BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by FIat Capper » Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:55 pm

Don't tell me to keep up, it's you Tory boys that are way behind, reactive rather than proactive.

I know full well what the impacts of lockdown are. My wife has lost her job and is finding it very difficult to get another one as the job market shrinks, and that's my point.

A solid, full-scale lockdown that would have suppressed the newer variant(s) would have not only reduced death rates but also allowed the economy to open up again at an earlier date, thereby saving jobs as well. Fuddy duddying like Bozza always does has only prolonged the agony (quite literally for thousands) but to claim it's changed again is disingenuous to say the least. He was told not to open up for Christmas but to install a stronger lockdown long before he came up with his fudge but his backbenchers couldn't handle the thought of no family Christmas's. He bottled it.

Eat out to help out was another gamble lost and only the fools couldn't see that letting everyone out to socialise would only serve to spread the disease. He was also warned this would happen but CHOSE to ignore it for the [very] short-term economic gain.

What's the old saying, stupidity can be defined by doing the same thing over and over again in the hope of a different outcome.

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Post by CasRus » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:21 pm

Yes well tell that to your Labour Mayor of Manchester and many others bleating about differing tiers and wanting to open up just about everything at the expense of virus spread !!!

You also have to weigh up the repercussions of total lockdown especially over the Xmas period and the population backlash - just look at the 3 cities this week in Holland where they are on the precipice of full riots now starting to take place - all against lockdown !!

It's so not easy to navigate through all this and keeping a lid on people not breaking lockdown is a major challenge as we have already seen - People in small flats just as an example with 2-3 kids must be absolute murder for them and there will be a price to pay on mental health.

Like I said, Devil you do, Devil you don't and I for one cannot answer it either way either and it's obvious BJ is navigating down the middle just as any other politician would in all probability be doing in politician mode ! - the fact of the matter is, it doesn't make that any more wrong than the other choices in having to face up to as all options have consequences and establishing to what degree is like trying to look into a crystal ball !!

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by FIat Capper » Thu Jan 28, 2021 6:10 pm

Just to correct you, Andy Burnham was against a complete lockdown if it didn't have the correct support packages, ie, don't throw us to the wolves. This was because he recognised the ramifications of lockdown and wanted sufficient support for businesses and workers to help get through it, thus avoiding many of the other issues you highlight and which the indecisive PM has still managed to bring us.

And finally, I'm not going to apologise for expecting the PM to successfully run the country, even when the unexpected comes along.

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by Tigers1926 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:20 pm

It should have been a total lockdown from the start. That's no planes, trains and automobiles whatsoever. The likes of you and me are once again restricted but yet the elite and so called personalities are able to go around the world on private flights etc. As I've said before I'm a truck driver and this lockdown is not as quiet on the roads as last March and it's not surprising as to what is happening in our country right now with deaths and infection rates. If we cannot do it rate we might as well not do it at all, simply because of greed. This pandemic is going to last for a long time. The virus has already changed its spots and will continue to do so. Will the vaccines work? Who knows, but it is absolutely brilliant to watch the EU panic and the main players of the EU are going to go their own way and leave the lesser ones behind. You cannot have a few people in Brussels running a lot of countries, because these countries are different from each other and with the vaccine manufacture and supply I think we're going to see a lot of sod you jack I'm ok and got more money than you..

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by Adam » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:42 am

Just going to throw my hat into the ring here... if I may...

It seems that agreeing with Flat Capper is becoming a #trend - not sure if that's a result of BREXIT or what feels like the longest year in human history - but I find myself doing it, regardless.

This time 12-months ago, the UK (and the rest of the world) watched on as COVID devastated Wuhan and the local regions, and our Government seemingly having already decided that "herd immunity" was the way forward. Whilst over in New Zealand, strong leadership and common sense prevailed as they decided that they'd seen enough and didn't feel that a few thousand of it's citizens dying was a price worth paying. [Interestingly, but not related, my sister-in-law was teaching in China at the time and we all scrambled to get her home ASAP - with hindsight, was that the right thing to do?]

It's true that hindsight is a marvellous thing, that said, when trying to be proactive in an "ever-changing situation" (to coin a Tory phrase), it's the very last thing to rely on - yet BJ and his mates appear to only want to act on this and this alone. The Government have categorically listened to the science when it has suited them, and ignored things that would lead to bad blood between them and the blue chips. With that in mind, shouldn't those same blue chips now be putting their hands in their pockets to support the country's economy and help stabilise the books?

