BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

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CasRus
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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by CasRus » Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:33 pm

FIat Capper wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:56 pm
Tigers1926 wrote:
Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:55 pm
I would suggest that any British murderers who want to travel/emigrate will have their history/criminal record go beforehand, whereas these who risk it in a dinghy are trying to mingle in, knowing that when they land in Kent they will be met by paramedics to check em out, police to try and get some information from the individuals which they are really going to be up front about, before they are fed and put on a coach to be spread around the country in nice hotels paid for by guess who! Will they have had their criminal record checked out? mmmmm 🤔 but like I said in a previous post, the French are escorting them to the edge of French waters! Not good enough really when they have already travelled through France.
We only know about the convicted murderers, I'm talking about the potential for these folk to emigrate prior to being caught but still capable of hennas crimes. Just like the very tiny few you are talking about coming here.

And the French have upped patrol along their beaches but the criminal underworld that organises these sight-seeing tours know full well how to avoid the authorities. Once they've made it to our shores they are sent to detention centres to be assessed and once we are satisfied they can be released into the community, they do so.

It is also widely acknowledged that prior to Brexit, the net benefits of immigration work far more in our favour than to the detriment. However, only time will tell what the impact will be now that we've cut off our island from the Eastern Europeans that greatly added to our economy.
Capper, you are starting to make me laugh at your naive shortcomings and outlook !

How many murderers do you think are walking about the UK who are still free - it's probably a handful at best !

How many Isis members are most likely to be sat in France awaiting their opportunity to get into the UK ? I bet it's 10 fold more than what murderers who are still walking free around the UK !! Also, these Isis members have been highly trained in the Middle East and have wilful intent to murder as many as possible with bomb making as a skill set example (remember London and Manchester Arena), whereas a murderer here is looking for a one hit opportunity. THERE IS NO COMPARISON - you have your head stuck somewhere oblivious !! The risk to the UK is enormous in comparison. Also, how do you think our detention centres are going to weedle out these people who they don't have any intel on ??? It's nigh on impossible !!

On Immigration work, just let me repeat it one more time for you as it seems it ain't sinking in ! We have a sizeable set of people who are content to lard arse their way through life costing the taxpayer oodles of money when they could be replacing these Eastern Europeans who take up valuable and hard to come by housing, send most of their money back to their motherland and also have the audacity to claim child benefit money and also send back for their children back home !! Our Lard Arse work shy contingent could negate all of this need for imported labour and the money saved in pancrack payments would at least provide more money for badly needed projects here in the UK like more Hospitals, better roads etc !!! GET REAL WILL YOU - IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE !!!

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by alftupper » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:16 pm

FIat Capper wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:56 pm

It is also widely acknowledged that prior to Brexit, the net benefits of immigration work far more in our favour than to the detriment.
You are talking in terms of economic prosperity and off course the likes of the CBI would love more and more cheap Labour to wash up on shore. Brexiteers have said all along it’s not all about the money. It’s quite normal now to be stood in a supermarket queue and not be able to have a chat about the weather because the line consists of non English speakers jabbering in tongues. Non English speaking ghettos springing up all over the place. As for the economic migrants and that is what they are from the Middle East, do we really need to be inflating the proportion of our population who live their lives by a medieval religious culture. I don’t want them here, we have spent millions on setting up safe camps for these people in their own lands they should stay there and help rebuild their society.

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Post by FIat Capper » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:18 pm

My head is only stuck in periodicals and online, reading facts about all these situations - facts you and your lot choose to ignore.

For the number of Isis supporters coming over there are 10 fold already here, born and bred. Security services do an outstanding job trying to keep an eye on them. It's similar to the terrors brought about during the Northern Irish situation in the 70's/80's but we didn't ban the Irish from coming over did we?

The fact that a miniscule number may come over with the intent to harm doesn't justify closing our borders to one and all, otherwise there'd be no international travel.

