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Post by FIat Capper » 14 May 2021, 10:42

Sorry, I don't believe any of that. We were assured leaving the EU would make no difference to trade, maybe even improve it. There'd be no barriers and no tariffs, etc.

Why would the government mislead us..?

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Post by CasRus » 02 Jun 2021, 18:20

Brexit victory dismantles Remainer nonsense - economic expert tears apart scaremongering
James Bickerton 9 hrs ago

Earlier this year the Japanese car maker announced another £500 million in spending for its Sunderland plant. It is now reportedly in advanced talks to build its biggest electric car battery factory outside Japan on the site.

According to the Financial Times, Nissan could boost could expand its existing battery manufacturer to produce 200,000 units per year.

The paper claims Kwasi Kwarteng, the business secretary, had a Zoom meeting two weeks ago with Nissan chief operating officer Ashwani Gupta.

Nissan is requesting hundreds of millions in state assistance to back the project.

This could come from a £500 million budget created by the Government to back electric battery production.

The UK is to ban the sale of new non-hybrid petrol and diesel cars from 2030 in a bid to cut carbon emissions.

If confirmed the new battery factory could open in 2024 creating several thousand new jobs.

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Post by alftupper » 02 Jun 2021, 23:16

Another piece of news that flies in the fave of the Project Fear campaign of 2016 CasRus. Another company Rolls Royce who attempted to terrify their workforce by threatening job losses in the event of Brexit this week opened a £90m state of the art testing faculty not in Brussels but Derby!

Project Fear was always going to frighten the likes of Cspper who likes the warm comforting arms of the state around him but thank god for us and the 17.4m others who have a pair

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Post by FIat Capper » 03 Jun 2021, 10:25

alftupper wrote: 02 Jun 2021, 23:16 Another piece of news that flies in the fave of the Project Fear campaign of 2016 CasRus. Another company Rolls Royce who attempted to terrify their workforce by threatening job losses in the event of Brexit this week opened a £90m state of the art testing faculty not in Brussels but Derby!

Project Fear was always going to frighten the likes of Cspper who likes the warm comforting arms of the state around him but thank god for us and the 17.4m others who have a pair
Is that the same Rolls Royce who cut 9,000 jobs last year?

I'd also like to give a thought to the long-standing fishing family who've had to sell their brand new trawler because the new arrangements mean they cannot fish.

I could also expand on the troubles in NI where the Unionists are deeply worried about the Border arrangements we said would have a catastrophic impact.

As is always the case with those of us who care, we look at the individuals rather than the multi-nationals who should be able to take care of themselves.

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Post by CasRus » 03 Jun 2021, 11:59

FIat Capper wrote: 03 Jun 2021, 10:25
alftupper wrote: 02 Jun 2021, 23:16 Another piece of news that flies in the fave of the Project Fear campaign of 2016 CasRus. Another company Rolls Royce who attempted to terrify their workforce by threatening job losses in the event of Brexit this week opened a £90m state of the art testing faculty not in Brussels but Derby!

Project Fear was always going to frighten the likes of Cspper who likes the warm comforting arms of the state around him but thank god for us and the 17.4m others who have a pair
Is that the same Rolls Royce who cut 9,000 jobs last year?

I'd also like to give a thought to the long-standing fishing family who've had to sell their brand new trawler because the new arrangements mean they cannot fish.

I could also expand on the troubles in NI where the Unionists are deeply worried about the Border arrangements we said would have a catastrophic impact.

As is always the case with those of us who care, we look at the individuals rather than the multi-nationals who should be able to take care of themselves.
Capper, it was always obvious there was going to have to be business re-structure with Brexit and some winners and some losers with newly formed methodologies coming out of the EU - It's just a question of adapting to a brave new business world and bringing in the massive opportunities Brexit presents and needs time/patience to establish which we are scheduled to start seeing the benefits over the next few years. Obviously some challenges but nothing we can't handle !!

I for one am so glad we can now move on making our own decisions rather than being run by a very corrupt EU cartel in Brussels who have always turned a blind eye to EU rule breaking by other EU countries whereas we have played by "Queensbury" rules - The Bad Smell of the EU is now lifting thank God !!

Just look at for example France and Spain who have been sticking the boot into us be it Gibraltar / stopping vaccines / blockading Jersey yet they are crying their eyes out for a Green status so that they can benefit from all our tourism money we have to spend - Hypocritical or what wanting our money but not wanting us to succeed or benefit !!! It's been like that for the past 40 years !!!!!!! I hope Boris sticks the boot back in to them and not allow Green Status !!