Economy
The country's financial standing, jobs market, and GDP would have all suffered heavily if we had closed the borders and done a hard, strong, New Zealand-style lockdown - that is absolutely true. However, in the grand scheme of things, the way our country has been locked down for shorter periods, and in a much weaker way, has led to the cost being significantly higher than it would have been. Turns out that a long, hard, strong lockdown would have actually been a LOT better for the economy than what we've had to do.

Deaths/cases
Do I really need to comment on this? The UK has the worst death rate per capita in the world.

In summary, Jacinda Ardern is an absolute saviour of her citizens and her country. She has done more than any other politician in the last 12-months, by doing the very least. Whilst Boris, Trump, Macron, and other world leaders are running around like headless chickens, stressed to the eyeballs, "getting it from all angles" (as it was refereed to earlier in the thread), Ardern is sat with her feet up whilst her people go about their daily lives, hugging, kissing, and having a good old time with their friends and family.

** And I'm done ** :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
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Post by baldtiger » Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:24 pm

Top post ! Most deaths the most damaged economy . When been an island a total lockdown was surely the way to go with enforced isolation in hotels for incoming flights ect . Hindsight is a wonderful thing , but 1 year later he is still dithering of what to do ..

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by CasRus » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:26 pm

Adam wrote:
Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:42 am
Just going to throw my hat into the ring here... if I may...

It seems that agreeing with Flat Capper is becoming a #trend - not sure if that's a result of BREXIT or what feels like the longest year in human history - but I find myself doing it, regardless.

This time 12-months ago, the UK (and the rest of the world) watched on as COVID devastated Wuhan and the local regions, and our Government seemingly having already decided that "herd immunity" was the way forward. Whilst over in New Zealand, strong leadership and common sense prevailed as they decided that they'd seen enough and didn't feel that a few thousand of it's citizens dying was a price worth paying. [Interestingly, but not related, my sister-in-law was teaching in China at the time and we all scrambled to get her home ASAP - with hindsight, was that the right thing to do?]

It's true that hindsight is a marvellous thing, that said, when trying to be proactive in an "ever-changing situation" (to coin a Tory phrase), it's the very last thing to rely on - yet BJ and his mates appear to only want to act on this and this alone. The Government have categorically listened to the science when it has suited them, and ignored things that would lead to bad blood between them and the blue chips. With that in mind, shouldn't those same blue chips now be putting their hands in their pockets to support the country's economy and help stabilise the books?

Economy
The country's financial standing, jobs market, and GDP would have all suffered heavily if we had closed the borders and done a hard, strong, New Zealand-style lockdown - that is absolutely true. However, in the grand scheme of things, the way our country has been locked down for shorter periods, and in a much weaker way, has led to the cost being significantly higher than it would have been. Turns out that a long, hard, strong lockdown would have actually been a LOT better for the economy than what we've had to do.

Deaths/cases
Do I really need to comment on this? The UK has the worst death rate per capita in the world.

In summary, Jacinda Ardern is an absolute saviour of her citizens and her country. She has done more than any other politician in the last 12-months, by doing the very least. Whilst Boris, Trump, Macron, and other world leaders are running around like headless chickens, stressed to the eyeballs, "getting it from all angles" (as it was refereed to earlier in the thread), Ardern is sat with her feet up whilst her people go about their daily lives, hugging, kissing, and having a good old time with their friends and family.

** And I'm done ** :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
Let me just pick you up on a few things regarding your comparison with New Zealand as ignorance can be bliss for some of you people out there and you seem to be one ignoring some basic facts !!:-

1/ New Zealand has a population of 5 million and a density spread of approx 19 people per sq km
UK has a population of 68 million with a density spread of 259 people per sq km. Whose job is easier to manage the virus, Ardern's or BJ's ????

2/ New Zealand is not a major hub of commerce and fairly isolated from the rest of the world as to what UK is considered to be a major hub - NZ covid risk factor is infinately smaller in comparison.

3/ New Zealand does not have the amount of ethnic population as what the the UK has where crammed conditions in housing and the many mosques for meeting is much in prevalence here in the UK and by definition there viral spread risk is drastically lower

4/ New Zealand has not got the amount of coastal ports and airports that the UK has and, by definition, imports of food for a much smaller population is small compared to the UK when you are looking to feed 5m compared to 65m and hence there is much reduced traffic flow !!