On immigration as whole and as I keep saying, prior to Brexit, free movement benefitted the British economy, it made us money. Yes there are some that choose not to work but not enough to fill the void and certainly not enough with the required skills. I do however, support Gov't spending to improve training and education to give everyone the chance to shine. I's like training dogs, if you keep beating them they simply refuse to respond positively. Adequate rewards are the way forward.

It's not even basic math's let alone rocket science...

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Post by FIat Capper » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:19 pm

alftupper wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:16 pm
FIat Capper wrote:
Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:56 pm

It is also widely acknowledged that prior to Brexit, the net benefits of immigration work far more in our favour than to the detriment.
You are talking in terms of economic prosperity and off course the likes of the CBI would love more and more cheap Labour to wash up on shore. Brexiteers have said all along it’s not all about the money. It’s quite normal now to be stood in a supermarket queue and not be able to have a chat about the weather because the line consists of non English speakers jabbering in tongues. Non English speaking ghettos springing up all over the place. As for the economic migrants and that is what they are from the Middle East, do we really need to be inflating the proportion of our population who live their lives by a medieval religious culture. I don’t want them here, we have spent millions on setting up safe camps for these people in their own lands they should stay there and help rebuild their society.
Why not chuck racism in as well...

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Post by Tigers1926 » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:26 pm

Who you calling racist FC? This is what a lot of lefties don't understand and call concern, racism. As for the minuscule who come here to murder in the name of my God is better than your God, I think you'll find it is a massive percentage per head. They put them straight on coaches at Dover and they are taken all over the UK to hotels, eg the hotel at whitwood, the nice one at the side of the M1 at wakefield etc. They are not checked for covid, they just make the driver wear a mask. Would you drive a coach full of young Islamic men? No, me neither. I have enough dealings with these at Calais or Dunkerque or whichever port I'm booked to sail from, and a lot are carrying knives. The EU doesn't really give a toss and never really have because it's "oh Britain will have em" I blame the companies for employing them for less money and the government for letting our lazy buggers get away with it. Now we have left the EU, we should be able to accept or reject whoever we like and not have to answer to anyone. Like I said previously, these European countries seem to have short memories, otherwise they would be speaking German..

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Post by CasRus » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:19 pm

Capper, you really have stirred up a hornet's nest here !!

This is not anything to do with Racism, it's pure and simple logic to risk assess and lessen the dangers by keeping a very tight reign on who comes in and unfortunately that means in my book that we should not be allowing any illegal immigrant into this country and lessen the chances of another Manchester Arena and London atrocities - Sorry if that sounds inhumane but I don't want to be seeing another atrocity with body parts being picked up belonging to innocent young teenagers like what happened in Manchester - I just don't know what you are even thinking to put all our lives at risk in the way you are thinking ! - Wake up and pour yourself a Gin and Tonic instead of Water !!!

Another thing, your Labour Mayor "Red Khan" is wanting to rename streets in London which have been historically there for centuries - Now you tell me what the hell is going on with this country as it certainly seems that we are being taken over by stealth !!! We have allowed Mosques to be built here to accommodate the Muslim community in playing by Queensbury Rules however I'd like to see you try to get a Church built in Saudi Arabia !! Muslim groups supported by Isis in Mozambique and Southern Phillipines are killing innocent Christian people in the name of Allah !!And you are calling your own people Racist !!! Give me a Break !!

It's Pure and Simple - We should be trying to protect ourselves as much as possible in an overcrowded world as the proverbial doo doo is about to hit the fan in the next few years and having us compromised will no doubt in my mind see carnage on our streets !!

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Post by Tigers1926 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:08 am

CasRus, I couldn't have put it better myself. As I've said previously I'm a truck driver who witnesses first hand who are trying to get to this country, and let me tell you that you wouldn't want these as your neighbour's. This country does have compassion, but a line has to be drawn before it's too late. The reason why they want to come here has to be stopped. I don't think our grandparents and great grandparents fought for how our country is heading, and I fear for our children and our children's children. It seems that your either ok with what is going on, or your a racist for being concerned. I knew it was coming, and boom, FC couldn't help himself. So, let's have a rate go outside of the gang and make it work for us and future generations.

