BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

[Tigers1926]

For all the men and women who laid down their lives in ww1&2 I feel so so sorry for. Europe got back on its feet thanks to those men and women and look how they have ended up treating this little island. They ought to be as ashamed as possible, and I wonder if those men and women knew how it would have turned out would have laid down their lives as they did. They think they are better than us because they are geographically joined together, but I know different

[alftupper]

Capper pointing fingers over the UK COVID deaths when he wanted us to stay in the EU condemning even more people to death due to their incompetence. The vaccine rollout would have started weeks later than it actually did due to their bureaucracy and incompetence. Regardless of his protestations to the contrary, Cappers contempt and hatred of this country always shines through, a typical Red.

[alftupper]

Thank god for Gavin Williamson!

just thought I’d say it before future blasphemy laws prevent me

[FIat Capper]

Thank god for Gavin Williamson!

just thought I’d say it before future blasphemy laws prevent me

Now I know you're just taking the mick and running a winding up campaign.

For the record., I recognise the countries in the EU misjudged the vaccine rollout and are now paying the price. However, when you look at the total number of deaths in each country, we (Britain) have the far highest number. This is because our government have been grossly incompetent. There is no doubt about this and have been rescued by over-ordering vaccines. It would have been intersting if none of them worked and the inevitable consequence of 1922 committee asking why so much money had been committed without knowing what we were getting. Luck is an incredible factor in life.

My love of our nation is what tells me to question the way the Tories treat the vast majority of our citizens. The false façade they put up is one of the greatest cons in history. "Make Britain Great", wave a union flag, make references such as "Cappers contempt and hatred of this country" to try and deflect attention away from their own selfish, me first and screw the rest attitude.

An example of this is the fact that Britain has received millions of vaccines from the EU but has not exported one the other way.

As for peace, I've said it before, my late Grandfather fought in the second world war (with honours) and for the rest of his life he stressed the need to never let it happen again. He firmly believed we should would together as one continent because however much the financial cost, the human cost of another conflict was too great.

If it was good enough for that war hero, it's good enough for me.

[CasRus]

Thank god for Gavin Williamson!

just thought I’d say it before future blasphemy laws prevent me

Now I know you're just taking the mick and running a winding up campaign.

For the record., I recognise the countries in the EU misjudged the vaccine rollout and are now paying the price. However, when you look at the total number of deaths in each country, we (Britain) have the far highest number. This is because our government have been grossly incompetent. There is no doubt about this and have been rescued by over-ordering vaccines. It would have been intersting if none of them worked and the inevitable consequence of 1922 committee asking why so much money had been committed without knowing what we were getting. Luck is an incredible factor in life.

My love of our nation is what tells me to question the way the Tories treat the vast majority of our citizens. The false façade they put up is one of the greatest cons in history. "Make Britain Great", wave a union flag, make references such as "Cappers contempt and hatred of this country" to try and deflect attention away from their own selfish, me first and screw the rest attitude.

An example of this is the fact that Britain has received millions of vaccines from the EU but has not exported one the other way.

As for peace, I've said it before, my late Grandfather fought in the second world war (with honours) and for the rest of his life he stressed the need to never let it happen again. He firmly believed we should would together as one continent because however much the financial cost, the human cost of another conflict was too great.

If it was good enough for that war hero, it's good enough for me.

Dear Oh Dear Capper !! You are going from Bad to Worse !!

You mention the Government are grossly incompetent and have been "Rescued" by over-ordering !! Well Hello, who do you think over-ordered if it wasn't the Government itself ?? Don't you think it was a strategic decision to do so and have now ultimately been proved right !! Rescued my arse !! How can one rescue oneself ??

Oh and the other point you make about luck being an incredible factor - Don't you think this was a brave decision rather than being sat on their hands like the EU did with their fingers stuck up their arse !!