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Post by FIat Capper » 03 Jun 2021, 12:20

whilst ever you walk around with those EU chips on your shoulders you'll always be weighed down.

I wholeheartedly agree that opportunities are only as good as what you make of them and being in the EU had massive advantages for many, many businesses. It was a market ready and waiting to be exploited.

I also agree that now we're out we have the whole world to play with but I've yet to see any trade agreement that weighs heavily in our favour. They've only opened us up to even more exploitation.

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Post by CasRus » 03 Jun 2021, 14:28

FIat Capper wrote: 03 Jun 2021, 12:20 whilst ever you walk around with those EU chips on your shoulders you'll always be weighed down.

I wholeheartedly agree that opportunities are only as good as what you make of them and being in the EU had massive advantages for many, many businesses. It was a market ready and waiting to be exploited.

I also agree that now we're out we have the whole world to play with but I've yet to see any trade agreement that weighs heavily in our favour. They've only opened us up to even more exploitation.
Yes well those EU chips that you mention finally weighed too heavy and broke the Carmel’s back for the majority of people which was concurred by the democratic referendum - so you and all will have to enjoy those sausages !!!
So, let’s see what the next few years bring re trade agreements as I can see you are a glass half empty type of person like most remainers who fail to grow a pair and back themselves when the EU chips are down and cast off !!

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Post by FIat Capper » 03 Jun 2021, 16:29

I genuinely don't understand the back ourselves, grow a pair toss.

It's like we had no successful businesses at all whilst under the EU, there was no growth in in the UK since the early 70's and there were no entrepreneurs making a fast buck. We can't have been Widely regarded as one of the worlds financial centres with millionaires falling over themselves, flooding in from Russia and the Middle East.

It would seem we never had any hope in this great country of ours...

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Post by CasRus » 03 Jun 2021, 19:38

FIat Capper wrote: 03 Jun 2021, 16:29 I genuinely don't understand the back ourselves, grow a pair toss.

It's like we had no successful businesses at all whilst under the EU, there was no growth in in the UK since the early 70's and there were no entrepreneurs making a fast buck. We can't have been Widely regarded as one of the worlds financial centres with millionaires falling over themselves, flooding in from Russia and the Middle East.

It would seem we never had any hope in this great country of ours...
Yawn Yawn !!!

You keep banging on with your remain stance Capper and I will still send promising Brexit Developments like the following just announced which is the exciting Brexit future and not old "what we had with the EU" tosh that cost us a fortune to maintain being in their corrupt cartel !!:-

UK-Norway trade deal set to be done by Saturday with tariffs slashed on British agriculture
Stefan Boscia 1 hour ago

The UK and Norway are set to strike a £20bn trade deal within the next two days, with both sides very close to an agreement.

A source close to international trade secretary Liz Truss told City A.M. the deal will likely slash Norwegian tariffs on British agricultural exports, like beef and cheese, and provide more access to Norwegian fish imports to the UK.

The deal is also likely to include more digital provisions for data than the EU-Norway trade deal, which the UK had previously rolled over.

The source said it is likely an announcement will be made “in the next 24 to 48 hours”, after negotiations looked to be at an impasse just days ago.

The Christian Democrats party (Krf), part of the current coalition government, last week refused to open up the Norwegian market to British beef and cheese, fearing non-tariff access would put many farmers in the country out of businesses.

However, it appears that an agreement has been struck thanks to the UK’s willingness to open up the UK market to Norwegian fish.

A source close to Truss said the increased fish imports would be “good for fishing towns like Grimsby”.

Norwegian family minister Kjell Ingolf Ropstad told local broadcaster NRK: “It is a large country with which we negotiate an agreement, which is also concerned with gaining good access to the market. But I experience a great deal of agreement in the government that this is a very important agreement for Norway, and that we will work hard to get it in place.”

It was key that a new trade agreement between the countries was closed soon as it has to be ratified by the Norwegian parliament before it goes into summer recess in three weeks’ time.

After the EU, the UK is Norway’s most important trading partner, with an estimated annual value of around £20bn.

The Norwegian market is small, but highly attractive for UK exporters, as prices are high and consumers have strong purchasing power.

The deal will be the latest in a string of agreements closed by international trade secretary Liz Truss.

She is also likely to wrap up an Australian trade deal in two weeks’ time, which will be the UK’s first agreement negotiated from scratch post-Brexit.

