Structure change - can’t be complacent

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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by Nobody » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:33 pm

Don't think our defence needs much work, however our attack has been rubbish, short or ideas and creativity. The left wing and the ball out the back door to the fullback has been way over used and we are so predictable going forward. We need to come up with some new plays / combinations in the off season and hope Trueman takes the 6 shirt from the off. He runs at the line a lot more than Benny or Luke and his kicking game is far superior to Benny. His defence is improving week on week.

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Post by cogito ergo sum » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:31 pm

Nobody wrote:Don't think our defence needs much work, however our attack has been rubbish, short or ideas and creativity. The left wing and the ball out the back door to the fullback has been way over used and we are so predictable going forward. We need to come up with some new plays / combinations in the off season and hope Trueman takes the 6 shirt from the off. He runs at the line a lot more than Benny or Luke and his kicking game is far superior to Benny. His defence is improving week on week.
Only Saints and Wire scored more tries..

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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by Nobody » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:19 pm

cogito ergo sum wrote:
Nobody wrote:Don't think our defence needs much work, however our attack has been rubbish, short or ideas and creativity. The left wing and the ball out the back door to the fullback has been way over used and we are so predictable going forward. We need to come up with some new plays / combinations in the off season and hope Trueman takes the 6 shirt from the off. He runs at the line a lot more than Benny or Luke and his kicking game is far superior to Benny. His defence is improving week on week.
Only Saints and Wire scored more tries..
Yeah just seen that, ignore me lol clearly don't know what I'm on about. Must be that I got used to last season when we were scoring tries for fun :oops:

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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by Lofthouse Tiger » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:35 pm

HuddsTigers wrote:My biggest worry at the moment, which came to me the other day, is a worry that with the structure change from next season it could breed complacency.

As a club, the threat of the bottom 4 has been a real kick up the backside and we have really turned it around. With the risk being reduced significantly (just the one spot), and it may not just be at Cas either, is that we take the foot off the pedal again.

I sincerely hope not but I would hope anyone at the club reading this realises that we need to keep this level of ambition. As fans we don’t want to go back to cheap signings, or players on huge salaries, and mid table mediocrity.
Do you really think that “People at the club” read any of this and listen? Really?

As for cheap signings Hudds isn’t that what we saw last winter?

Totally agree that the fans don’t want what we had u see previous CEOs so let’s hope the new structure works well, I am sure it will.

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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by mart0042 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:03 am

Mysterio wrote:I simply could not go back to contributing / supporting a club pre 2013.it really is that simple for me.
I need to see the club is being managed and run by someone clearly better than what I know I could probably do the job and whom I respect.
It is right now.
We just need to take stock right now of the playing squad and do what is required.
Wowsers, not support your team because of how its run? Surely that doesn't make you a fan of the team but the people that run it?

Why not Leeds, well run, rich owner, will have great facilities? You could buy a shirt with "caddick #1" on the back.

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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by mart0042 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:12 am

As one of the few clubs making money, we might be OK for a while. Our gain would be the fall of other clubs. It suddenly makes Toronto and their money much more important.

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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by tigerfeat » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:20 am

mart0042 wrote:As one of the few clubs making money, we might be OK for a while. Our gain would be the fall of other clubs. It suddenly makes Toronto and their money much more important.
We've got to make the most of the moment if we don't we will start to go back
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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by mart0042 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:44 am

tigerfeat wrote:
mart0042 wrote:As one of the few clubs making money, we might be OK for a while. Our gain would be the fall of other clubs. It suddenly makes Toronto and their money much more important.
We've got to make the most of the moment if we don't we will start to go back
Fully agree. We should get quality in over quantity. I rather lose 5 and get 2 starters. We have a strong squad and good juniors ready to step up.

Webbo, jy. Qlt, Douglas who we know are going /gone, plus maybe 2 other squad players

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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by HuddsTigers » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:45 pm

Lofthouse Tiger wrote:
HuddsTigers wrote:My biggest worry at the moment, which came to me the other day, is a worry that with the structure change from next season it could breed complacency.

As a club, the threat of the bottom 4 has been a real kick up the backside and we have really turned it around. With the risk being reduced significantly (just the one spot), and it may not just be at Cas either, is that we take the foot off the pedal again.