Who is now in a great position - Us or the EU ??? For God's sake man, you need to take a reality check on your brain !! And , may I add further, if we were the risk takers on spending a fortune on vaccines up front and where the EU weren't, why should we forego our vaccine supply to the UK when they weren't going to risk their war chest !! And another point, if the EU had done what we did and we had sat on our hands, do you seriously think they would have shared their vaccines with us ????? I don't effin think so after all they have been arsey about Brexit with us !!!!!! And by the way, they are looking to Block Legal Contracts which is making themselves look like Jackass's to the rest of the world, so now who is in the wrong on a Legal Standing !!

Capper, you are trying to defend the un-defendable and making yourself look like an EU loving Remainer irrespective of their wrongdoing and illegal blocking and, after all this, our Government is STILL trying to work with them on helping them on their vaccine rollout so please, I suggest you place your head under a cold water tap and also punch some reality into your grey matter !!

[Tigers1926]

Can you imagine if we were still in the eu? We'd be paying all the money in (more than most countries) and not getting what we'd paid for!! They are now showing their true colours and i would not ever trust them..

[baldtiger]

Just a mention tories have now put a usa guru as executive in charge of the nhs . NHS free for all goodbye.
You have to watch what there doing while all are looking at covid. Laws to stop protests ect lol. And you complain about Korean rules freedom is gone if where not careful! !!

[FIat Capper]

Dear Oh Dear Capper !! You are going from Bad to Worse !!

You mention the Government are grossly incompetent and have been "Rescued" by over-ordering !! Well Hello, who do you think over-ordered if it wasn't the Government itself ?? Don't you think it was a strategic decision to do so and have now ultimately been proved right !! Rescued my arse !! How can one rescue oneself ??

Oh and the other point you make about luck being an incredible factor - Don't you think this was a brave decision rather than being sat on their hands like the EU did with their fingers stuck up their arse !!

Who is now in a great position - Us or the EU ??? For God's sake man, you need to take a reality check on your brain !! And , may I add further, if we were the risk takers on spending a fortune on vaccines up front and where the EU weren't, why should we forego our vaccine supply to the UK when they weren't going to risk their war chest !! And another point, if the EU had done what we did and we had sat on our hands, do you seriously think they would have shared their vaccines with us ????? I don't effin think so after all they have been arsey about Brexit with us !!!!!! And by the way, they are looking to Block Legal Contracts which is making themselves look like Jackass's to the rest of the world, so now who is in the wrong on a Legal Standing !!

Capper, you are trying to defend the un-defendable and making yourself look like an EU loving Remainer irrespective of their wrongdoing and illegal blocking and, after all this, our Government is STILL trying to work with them on helping them on their vaccine rollout so please, I suggest you place your head under a cold water tap and also punch some reality into your grey matter !!

Once again you resort to misinformation, misquoting and name calling.

The luck element was the fact the vaccines worked but as you, I and everyone else that cares to look at facts knows, they ordered millions more than was needed, just in case. Now this is a policy which I believe should be replicated across many public sector services but as I said, the likes of you and Alfie would be up in arms at the wasted costs.

Imagine if we'd actually ordered enough spare capacity of PPE for all health and care workers prior to any sign of a pandemic? Imagine how many lives would've been saved? Imagine how many lives would've been saved if this super duper government had locked down in time and long enough the first time round - highest number of deaths in Europe?

My cold water wash every morning works wonders for me so I guess you should give it a try. You can even wash your Tory rose tinted glasses in it.

[CasRus]

Dear Oh Dear Capper !! You are going from Bad to Worse !!

You mention the Government are grossly incompetent and have been "Rescued" by over-ordering !! Well Hello, who do you think over-ordered if it wasn't the Government itself ?? Don't you think it was a strategic decision to do so and have now ultimately been proved right !! Rescued my arse !! How can one rescue oneself ??

Oh and the other point you make about luck being an incredible factor - Don't you think this was a brave decision rather than being sat on their hands like the EU did with their fingers stuck up their arse !!

Who is now in a great position - Us or the EU ??? For God's sake man, you need to take a reality check on your brain !! And , may I add further, if we were the risk takers on spending a fortune on vaccines up front and where the EU weren't, why should we forego our vaccine supply to the UK when they weren't going to risk their war chest !! And another point, if the EU had done what we did and we had sat on our hands, do you seriously think they would have shared their vaccines with us ????? I don't effin think so after all they have been arsey about Brexit with us !!!!!! And by the way, they are looking to Block Legal Contracts which is making themselves look like Jackass's to the rest of the world, so now who is in the wrong on a Legal Standing !!

