BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

[FIat Capper]

The northern European situation is very interesting and I simply cannot understand why the whole of Europe shouldn't be working together on it. One of the many reasons why I still think we work better together and I hope Brexit won't prevent this entirely as I feel working solely with the Baltic nations may not be enough.

[CasRus]

The northern European situation is very interesting and I simply cannot understand why the whole of Europe shouldn't be working together on it. One of the many reasons why I still think we work better together and I hope Brexit won't prevent this entirely as I feel working solely with the Baltic nations may not be enough.

Problem with the whole of Europe as a whole is that the Northern Situated Countries are more affluent and harder working than the Southern Countries and are more aligned to creating technological breakthroughs - if you look at the past 40 years you will see that it was the Northern Countries paying into the EU and the Southern Countries being predominantly bailed out and that is why the EU project in my opinion was/is never going to fully work and be fair, hence Brexit happening. It is like comparing German "VorsprungDurchTechnik" to "BasketPlace" Greece smashing plates at Dinner (i.e. them paying out pensions at 55 and no contributions going in and getting a massive Loan from the EU to cover their shortfall at contributing nations taxpayers expense!!).

There is behind the scenes work going on to form Northern Alliances of that I am pretty sure so let's get these established and strongly efficient before we go about trying to help those greedy Spain/Greece and France included countries giving us a good nasty kicking on Gibraltar/Fishing for example while smiling their heads off when the tourist £ is bring in Gazillions for them and welcoming us with open arms while we have our wallets open !!!!

Yes it is protectionist type of move from a Northern Europe perspective but you now look at how efficient both Russia and China have become and unfortunately we need to start thinking about ourselves and out of the box before we (and other European Countries) get swallowed up and taken over and where we need to be ready for all eventualities !! Getting Strong would mean it could trickle down at a later stage to South Europe and, like you want Capper, which is a strong EU, run and done correctly rather than corrupt Brussels making stupid/bipartisan decisions and feathering their own nest in a very in-efficient way as to what was in all probability really going on !!

UK/Sweden/Germany/Denmark/Finland/Netherlands/Poland forming a "Super EU" along with some smaller nations like Switzerland Austria Rep of Ireland etc would be a great alliance in my opinion with Tech/Military cooperative sharing and........ "Free Trade" !! A Much Smarter way !!! The EU is antiquated and with outdated methods !!

Some Countries like Sweden and Switzerland are about ready to form trade agreements with us and that really tells me a story that other countries are starting to think outside of the EU run dictatorship and see a better pathway like Brexit Britain has now embarked on !!

[CasRus]

UK secures new deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein

The UK has agreed a new trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein that will see significant tariff reductions on British food and drink products such as cheese, meat, wine and spirits. In addition, reduced import taxes on the UK fishing sector will support around 18,000 industry jobs in northern England and Scotland.


This comes as another boost to Scotland and for the food and drink sector after the UK and Australia agreed on the removal of a 5% tariff on whisky exports.


International Trade Secretary, Liz Truss, said: “Today’s deal will be a major boost for our trade with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, growing an economic relationship already worth £21.6 billion, while supporting jobs and prosperity in all four nations at home.”

[CasRus]

Brexit mega-pact! Boris eyes extraordinary £58BN trade bonanza in South America
Bill McLoughlin 10 hrs ago

Now free from the EU post-Brexit, one MP told Express.co.uk the UK was ready to "reset the clock" on its trade history with the continent. Mark Menzies, trade envoy for Peru, Chile, Argentina and Columbia revealed the opportunities for trade with the continent were "absolutely huge" for the UK. The Government has already signed deals with Columbia, Peru and Chile now the UK has left the EU, which Mr Menzies claimed caused Britain's presence in some parts of the world to die.

Indeed, before the Second World War, the UK had been a major trading partner in South America but that trade trailed off after joining the bloc in 1973.

Speaking to Express.co.uk, Mr Menzies said: "In terms of growth, it is going to be absolutely huge.

"And bear in mind, we are starting from a low base.

"So the growth levels, potentially can be very large."

In particular, the UK could see growth in terms of infrastructure, agriculture, green energy and education the MP for Fylde claimed.

In 2019, the UK signed continuity agreements with the three South American countries which replicated the existing deals with the EU.