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Post by alftupper » Sat Feb 13, 2021 10:08 am

How many of these ‘refugees’ who land on the south coast shingle have made the trip direct from their homeland? It would be a feat to rival the 3,500 miles covered by our very own Captain Bligh! I would also suggest a physical impossibility from land locked Syria. The minute these people set foot in Italy, Greece etc they cease to be refugees and any further migration across Europe’s hinterland is purely motivated by reaching what they perceive to be the land of milk and honey... the UK

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Post by Tigers1926 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:39 am

Spot on alftupper..

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Post by CasRus » Sat Feb 13, 2021 3:51 pm

Yes thanks Alf and Tigers1926 !

I think Capper is getting a right royal stuffing on his opinions as he is putting weaker responses by the day !

On Capper's "Always an EU Remainer" standpoint concerning Brexit, here are a few of today's headlines reported that should make him wince and not from the Daily Mail may I add which he keeps referring to as a Brexiteering rag !! :-

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EU warned: Italian PM's new leadership will 'facilitate fight to leave' Brussels bloc

'Shot yourself in the foot!' EU warned Brexit 'games' will do catastrophic damage to bloc
Dan Falvey, Political Correspondent 6 hrs ago

Ursula von der Leyen told to immediately resign after Brussels' power grab sparks outrage

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As that famous songline goes - "There May Be Trouble Ahead" and that's coming to an EU near You !!

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Post by Tigers1926 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:48 pm

The remoaners still won't accept that we've left the biggest corrupt closed shop in the world. Then to throw in the racist card which is actually the joker without actually knowing the person they are throwing it at, just shows how desperate they become. It seems we've got to accept immigration no matter what is coming in to the country or we are racist. Anyway let's crack on with getting back to putting the Great back in to Britain, and thanks for your support 🇬🇧

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Post by FIat Capper » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:20 pm

Have you all finished crying yet?

Am I right in thinking you believe we should close our borders to everyone then, allow no one in just in case.

Whilst I cannot imagine the pain and suffering caused by the attempts to attack our free and open culture here in the UK, the unwanted death toll is no more or less significant than the deaths of those attempt to secure freedom in the first place.

The answer is not to close our borders but to stop the need to leave their countries. that way, we all benefit.

Your scaremongering is not helping one bit and is only fueling hatred. It's that tactic that has just cost Trump hos Presidency.

By the racist tag was aimed at the comments from Alfie Babe with his use and context of the term "non-English". However, you all seem quite keen on allowing those from CANZ to come here unhindered. I wonder why?

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Post by CasRus » Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:59 pm

FIat Capper wrote:
Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:20 pm
Have you all finished crying yet?

Am I right in thinking you believe we should close our borders to everyone then, allow no one in just in case.

Whilst I cannot imagine the pain and suffering caused by the attempts to attack our free and open culture here in the UK, the unwanted death toll is no more or less significant than the deaths of those attempt to secure freedom in the first place.

The answer is not to close our borders but to stop the need to leave their countries. that way, we all benefit.

Your scaremongering is not helping one bit and is only fueling hatred. It's that tactic that has just cost Trump hos Presidency.

By the racist tag was aimed at the comments from Alfie Babe with his use and context of the term "non-English". However, you all seem quite keen on allowing those from CANZ to come here unhindered. I wonder why?
God Capper, you are hard work at times and mis-construe quite a number of times !!

I ain't saying the border should be closed to legally entitled and "properly applied for" citizenship in entering the UK for families who can prove they are in a perilous persecuted position which should be based on a fixed number per year as to what we can only accept without getting totally bogged down) and any person who can contribute with skill sets that benefit the country (points based system similar to Oz).

Also as you have stated, You tell me how you expect the UK to stop the need to leave other countries !!!.... IMPOSSIBLE and there is no plausibility to this at all without going back in again which only leads to more fragmentation like what happened in Iraq and Libya !! You should have already sussed that out !!!!