Capper, you are trying to defend the un-defendable and making yourself look like an EU loving Remainer irrespective of their wrongdoing and illegal blocking and, after all this, our Government is STILL trying to work with them on helping them on their vaccine rollout so please, I suggest you place your head under a cold water tap and also punch some reality into your grey matter !!

Once again you resort to misinformation, misquoting and name calling.

The luck element was the fact the vaccines worked but as you, I and everyone else that cares to look at facts knows, they ordered millions more than was needed, just in case. Now this is a policy which I believe should be replicated across many public sector services but as I said, the likes of you and Alfie would be up in arms at the wasted costs.

Imagine if we'd actually ordered enough spare capacity of PPE for all health and care workers prior to any sign of a pandemic? Imagine how many lives would've been saved? Imagine how many lives would've been saved if this super duper government had locked down in time and long enough the first time round - highest number of deaths in Europe?

My cold water wash every morning works wonders for me so I guess you should give it a try. You can even wash your Tory rose tinted glasses in it.

Capper, before you go spouting on about highest number of deaths in Europe, you need to start looking at population density and compare that before you "ever so conveniently" pick up on plain old numbers - there' s more too it than that but like all Labourites you just jump on a bandwagon of mis-information or look at it from the best advantageous position to argue your case without studying and drilling down the true way of actual comparison. You have just gone and copied Old Dogs Dinner "Barking" who said the same a few weeks ago where he tried to compare us to New Zealand where population density is about 19 per KM whereas we are well over 200 per KM and have massive traffic across nations ! and there was I thinking you are a bit more intelligent that Numb-Nuts Barking !!! Just goes to show, you can't educate Pork !!

[Tigers1926]

Don't be mentioning pork CasRus, you'll be getting the forum protested and shut down

[CasRus]

She's done it again! Liz Truss reaches new agreement to unlock post-Brexit trade in Asia
Luke Hawker 13 hrs ago

The International Trade Secretary has set up a new framework to explore further investment opportunities with Thailand. Thailand is seen as a key player in emerging markets across Asia and last year trade with the UK was worth more than £5billion.

Liz Truss says UK will be 'adding' to trade deals in 2021

Britain and Thailand have agreed to strengthen this relationship by creating a Joint Economic and Trade Committee.

This afternoon, Ms Truss and Thailand's Minister of Commerce and Deputy Prime Minister, Jurin Laksanawisit, signed a Memorandum of Understanding to increase collaboration.

The announcement today follows a Joint Trade Review conducted by both sides in 2020.

[FIat Capper]

Capper, before you go spouting on about highest number of deaths in Europe, you need to start looking at population density and compare that before you "ever so conveniently" pick up on plain old numbers - there' s more too it than that but like all Labourites you just jump on a bandwagon of mis-information or look at it from the best advantageous position to argue your case without studying and drilling down the true way of actual comparison. You have just gone and copied Old Dogs Dinner "Barking" who said the same a few weeks ago where he tried to compare us to New Zealand where population density is about 19 per KM whereas we are well over 200 per KM and have massive traffic across nations ! and there was I thinking you are a bit more intelligent that Numb-Nuts Barking !!! Just goes to show, you can't educate Pork !!

Pot and kettle spring to mind but I'll not use New Zeeland but as I mentioned worst death total in Europe, let's try Germany, a similar country in size, industry, city sizes:

Population just short of 84 Million, Covid deaths 76,599 = 0.09% of the population has died.

UK - Population just short of 68 million, Covid deaths 126,615 = 0.19% of the population.

Now I know every country is different but France and Italy also have lower rates although Italy did their best to beat us.

What's more, if you recognise the UK has a greater population density, wouldn't you do more to protect them? Lockdown earlier, longer and have a "world beating track and trace system"?

As is so often the case with you Tories, you ant your cake and eat it but the truth is there for all to see.