While the deals may be valued lowly currently, the opportunity for increased trade is massive for the UK due to the exciting new opportunities for businesses.

Although some have criticised the UK's exit, Mr Menzies insisted the South American countries have viewed Britain's departure as an exciting chance to boost trade.

Mr Menzies added: "In some of the British press, you'd have felt that everyone was viewing the UK as being isolationist.

"That Brexit was a bad thing but not at all, these countries were all wanting trade deals, they were wanting an opportunity, they saw it as an opportunity across a whole range of sectors to do business with the UK.

"And they saw it as an opportunity to begin to reset the clock that was stopped when the UK joined the EU.

"So this was something that was, you know, really exciting for them.

"And I think one of the challenges known for us is to get British companies big and small, to start to get into markets that we may or may not have had a presence, you know, in some cases for decades."

In a further boost for UK plc, both Chile and Peru are members of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

Accounting for 11 countries across the world, the alliance covers 500 million people.

By increasing trade with some of the member states, the UK has been able to begin proceedings to join the alliance.

On June 2, the CPTPP approved the UK's ascent to being the membership process which cut tariffs in a wide range of sectors.

As part of the alliance, it is hoped the drop in tariffs could build on the £58billion in goods the UK exports to the 11 countries.

Commenting on the membership, Ms Truss said: "CPTTP membership is a huge opportunity for Britain.

"It will help shift our economic centre of gravity away from Europe towards faster-growing parts of the world, and deepen our access to massive consumer markets in the Asia-Pacific.

"We would get all the benefits of joining a high-standards free trade area, but without having to cede control of our borders, money or laws."

[FIat Capper]

No news on the Aussie 'free trade' deal CasRus?

[CasRus]

No news on the Aussie 'free trade' deal CasRus?

Naaa !! Mainstream news channels beat me to it and I know you would have already clocked it !!

Like I've always said, it's a big world for trade out there without being tied to the apron strings of the EU who are persistently trying to damage our ability to succeed as a warning to other EU countries who are thinking of leaving ! The cracks in the EU are already appearing !!

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I’m confused CasRus, weren’t we told new trade deals were supposed to take years if not decades??

Another Project Fear scare story!

[CasRus]

I’m confused CasRus, weren’t we told new trade deals were supposed to take years if not decades??

Another Project Fear scare story!

Hi Alf, nice to hear from you.

Yep the batsmen for remaining put out a load of scare and now they are being caught out "Leg Before Wicket" !!

A very interesting stat released today shows that as "Queensbury Rules" UK have tried to work with the EU on smoothing imports, they haven't and the stats show they have increased imports from Russia (of all countries !) and have decreased our exports to the EU !!!!!!!

It catagorically shows that we are being taken for mugs yet again by the EU and the think tank who have provided these stats recommend that Boris tear up the agreement with the EU as we would be far better off going with WTO rules !!

I think Boris will seriously look at this over the next week or two and test the EU in respect of the sausage wars presently going on and I can see that if the EU do not cut some slack, then I can see that this may happen and we will ultimately go to WTO rules !

[FIat Capper]

I’m confused CasRus, weren’t we told new trade deals were supposed to take years if not decades??

Another Project Fear scare story!

Hi Alf, nice to hear from you.

Yep the batsmen for remaining put out a load of scare and now they are being caught out "Leg Before Wicket" !!

A very interesting stat released today shows that as "Queensbury Rules" UK have tried to work with the EU on smoothing imports, they haven't and the stats show they have increased imports from Russia (of all countries !) and have decreased our exports to the EU !!!!!!!

It catagorically shows that we are being taken for mugs yet again by the EU and the think tank who have provided these stats recommend that Boris tear up the agreement with the EU as we would be far better off going with WTO rules !!

I think Boris will seriously look at this over the next week or two and test the EU in respect of the sausage wars presently going on and I can see that if the EU do not cut some slack, then I can see that this may happen and we will ultimately go to WTO rules !

So agreements don't take years to develop but yet we have to make a new one with the EU because the rushed one isn't working.

Love the contradiction!