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Post by alftupper » 04 Jun 2021, 07:37

We know him all too well CasRus, he will never back our country and will always take the opportunity to talk us down

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Post by CasRus » 04 Jun 2021, 10:01

alftupper wrote: 04 Jun 2021, 07:37 We know him all too well CasRus, he will never back our country and will always take the opportunity to talk us down
At least we are on the same page !!.............. Capper is now reading "Once Upon a Time in the EU" books !! ..... #-o #-o :D :D

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Post by FIat Capper » 04 Jun 2021, 11:26

Not for the first time you misunderstand the facts in front of you. My last post was an attack on you two constantly putting our fantastic country down whilst we were in the EU.

We were great, always have been, and we led the world in many, many things. Being in the EU didn't stop us.

Oh, and I'm sure our increased quota for fishing that we recently agreed with the EU will really benefit from the massive Norwegian fleet flooding our ports. Another agreement that will have a huge detrimental impact on many.

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FIat Capper wrote: 04 Jun 2021, 11:26 Not for the first time you misunderstand the facts in front of you. My last post was an attack on you two constantly putting our fantastic country down whilst we were in the EU.

We were great, always have been, and we led the world in many, many things. Being in the EU didn't stop us.

Oh, and I'm sure our increased quota for fishing that we recently agreed with the EU will really benefit from the massive Norwegian fleet flooding our ports. Another agreement that will have a huge detrimental impact on many.
Capper, you are becoming dillusional !!

Both Capper and I have never put our country down and we have always recognised the UK to be a great country !! - The fact of the matter is (which I believe both Alf and certainly I) is that the EU have been milking this great country of ours for the past 40 years or so !!!!! That is the actual reality and you are now really grasping at straws which is very unbecoming of you in insinuating and which is an absolute lie to to say we have been attacking our fantastic country !! A bit shameful if you ask me !!! Get your facts straight Matey !!

On fishing which I consider a side issue , I will say that to get into bed with Norway is a positive move in building a strong and close relationship with them as Russia is moving in on Greenland /Arctica as I speak which will have serious implications for our security and we need the NorseLand Countries now more than ever to form an effective front from the rise of Russia who are looking to control Northern sea passages and take control of Arctica and who are looking to take full control of the massive resources there. If we don't form alliances with Norway/Sweden/Denmark and even Germany/Netherlands , we are going to be subservient to Soviet rule - PERIOD !!

I don't know if you are looking at the news lately, but Russia in Northern Europe and China in South China/ Australasian seas are now making very threatening moves and developing massive arsenals including ultra modern Nuclear Hypersonic missile technology that would catch you with your trousers round your ankles sat on the pot and not enough time to wipe your backside !! Even China are now speaking about a Nuclear War on the cards !!

The drag of the southern EU countries have effectively milked Northern European countries for many a year and we just can't and couldn't afford to sit back taking that cr.p anymore !! - A more efficient alliance with efficient countries within Europe would have been the best with Northern EU countries and that is why Brexit showing the rest to consider breaking free (i.e. Sweden for example who are weighing up this option) - and that's giving some credence to forming an efficient Super EU at best with free trade if you still believe an EU should still exist and that is that and what and why Brexit was the trailblazer to essentially make this happen as a reforming of Northern EU while still in command of our ability to make our own decisions !! After all, that is what we originally went into Europe for and which was called the Common Market and not to have everything decided by a small corrupt cartel in Brussels making all our laws and regulations which successive UK governments since joining the Common Market were embarrassingly hoodwinked in to accepting while bleeding us dry !! These alliances with trade with Norway for example is now starting to show what the Master-Plan really is and what it Brexit is and was from the outset - Back to Common Market Principles with strong strategic ties within Europe and being able to also go out for other World Trade Deals for future Prosperity and not being tied to Antiquated EU of Old Principles running on a mouse treadmill to nowhere !! Get with the Program Capper !!

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Post by FIat Capper » 07 Jun 2021, 11:43

And I'm clutching at straws...but, let me see if I've read your comments correctly.

Being part of the EU and the strong allegiances we had, both economically and in defence, were a strangle on our great nation and we could not survive in the world?

But, to tackle the huge threat from the likes of Russia and China we need strong allegiances with the likes of Norway (a neutral country) and Sweden as well as other Northern EU countries so we can effectively fight against those wishing to take over the world. Even a economic bond with these like-for-like countries would benefit Great Britain & NI?

Presumably this would be even more effective if we let the Greeks (bordering the East), the Spanish (gateway to/from Africa) and Italy (again, easy access from Africa) fight on their own. Use them as collateral damage so to speak leaving our group of allies safe and sound with the enemies at the door?