I sincerely hope not but I would hope anyone at the club reading this realises that we need to keep this level of ambition. As fans we don’t want to go back to cheap signings, or players on huge salaries, and mid table mediocrity.
Do you really think that “People at the club” read any of this and listen? Really?

As for cheap signings Hudds isn’t that what we saw last winter?

Totally agree that the fans don’t want what we had u see previous CEOs so let’s hope the new structure works well, I am sure it will.

The club did/do monitor this forum. They're fans as much as anyone and more often than not the forum is a barometer of current mood, though only a small representation of the fanbase.

I don't think we saw cheap signings per se. I think we saw a recruitment that was probably hindered by Hardaker and then a drawn-out process that was resolved and completed far too close to the season starting.

I also think we're into the difficult realms in that we now have a very good squad with little tweaking required. It's been said once or twice by the coaches and Directors that the last thing we want to do is upset the applecart and morale by bringing in players and making the current players feel unwanted.

The players that went last season were Lynch, Monaghan, Larroyer, Million and Holmes, plus a couple of kids. In my mind, Clark has offered as much as Lynch did last season, Clare has more than adequately covered Monaghan, and Wardle while not pulling up trees, has probably been as good as Larroyer.

Ellis for Holmes is arguable but then it could be argued that the rise of Trueman has been an upgrade on Holmes. So was the recruitment bad or was it just that our expectations were higher given the season before?

Two factors played a part on how this season panned out for me - Hardaker/full-back situation, and the lack of pre-season for some of our players meaning less gelling time. Completely the opposite this season with Trueman/Gale not in international scene now and Mata'utia also unlikely to get in the squad.

My concern for the new structure (as is the case with the play-offs) is that it essentially creates a mantra of 5th (or before 8th, 4th etc) will do. The club needs to keep a high level of ambition, it should want to become the pride of Yorkshire in a flagship new ground with a larger fanbase and success on the pitch. For me, that means backing Powell in the transfer market and giving him the best squad possible by signing players who are going to compete for the first team and not just squad players. Players should appreciate the challenge and also see it as a chance to win something in their careers, than a risk to their position.
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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by mart0042 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:18 am

So far the club has backed DP. Watts and peanut are outstanding. A couple more of that ilk and luck and with injuries and we'll be battling on all fronts.

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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by Sharlotiger » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:05 am

mart0042 wrote:So far the club has backed DP. Watts and peanut are outstanding. A couple more of that ilk and luck and with injuries and we'll be battling on all fronts.
We may battle but without some quality additions especially in the three quarters we will start to go backwards pretty quickly.

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Post by mart0042 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:29 am

Sharlotiger wrote:
mart0042 wrote:So far the club has backed DP. Watts and peanut are outstanding. A couple more of that ilk and luck and with injuries and we'll be battling on all fronts.
We may battle but without some quality additions especially in the three quarters we will start to go backwards pretty quickly.
The game isn't won or lost at centre and we have a good spine and pack. We bat deep in those positions.

I think we'll bring in strength in the backs. Minikin will be a good centre foster is a different type of player but can be effective. Wardle played all his early career at left centre.

I'd take a fullback and peanut to centre. We have then Turner, Gill. Egodo, storey and is it carr the winger.

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Re: Structure change - can’t be complacent

Post by gateman » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:40 am

Lewis Carr is still young just gone 18 but to score 39 try's in a short season takes some doing his center partner Robbie Storey and Turner at fullback helped to set them up lets hope these three kick on to the first team

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Post by Lofthouse Tiger » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:50 pm

mart0042 wrote:So far the club has backed DP. Watts and peanut are outstanding. A couple more of that ilk and luck and with injuries and we'll be battling on all fronts.


Correct that man :dance: :dance: :dance:

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Post by mart0042 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:53 am

gateman wrote:Lewis Carr is still young just gone 18 but to score 39 try's in a short season takes some doing his center partner Robbie Storey and Turner at fullback helped to set them up lets hope these three kick on to the first team
This is the year for them to step up if required. Get them out on dual reg with recall so they are match ready.

That's certainly the next step for Turner and the 19s ineligible at that level. It'll be different in 2020 with the reserves coming back. Douglas had 2 years out and hasn't made it yet (forwards taker longer, yes)

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