Anyway, I'll look forward to spending the additional £1.20 a year I'll have in my pocket following the removal of tariff's on the potential 0.02% increase in GDP from the Aussie deal. A deal which ALL experts are saying pails into insignificance when compared to the markets available in the EU, the EU that contains many countries you're desperate to do deals with.

No one doubts the new deals will provide opportunities but they have to because we (by leaving the EU) have removed opportunities elsewhere. Still robbing Peter to pay Paul.

[CasRus]

I’m confused CasRus, weren’t we told new trade deals were supposed to take years if not decades??

Another Project Fear scare story!

Hi Alf, nice to hear from you.

Yep the batsmen for remaining put out a load of scare and now they are being caught out "Leg Before Wicket" !!

A very interesting stat released today shows that as "Queensbury Rules" UK have tried to work with the EU on smoothing imports, they haven't and the stats show they have increased imports from Russia (of all countries !) and have decreased our exports to the EU !!!!!!!

It catagorically shows that we are being taken for mugs yet again by the EU and the think tank who have provided these stats recommend that Boris tear up the agreement with the EU as we would be far better off going with WTO rules !!

I think Boris will seriously look at this over the next week or two and test the EU in respect of the sausage wars presently going on and I can see that if the EU do not cut some slack, then I can see that this may happen and we will ultimately go to WTO rules !

So agreements don't take years to develop but yet we have to make a new one with the EU because the rushed one isn't working.

Love the contradiction!

Anyway, I'll look forward to spending the additional £1.20 a year I'll have in my pocket following the removal of tariff's on the potential 0.02% increase in GDP from the Aussie deal. A deal which ALL experts are saying pails into insignificance when compared to the markets available in the EU, the EU that contains many countries you're desperate to do deals with.

No one doubts the new deals will provide opportunities but they have to because we (by leaving the EU) have removed opportunities elsewhere. Still robbing Peter to pay Paul.

You never change Capper with the Glass Half Empty outlook ?

Cheer Up and strap yourself in for the ride and take that head of yours out of your half empty glass and things might be a bit more of an optimistic good feel vibes for you instead of that "We are all Doomed" outlook !! ........... Just Saying !! or is it safe to say it could be a good idea to book you as a warm up act at someone's funeral !! only joking !!

[CasRus]

Here's another reason why you should be cheerful Capper just announced:-

US trade deal breakthrough: Liz Truss makes huge step forward after tariff agreement
Dan Falvey, Political Correspondent 1 hour ago

International trade secretary Liz Truss hailed plans to take Britain's trade relationship with the US "to the next level" after talks in London yesterday. A face-to-face meeting with US trade representative Katherine Tai led to a breakthrough in a dispute over subsidies to aviation firms Boeing and Airbus that has long been a friction point in relations between America and Europe.

While a member of the EU, the UK was forced to impose duties on some American imports accusing Washington of unfairly supporting the US-based Boeing company.

Measures were imposed by the White House on the EU after it similarly accused European companies of unfairly subsidising Airbus.

The row badly impacted UK industries such as cashmere, machinery, and single-malt Scotch whisky.

When Britain was freed from Brussels rules at the start of the year, ministers unilaterally suspended tariffs in the hope of deescalating tensions, with the US following suit.

Today's announcement is a longer-term solution to the 17-year trade dispute, the longest in the World Trade Organisation's history.

Ms Truss said: "This deal will support jobs across the country and is fantastic news for major employers like Scotch whisky and sectors like aerospace.

"We took the decision to de-escalate the dispute at the start of the year when we became a sovereign trading nation, which was crucial to breaking the deadlock and bringing the US to the table.

"I want to thank Katherine personally for her role in making this happen.

"Today's deal draws a line under an incredibly damaging issue and means we can focus on taking our trading relationship with the US to the next level, including working more closely to challenge unfair practices by nations like China and using the power of free trade to build back better from the pandemic."

The agreement had helped bolster trading relations between the UK and US administrations ahead of eagerly anticipated free trade deal negotiations anticipated to begin within the next 12 months.

Under the terms of the trade remedy announced today, the UK and US have agreed to strengthen cooperation in the large civil aircraft sector.

Financing of Boeing and Airbus will only take place on market terms and the results of any research and development as a result of Government investment will be shared more widely.

Anti-competition practices from countries such as China will also be jointly tackled under the agreement brokered yesterday.