As for Liz Truss, you do realise that on leaving the EU we had no formal trade deals with anyone other than the dodgy one with the EU. We were reliant up World Trade Organisation deals and therefore, had to start negotiating new deals across the globe. It would be a very poor government that decided not to try but again, the devil will be in the details and whether £billions of value is in our favour or theirs?

[CasRus]

Capper, before you go spouting on about highest number of deaths in Europe, you need to start looking at population density and compare that before you "ever so conveniently" pick up on plain old numbers - there' s more too it than that but like all Labourites you just jump on a bandwagon of mis-information or look at it from the best advantageous position to argue your case without studying and drilling down the true way of actual comparison. You have just gone and copied Old Dogs Dinner "Barking" who said the same a few weeks ago where he tried to compare us to New Zealand where population density is about 19 per KM whereas we are well over 200 per KM and have massive traffic across nations ! and there was I thinking you are a bit more intelligent that Numb-Nuts Barking !!! Just goes to show, you can't educate Pork !!

Pot and kettle spring to mind but I'll not use New Zeeland but as I mentioned worst death total in Europe, let's try Germany, a similar country in size, industry, city sizes:

Population just short of 84 Million, Covid deaths 76,599 = 0.09% of the population has died.

UK - Population just short of 68 million, Covid deaths 126,615 = 0.19% of the population.

Now I know every country is different but France and Italy also have lower rates although Italy did their best to beat us.

What's more, if you recognise the UK has a greater population density, wouldn't you do more to protect them? Lockdown earlier, longer and have a "world beating track and trace system"?

As is so often the case with you Tories, you ant your cake and eat it but the truth is there for all to see.

As for Liz Truss, you do realise that on leaving the EU we had no formal trade deals with anyone other than the dodgy one with the EU. We were reliant up World Trade Organisation deals and therefore, had to start negotiating new deals across the globe. It would be a very poor government that decided not to try but again, the devil will be in the details and whether £billions of value is in our favour or theirs?

Nice try Capper, but you still fail to consider the density of people within a given space which is why social distancing has been a major component of stopping the spread that is advocated.

Also, there are many other nuances as to why there is a spread factor and one example is how your Blair led Government of the day allowed thousands of immigrants in (in trying to add voter support for Labour may I add !) back in the day and where our housing could not efficiently accommodate and where Ghetto type areas around Birmingham, Bradford to mention a couple sprung up packed in like sardines and now have formed Little India/Pakistan type communities under their own Sharia Law and where as reported today, most of these are hesitant to have the jab which, in effect, is going to cause us never to get away from the Pandemic !!! That is a one of the big factors in all of this where density in these areas and the failure to have the jab will always have a bigger death count !!

So, I think you need to re-think your reliance on the death count comparison per country in attributing blame to this Government and start thinking deeper as to why and that goes also as to why some countries have a vastly reduced death count - Simple, Democratic, free'er countries have fared worse than Dictatorship Countries due to the nature of state control and very strict people control deployed in the likes of China/North Korea.

[FIat Capper]

That is a very poor defence of your useless government, blaming the Labour Gov't of over ten years ago. When all else fails, blame immigration

Those densely populated areas have always been there, they just contained hard working families such as mine. And, as I said, if you knew these areas existed, why didn't they do more to protect them like locking down earlier, longer, etc?

I'm not sure there's anymore straws in the packet to clutch old lad so I suggest you get your head out of BJ's harris and look at the true details rather than Daily Mail headlines.

[CasRus]

That is a very poor defence of your useless government, blaming the Labour Gov't of over ten years ago. When all else fails, blame immigration

Those densely populated areas have always been there, they just contained hard working families such as mine. And, as I said, if you knew these areas existed, why didn't they do more to protect them like locking down earlier, longer, etc?

I'm not sure there's anymore straws in the packet to clutch old lad so I suggest you get your head out of BJ's harris and look at the true details rather than Daily Mail headlines.