On your comparison to CANZ, this is a 2 way street to allow people who have skill sets to offer each other's country, set up bi lateral business links, have immigration/emigration potential for all in these countries to progress and excel populations in a constructive manner and where each country have settled rule of law and are considered safe especially with people moving who have law abiding principles - This is where we and the whole world benefits in progress and where trust and safety can exist !!!!

On Your outlook on this is to allow people arriving from lands who do not have law abiding principles, have armed groups controlling swathes of their homeland training terrorists and who are ready to infiltrate us in accepting illegals arriving over the channel and which risks and threatens our way of life !! I just hope you haven't got any daughter risk being blasted into broken bits ready to be put inside a body bag like they did in Manchester Arena !!!

You would have us going back pretty sharp to never ever exterminating a world that keeps repeating the same old same old past historical fights of old !! It's simple, these Middle Eastern and African countries have not got the intelligence to move forward and still end up destroying each others culture which is even more existent today and you want to risk importing these problems into the UK ?? I don't think So !! We have been playing by Queensbury Rules long enough and all they do is spit it back in our face.... time to move on and let them sort their own issues out and that's not to say we should not try to help innocent persecuted people where possible either !!

I hope that has now sunk in Capper, as none of us are racist but there comes a time when enough is enough and we need to work with countries that are morally intelligent and have similar principles - those badland countries are far behind and hopefully one day catch up and get rid of their "infidel, I kill you" ways and be proper human beings.

Both Tiger1926 having seen what these illegals are at the border and elsewhere on his travels and I (having worked extensively in both the Middle East and Africa) do have some semblance of shared experiences to derive our points of view from and it is sometimes good to listen to people who have based their experiences and their knowledge to share with others !!! Tiger 1926 has opened up your and our eyes as to what is sat awaiting in France to illegally infiltrate us and I for one would want these undesirables sent back immediately if they ever landed here !

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Post by FIat Capper » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:32 pm

You still make the mistake of taring everyone from certain countries with the same brush but don't accept it when I use those misguided principals across all.

Do you remember the IRA mass bombings on British soil? This problem was resolved at source and we currently live in a safer place because of it.

And as I have said numerous times before, many of the fundamentalists in Briton are born and bred here from a lineage of well respected immigrants from the 50/60's. Should we just send them all back, wherever that may be for those born over here.

You say you support the principal of providing safe haven for those that desperately need it but how can you assess the needs if you simply load them up and send them back? You have to let them land first and then assess them. The failure to correctly do this is our failure and is not an excuse to act inhumanly. The difficulty is with those that aren't found, the true criminal gang led trips that can easily slip into society. Again, based on your principals, the only solution would be to load them all up and send them back.

Myanmar's newly reinstated dictator will no doubt be showing us the self-destruct killing routine but even Putin's Russia has a way of encouraging emigration through tactics we in the 'West' take a dim view of.

The human race is evil. It kills with little regard for itself or other living things. Hiding away and running from it, burying your head will not solve this and ultimately, you'll be found unless you address it. Rather than fueling the hatred, make the world a better place for all.

That's what I want for my children, that's what I want my legacy to be.

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Post by Tigers1926 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 8:02 pm

FC I get what you are saying with you wanting what is best for your children, as I do my own. The trouble with us the UK is we are too tolerant. We have sent millions of pounds to help the French in Calais and other ports and we've even sent our immigration officers to France to help, but our immigration officers openly tell us that the French don't really want to cooperate and willingly and laughingly send the most horrible of immigrants to Britain via the ports even though the British officials tell em no. Us truck drivers stand together while waiting for ferries and often get immigrants out of trailers who threaten us with knives and infidel calls. I reckon along with my fellow drivers that at least 95% are young men and not families. You do not want these in your town or city. They are coming for benefits and easy life and are cowards for not staying in their own countries and want to spread Islam as much as they can. I fear for my own kids and their kids, but if this keeps happening, it will be too late. Families with a couple of kids, yes if the parents have a skill we can use as a country. Young men who have no intention to work, no you are not welcome..

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