for me. Nothing worth going into town for - not even for a browse round. Until it's cleaned up from drunkards, ex-cons, druggies and Polish/Lithuanian drop-outs my mind will not change.
add beggars to that list and youve nailed it i wont be going in there unless i have to until its all cleaned up which i doubt it will be anytime soon
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Post by mart0042 » 31 Jul 2019, 09:47

Is the same all over. 2 places I occasionally go Huddersfield and Wakefield are the same. It's a blight in society.

Whereas a shopping centre can keep them out. Like trinity, white rose etc

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Post by tigerfeat » 31 Jul 2019, 10:15

On a lighter note last winter there was a bloke begging outside co-op I went into Greggs and got him a chicken bake and a cup of tea , he looked in bag and said aww I don't like them can you go swop it for a bacon sarnie :)
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