Wrong again Capper, those areas have NOT always been there - the huge rush on immigration has had a very serious knock on effect to this day since the Blair decision to bring thousands in in both pressure on NHS/Housing/Schooling and has forced a lot of our native population out of these areas in being overrun. I have many a friend just in Dewsbury who would testify to all that having had to move away from their suburb ThornHill which is practically fully ethnic now and they are LABOUR SUPPORTERS !!!! Now you try locking down those areas who have practically shunned the jab and have massive families all congregating and tell me how you would stop the pandemic !! You are living in Cloud Cuckoo-Land Capper !!

[FIat Capper]

That is a very poor defence of your useless government, blaming the Labour Gov't of over ten years ago. When all else fails, blame immigration

Those densely populated areas have always been there, they just contained hard working families such as mine. And, as I said, if you knew these areas existed, why didn't they do more to protect them like locking down earlier, longer, etc?

I'm not sure there's anymore straws in the packet to clutch old lad so I suggest you get your head out of BJ's harris and look at the true details rather than Daily Mail headlines.

Wrong again Capper, those areas have NOT always been there - the huge rush on immigration has had a very serious knock on effect to this day since the Blair decision to bring thousands in in both pressure on NHS/Housing/Schooling and has forced a lot of our native population out of these areas in being overrun. I have many a friend just in Dewsbury who would testify to all that having had to move away from their suburb ThornHill which is practically fully ethnic now and they are LABOUR SUPPORTERS !!!! Now you try locking down those areas who have practically shunned the jab and have massive families all congregating and tell me how you would stop the pandemic !! You are living in Cloud Cuckoo-Land Capper !!

Those of us with long memories may remember the Smawthorne Renewal scheme. All the terraced houses from Smawthorne Lane to Oxford Street were included in a massive improvement programme, all because, at the time, it was one of the most densely populated areas in the EU.

Saltaire in Bradford is another with dense housing, Harehills, Headingley in Leeds. Have all these just been built or were they there before 1960?

Another straw clutched and dropped.

And as key worker, I also had the pleasure of visiting a number of areas within the Wakefield district with large numbers of ethnic residents and they were as quiet as anywhere else.

Huge failure of an incompetent government

[Tigers1926]

Don't mention Corbyn ffs. Talk about having a bike

[CasRus]

That is a very poor defence of your useless government, blaming the Labour Gov't of over ten years ago. When all else fails, blame immigration

Those densely populated areas have always been there, they just contained hard working families such as mine. And, as I said, if you knew these areas existed, why didn't they do more to protect them like locking down earlier, longer, etc?

I'm not sure there's anymore straws in the packet to clutch old lad so I suggest you get your head out of BJ's harris and look at the true details rather than Daily Mail headlines.

Wrong again Capper, those areas have NOT always been there - the huge rush on immigration has had a very serious knock on effect to this day since the Blair decision to bring thousands in in both pressure on NHS/Housing/Schooling and has forced a lot of our native population out of these areas in being overrun. I have many a friend just in Dewsbury who would testify to all that having had to move away from their suburb ThornHill which is practically fully ethnic now and they are LABOUR SUPPORTERS !!!! Now you try locking down those areas who have practically shunned the jab and have massive families all congregating and tell me how you would stop the pandemic !! You are living in Cloud Cuckoo-Land Capper !!

Those of us with long memories may remember the Smawthorne Renewal scheme. All the terraced houses from Smawthorne Lane to Oxford Street were included in a massive improvement programme, all because, at the time, it was one of the most densely populated areas in the EU.

Saltaire in Bradford is another with dense housing, Harehills, Headingley in Leeds. Have all these just been built or were they there before 1960?

Another straw clutched and dropped.

And as key worker, I also had the pleasure of visiting a number of areas within the Wakefield district with large numbers of ethnic residents and they were as quiet as anywhere else.

Huge failure of an incompetent government

Capper, I just can't catch my breath at how utterly stupid that response was and totally missed the point I am making !

I'm not talking about the buildings and structure, what I am referring to is densely populated areas which means the imported immigration of thousands from the Blair years that have settled in these areas and brought even more of their families over in packs since and are encased like sardines in one area which is brimming over and while they are adding to the problem of producing a higher than average birth rate figure to make a situation even worse).