The Scotch whisky industry has welcomed news the US will not impose tariffs on the spirit for five years following the breakthrough talks.

Karen Betts, chief executive of the Scotch Whisky Association, said: "This is very good news for Scotch whisky.

"The past two years have been extremely damaging for our industry, with the loss of over £600million in exports to the United States caused by a 25 percent tariff on single malt Scotch whisky imposed as a result of the long-running dispute between US and European aircraft manufacturers."

[FIat Capper]

If we've got better access to the US, what has the US gained from the deal then, easier access to flood our markets......again?

[CasRus]

If we've got better access to the US, what has the US gained from the deal then, easier access to flood our markets......again?

Thanks for Just another of your glass half empty statements Capper !!

Free Trade flows in both directions and yes the USA probably has more to throw at us than we have to them but it's a consumer to decide their choice and their cost and quality assessment at the end of the day ! Better to form these trade agreements than be blackmailed by the EU with all their crappy underhand tactics that they are still all about !!

Also, what you are not taking into account is the strategic security tied in benefits from all this in closer alliances from the USA and Australia etc in combating the massive moves that China and Russia are embarking on with huge military spend they have embarked on with hypersonic missile tech, AI controlled stealth fighter jets and stealth warships fitted with the very latest cloaking technology - If you look closely at what they have been and are doing there is intention to take us all over and be subservient while we have been asleep at the wheel, anyone would agree we are in all likelihood in imminent danger !

We need closer ties with both USA and Oz along with other countries to try to stymie these moves by authoritarian regimes and give them a reason to not upset the world security apple cart otherwise we can all kiss our arses goodbye !!

[FIat Capper]

If we've got better access to the US, what has the US gained from the deal then, easier access to flood our markets......again?

Also, what you are not taking into account is the strategic security tied in benefits from all this in closer alliances from the USA and Australia etc in combating the massive moves that China and Russia are embarking on with huge military spend they have embarked on with hypersonic missile tech, AI controlled stealth fighter jets and stealth warships fitted with the very latest cloaking technology - If you look closely at what they have been and are doing there is intention to take us all over and be subservient while we have been asleep at the wheel, anyone would agree we are in all likelihood in imminent danger !

We need closer ties with both USA and Oz along with other countries to try to stymie these moves by authoritarian regimes and give them a reason to not upset the world security apple cart otherwise we can all kiss our arses goodbye !!

Thanks for another glass half empty view of the EU with whom we had strong ties, co-operation and a trade block that could compete with many around the world but hey ho.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul...

How's Norther Ireland going..?

[CasRus]

If we've got better access to the US, what has the US gained from the deal then, easier access to flood our markets......again?

Also, what you are not taking into account is the strategic security tied in benefits from all this in closer alliances from the USA and Australia etc in combating the massive moves that China and Russia are embarking on with huge military spend they have embarked on with hypersonic missile tech, AI controlled stealth fighter jets and stealth warships fitted with the very latest cloaking technology - If you look closely at what they have been and are doing there is intention to take us all over and be subservient while we have been asleep at the wheel, anyone would agree we are in all likelihood in imminent danger !

We need closer ties with both USA and Oz along with other countries to try to stymie these moves by authoritarian regimes and give them a reason to not upset the world security apple cart otherwise we can all kiss our arses goodbye !!

Thanks for another glass half empty view of the EU with whom we had strong ties, co-operation and a trade block that could compete with many around the world but hey ho.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul...

How's Norther Ireland going..?

To be brutally honest, I hope it doesn't go well and we finish tearing up the agreement with the EU and onto WTO rules so we can stop fannying around with the EU who have thrown a lot of intransigence at us !!

At least we will all know where we are at and where experts are saying it would be best for us !

[CasRus]

Here comes another one! Liz Truss eyes huge Brexit deal with New Zealand - key talks TODAY
Dan Falvey, Political Correspondent 12 hrs ago

Elizabeth Truss wearing a blue shirt: Trade Secretary Liz Truss will hold the in person talks today© PA Trade Secretary Liz Truss will hold the in person talks today
Damien O'Connor flew to Britain on Wednesday and held dinner with Ms Truss ahead of the talks. The fifth round of negotiations is expected by some to be the last, with the UK and New Zealand largely in agreement on most issues.