Sounds great...

Anyway, I've just read the warnings about the difficulties of obtaining day-to-day goods as various aspects of trouble and strife around the world are effecting imports. I would hope this shows that as a Nation we need to dramatically increase our manufacturing base, and pay for it rather than relying on cheap Chinese imports, so we can improve our economic standing - jobs created, money to spend locally, building our strengths.

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Post by CasRus » 07 Jun 2021, 19:58

FIat Capper wrote: 07 Jun 2021, 11:43 And I'm clutching at straws...but, let me see if I've read your comments correctly.

Being part of the EU and the strong allegiances we had, both economically and in defence, were a strangle on our great nation and we could not survive in the world?

But, to tackle the huge threat from the likes of Russia and China we need strong allegiances with the likes of Norway (a neutral country) and Sweden as well as other Northern EU countries so we can effectively fight against those wishing to take over the world. Even a economic bond with these like-for-like countries would benefit Great Britain & NI?

Presumably this would be even more effective if we let the Greeks (bordering the East), the Spanish (gateway to/from Africa) and Italy (again, easy access from Africa) fight on their own. Use them as collateral damage so to speak leaving our group of allies safe and sound with the enemies at the door?

Sounds great...

Anyway, I've just read the warnings about the difficulties of obtaining day-to-day goods as various aspects of trouble and strife around the world are effecting imports. I would hope this shows that as a Nation we need to dramatically increase our manufacturing base, and pay for it rather than relying on cheap Chinese imports, so we can improve our economic standing - jobs created, money to spend locally, building our strengths.
Russia are building military installations in the Northern Climes and some very frightening stuff is going on there with weaponry and the northern gateway through Norway/Sweden/Finland and Denmark has just got a lot more urgent to protect as Russia has very easy access being a Border Country rather than what they have through the Med Countries and Russia is after the huge resources that a melting Arctic is now presenting which they are rushing in to take control.
I could envision the USA being a key support partner in the Med to protect that region in having various ties with Saudi/Israel who have latest military tech and I would perceive Italy/France and even Turkey forming an alliance to stop any Soviet threat on the southern front.

It would make sense to build a military and strategic alliance with the Baltic Countries as they have some very clever and astute tech enterprises and would make every bit of sense geographically and that would/should include Germany where a concerted strengthening of security is going to be paramount.

Yes I agree that we need to roll back dependence on China's cheap imports and re-start locally which is going to be very difficult when China is using cheap and also slave labour to produce goods which we obviously cannot compete against on cost. Anyway, I have a strong suspicion that China will go to war in taking over the South China Sea initially with taking over Taiwan and will go after the Phillipines and then on to Oz !! The question is, can the USA stop them ........ I very much doubt it and may back away as it would cause WW3 and that is what China is threatening right now and also banking on to build their power base !!

Pure Speculation but one to watch !!!!

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Post by FIat Capper » 08 Jun 2021, 12:03

The northern European situation is very interesting and I simply cannot understand why the whole of Europe shouldn't be working together on it. One of the many reasons why I still think we work better together and I hope Brexit won't prevent this entirely as I feel working solely with the Baltic nations may not be enough.

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FIat Capper wrote: 08 Jun 2021, 12:03 The northern European situation is very interesting and I simply cannot understand why the whole of Europe shouldn't be working together on it. One of the many reasons why I still think we work better together and I hope Brexit won't prevent this entirely as I feel working solely with the Baltic nations may not be enough.
Problem with the whole of Europe as a whole is that the Northern Situated Countries are more affluent and harder working than the Southern Countries and are more aligned to creating technological breakthroughs - if you look at the past 40 years you will see that it was the Northern Countries paying into the EU and the Southern Countries being predominantly bailed out and that is why the EU project in my opinion was/is never going to fully work and be fair, hence Brexit happening. It is like comparing German "VorsprungDurchTechnik" to "BasketPlace" Greece smashing plates at Dinner (i.e. them paying out pensions at 55 and no contributions going in and getting a massive Loan from the EU to cover their shortfall at contributing nations taxpayers expense!!).

There is behind the scenes work going on to form Northern Alliances of that I am pretty sure so let's get these established and strongly efficient before we go about trying to help those greedy Spain/Greece and France included countries giving us a good nasty kicking on Gibraltar/Fishing for example while smiling their heads off when the tourist £ is bring in Gazillions for them and welcoming us with open arms while we have our wallets open !!!!