While they are failing to take the jab (as has been recently reported) and stuck in high density areas and socially engaging like they normally do in family and neighbour groups without much social distancing, don't you think that all this is undermining the drive to stop the pandemic ??? You are failing to face these facts in my opinion !!

I honestly also bet that with the upcoming census you will find 2-3 times more people living in these areas than what was in Dicks Days you have referred to from 1960 which reflects and mimics the population explosion we have seen over these past 10-20 years. LifeBoat UK can only sustain so many people on so many levels and you "as a key worker" seem to have drifted through this without even noticing !!..... Key Worker!..... My Arse !!

Over the next few years you will see that the decision by Blair to import thousands of immigrants is going to blow up up in our faces when we cannot sustain the ever burgeoning population with provision of NHS, Schools, Housing and Infrastructure - It's a matter of time !! It's not having a go and singling out ethnics as a race issue by the way, far from it, it's a question of population sustainability and balance to what we can handle as a country that is the issue here and sadly it's going in the wrong direction and badly needs addressing !

[CasRus]

Here's a headline for you EU Loving Remainers which I hope has you choking on your CornFlakes this morning and hope you hang your heads in shame if you continue to make excuses for the UK remaining with these Back Stabbers !! :-

4.50pm update: Macron recruits VDL in bid to class Britain a 'rogue state' in latest Brexit punishment

France is pushing for Britain to be classed as a "rogue state" in revenge for Brexit, insiders have warned.

President Emmanuel Macron wants the UK to be treated with the same level of suspicion as Russia, China and Iran.

He has secured the backing of top eurocrat Ursula von der Leyen, who has ordered officials to draw up plans to exclude British scientists from cutting-edge tech projects in collaboration with the bloc.

[FIat Capper]

Capper, I just can't catch my breath at how utterly stupid that response was and totally missed the point I am making !

I'm not talking about the buildings and structure, what I am referring to is densely populated areas which means the imported immigration of thousands from the Blair years that have settled in these areas and brought even more of their families over in packs since and are encased like sardines in one area which is brimming over and while they are adding to the problem of producing a higher than average birth rate figure to make a situation even worse).

While they are failing to take the jab (as has been recently reported) and stuck in high density areas and socially engaging like they normally do in family and neighbour groups without much social distancing, don't you think that all this is undermining the drive to stop the pandemic ??? You are failing to face these facts in my opinion !!

I honestly also bet that with the upcoming census you will find 2-3 times more people living in these areas than what was in Dicks Days you have referred to from 1960 which reflects and mimics the population explosion we have seen over these past 10-20 years. LifeBoat UK can only sustain so many people on so many levels and you "as a key worker" seem to have drifted through this without even noticing !!..... Key Worker!..... My Arse !!

Over the next few years you will see that the decision by Blair to import thousands of immigrants is going to blow up up in our faces when we cannot sustain the ever burgeoning population with provision of NHS, Schools, Housing and Infrastructure - It's a matter of time !! It's not having a go and singling out ethnics as a race issue by the way, far from it, it's a question of population sustainability and balance to what we can handle as a country that is the issue here and sadly it's going in the wrong direction and badly needs addressing !

The areas highlighted show just how far you've lost the argument.

Firstly, as I have pointed out, the areas in question HAVE always been densely populated but let me run with your theory that the 'immigrants' are responsible for the very high and unnecessary death toll.

I assume you are aware, that in spite of these people living as they do, not having the vaccine and partying all day in the street, the daily death rate has plummeted since Christmas. Down from over a thousand a day to less than 100. Surely if the 'immigrants' were the original cause of the catastrophic death toll it would still be fairly high?

Perhaps it is simply a case of the poor actions of this government, not locking down early enough, opening up and encouraging folk to get out and about without either an adequate track and trace system or any vaccine, that pushed the death toll to its devastating heights?

And as for the last part, you don't even have the grace to accept facts when presented to you. I have been working throughout this pandemic, part of a team that has helped kept the district open and running. I've been involved in delivering test and vaccine centers and also assisted through the poor weather conditions we've experienced. Do not dismiss me without being bothered to find out who I am and what I do.

Your an absolute disgrace and not worthy of further comment.