A deal could boost UK exports by as much as £100million a year.

Mr O'Connor's trip to London is the first undertaken by a Kiwi minister since the outbreak of the pandemic last spring.

It is hoped the outline of a trade deal will be announced following the latest set of negotiations.

Ahead of the talks, Ms Truss said both sides were eager to "turn momentum into results".

She said: "We've made great progress so far, but I want to intensify negotiations and move closer to a deal that works for both nations.

Elizabeth Truss standing in front of a brick building: Ms Truss said she wanted to turn 'momentum into results'© PA Ms Truss said she wanted to turn 'momentum into results'
"Both sides are keen to turn momentum into results.

"I want an advanced agreement that shows what Britain can do as a sovereign trading nation - delivering better access for our services companies, slashing tariffs for our exporters, and benefitting consumers here at home.

"A deal will pave the way for us to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a £9trillion free trade area, which will help our farmers and businesses reach some of the biggest and fastest-growing markets in the world.

"Asia-Pacific is where the richest opportunities lie for Global Britain."

Britain is looking to join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership that made up of 11 countries including Australia, Canada, Japan and New Zealand and is worth almost £10trillion a year.

Trade between the UK and New Zealand is already worth an estimated £3.2billion a year with an agreement likely to see the figure grow.

The talks come on the same week a trade deal with Australia was signed off by Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

A breakthrough in negotiations with Canberra came in after the country's trade minister similarly flew to Britain for in-person talks.

Ms Truss and the Australian trade minister agreed the broad outline of a deal in April with officials finalising elements of the pact ahead of being singed off when Boris Johnson hosted the Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison at Downing Street earlier this week.

The Department for International Trade had been hoping to have both deals ready to sign off by Easter, but the timeline slipped as frictions in negotiations slowed the pace of discussions.

Britain's deal with New Zealand is expected to largely mirror the one signed with Australia.

It will help remove tariffs to make it cheaper for UK companies to export to New Zealand.

Brits are also set to benefit from being able to buy cheaper goods from Wellington under the deal.

The terms of the UK's deal with Australia angered many British farmers, with fears lower quality cuts of meat imported from Canberra could be sold in the UK for cheaper prices under the agreement.

But with the New Zealand deal likely to include similar terms, on Wednesday Ms Truss told farmers to stop being "defensive".

"We can see the evidence, that sales of British beef international are growing to places like Asia-Pacific and the United States because people want to buy high quality British products produced in a high animal welfare way," she said.

"We need to be positive about what we've got to sell rather than being defensive."

[CasRus]

Brexit breakthrough: EU states sign off on massive deal for UK - huge boost for business
Joe Barnes, Brussels Correspondent 6 hrs ago

Member state envoys endorsed the UK's data protection standards as sufficiently high enough that such information will be allowed to flow between Britain and the EU. The decision will allow the European Commission to adopt two adequacy decisions before the end of June to allow a seamless transition at the end of a six-month grace period for data flows. It relates to the EU's overarching General Data Protection Regulation and a directive on processing data connected with criminal offences, including victims, witnesses and suspects.

The move is seen as a big boost for cross-Channel business and crime-fighting efforts after Brexit.

Global software giant BSA welcomed the decision by EU member states, saying that adequacy frameworks were vice for personal data transfers of thousands of firms operating in Europe.

The EU has previously granted similar adequacy decisions for Argentina, Canada, Israel, Japan, New Zealand and Switzerland.

Georgina Kon, a technology specialist at law firm Linklaters, said businesses could breathe a sigh of relief.

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Confirmation of Nissan’s £1bn investment creating thousands of jobs. Nissan was part of Project Fear, weren’t they going to leave the UK on a leave result.

Project Fear did a great job in frightening Capper and his mates, thankfully they didn’t prevail

[FIat Capper]

Awww bless, must be day release again...

[CasRus]

Alf is just stating some facts here which he was correct on as there was a lot of invoked fear from remainers about Nissan exit stage lefting and that has now not happened ! Mind You , as Capper mentions, it's nice to see Alf out again on day release .....!! Ha Ha we've got to have a laugh at each other on occasion in a bit of banter !! I will await a bit of baiting at my expense with some trepidation !!