Yes it is protectionist type of move from a Northern Europe perspective but you now look at how efficient both Russia and China have become and unfortunately we need to start thinking about ourselves and out of the box before we (and other European Countries) get swallowed up and taken over and where we need to be ready for all eventualities !! Getting Strong would mean it could trickle down at a later stage to South Europe and, like you want Capper, which is a strong EU, run and done correctly rather than corrupt Brussels making stupid/bipartisan decisions and feathering their own nest in a very in-efficient way as to what was in all probability really going on !!

UK/Sweden/Germany/Denmark/Finland/Netherlands/Poland forming a "Super EU" along with some smaller nations like Switzerland Austria Rep of Ireland etc would be a great alliance in my opinion with Tech/Military cooperative sharing and........ "Free Trade" !! A Much Smarter way !!! The EU is antiquated and with outdated methods !!

Some Countries like Sweden and Switzerland are about ready to form trade agreements with us and that really tells me a story that other countries are starting to think outside of the EU run dictatorship and see a better pathway like Brexit Britain has now embarked on !!

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UK secures new deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein

The UK has agreed a new trade deal with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein that will see significant tariff reductions on British food and drink products such as cheese, meat, wine and spirits. In addition, reduced import taxes on the UK fishing sector will support around 18,000 industry jobs in northern England and Scotland.


This comes as another boost to Scotland and for the food and drink sector after the UK and Australia agreed on the removal of a 5% tariff on whisky exports.


International Trade Secretary, Liz Truss, said: “Today’s deal will be a major boost for our trade with Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, growing an economic relationship already worth £21.6 billion, while supporting jobs and prosperity in all four nations at home.”

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Brexit mega-pact! Boris eyes extraordinary £58BN trade bonanza in South America
Bill McLoughlin 10 hrs ago

Now free from the EU post-Brexit, one MP told Express.co.uk the UK was ready to "reset the clock" on its trade history with the continent. Mark Menzies, trade envoy for Peru, Chile, Argentina and Columbia revealed the opportunities for trade with the continent were "absolutely huge" for the UK. The Government has already signed deals with Columbia, Peru and Chile now the UK has left the EU, which Mr Menzies claimed caused Britain's presence in some parts of the world to die.

Indeed, before the Second World War, the UK had been a major trading partner in South America but that trade trailed off after joining the bloc in 1973.

Speaking to Express.co.uk, Mr Menzies said: "In terms of growth, it is going to be absolutely huge.

"And bear in mind, we are starting from a low base.

"So the growth levels, potentially can be very large."

In particular, the UK could see growth in terms of infrastructure, agriculture, green energy and education the MP for Fylde claimed.

In 2019, the UK signed continuity agreements with the three South American countries which replicated the existing deals with the EU.

While the deals may be valued lowly currently, the opportunity for increased trade is massive for the UK due to the exciting new opportunities for businesses.

Although some have criticised the UK's exit, Mr Menzies insisted the South American countries have viewed Britain's departure as an exciting chance to boost trade.

Mr Menzies added: "In some of the British press, you'd have felt that everyone was viewing the UK as being isolationist.

"That Brexit was a bad thing but not at all, these countries were all wanting trade deals, they were wanting an opportunity, they saw it as an opportunity across a whole range of sectors to do business with the UK.

"And they saw it as an opportunity to begin to reset the clock that was stopped when the UK joined the EU.

"So this was something that was, you know, really exciting for them.

"And I think one of the challenges known for us is to get British companies big and small, to start to get into markets that we may or may not have had a presence, you know, in some cases for decades."

In a further boost for UK plc, both Chile and Peru are members of the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP).

Accounting for 11 countries across the world, the alliance covers 500 million people.

By increasing trade with some of the member states, the UK has been able to begin proceedings to join the alliance.

On June 2, the CPTPP approved the UK's ascent to being the membership process which cut tariffs in a wide range of sectors.

As part of the alliance, it is hoped the drop in tariffs could build on the £58billion in goods the UK exports to the 11 countries.

Commenting on the membership, Ms Truss said: "CPTTP membership is a huge opportunity for Britain.

"It will help shift our economic centre of gravity away from Europe towards faster-growing parts of the world, and deepen our access to massive consumer markets in the Asia-Pacific.

"We would get all the benefits of joining a high-standards free trade area, but without having to cede control of our borders, money or laws."

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Post by FIat Capper » 15 Jun 2021, 12:37

No news on the Aussie 'free trade' deal CasRus?

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