So, you really need to compare apples with apples when and before you go spouting off !!!

Based on the above and I'm sure there are a number of other pertinent aspects to re-enforce, Ardern in NZ with their Covid issues are a "Walk in the Park" to overcome compared to BJ here in the UK and especially when we have a number of people breaking lockdown and have raves/wedding parties / illegal house get togethers !!! - it only takes a handful to keep this covid from never ending and, by the way, it will never disappear with numpties continuing to break lockdown !!

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by Fumper27 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:42 pm

The BBC documentary “54 Days” is an interesting watch for those who missed it on Monday night.

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Post by Piquad1 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:25 pm

Interesting reading. Casrus.

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Post by baldtiger » Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:21 pm

Lockdown is a bit of a joke when you are allowing 15000 people per day to enter the country and just letting them go on there way . Australia makes them stay in hotels for 10 days and test them before there allowed to socialize , having a guard on each floor to make sure they all isolate. ps . As a side issue the rules are changing for home testing kits supplied to schools which are 50% accurate . Old rule is if positive you must go for official test which is then in the statistics for covid . The new ruling is if positive just isolate for 10 days therefore keeping the statistics down . ( bit sneaky me thinks ).

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Post by barking » Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:47 pm

Its a carefully managed Cull. they were bragging yesterday that the Gov has saved 600 million quid in pension payouts , so there is the reason Bodybag Johnson sent covid patients into care homes, now we have a miracle cure that doesnt cure at all just minimises the effects. Bodybag Johnson will use the Vaccine to tell the idiots that hang on his every word that we can now loosen the lockdown, that will be just in time for his pals at the jockey club and Dido Shizzbag to make another killing at Cheltenham. Only a complete moron would vote for Boris the grannyslayer

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Post by CasRus » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:26 pm

barking wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:47 pm
Its a carefully managed Cull. they were bragging yesterday that the Gov has saved 600 million quid in pension payouts , so there is the reason Bodybag Johnson sent covid patients into care homes, now we have a miracle cure that doesnt cure at all just minimises the effects. Bodybag Johnson will use the Vaccine to tell the idiots that hang on his every word that we can now loosen the lockdown, that will be just in time for his pals at the jockey club and Dido Shizzbag to make another killing at Cheltenham. Only a complete moron would vote for Boris the grannyslayer
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!! I've never laughed so much with what you have just posted Barking Mad !!

What a Dildo you are !!!!

Please... Someone put a brain Inside his head !!!!!

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Post by Fumper27 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:34 pm

barking wrote:
Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:47 pm
Its a carefully managed Cull. they were bragging yesterday that the Gov has saved 600 million quid in pension payouts , so there is the reason Bodybag Johnson sent covid patients into care homes, now we have a miracle cure that doesnt cure at all just minimises the effects. Bodybag Johnson will use the Vaccine to tell the idiots that hang on his every word that we can now loosen the lockdown, that will be just in time for his pals at the jockey club and Dido Shizzbag to make another killing at Cheltenham. Only a complete moron would vote for Boris the grannyslayer
Can you post a link of the “vaccine” being called a “cure”? Thanks

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by Tigers1926 » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:10 pm

A cure with mercury in it!! Now that is a easy Google search. As for a cull??? Makes you think doesn't it? Started with the jab not vaccine and on the older generation and gradually working their way through the age groups backwards. According to some it's a population cull because the world is over populated and to be honest they are not wrong, but I'm sure there'd be a better way, although I can see some ethnicities not wanting to for what ever reason. Either way we are in a mess and I will not be having the jab like I've never had the flu jab either. I keep myself fit and active and eat healthy and it seems no coincidence that it strikes the weak first, obese and unhealthy with underlying health problems and some other poor unfortunate souls. Imo I think it could end up being the survival of the fittest, but then again, more people died in 2017 than 2020! Pandemic?? I have my doubts...

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Re: BREXIT - Good or Bad ??

Post by alftupper » Mon Feb 01, 2021 7:37 am

CasRus, well done for pointing out the bleeding obvious to those that needed it pointing out, you cannot compare a backwater country at the arse end of the globe with a densely packed ethnically diverse global hub. I would say the mortality figures were pretty much inevitable.

I read on Friday that the UK had so far vaccinated 11% of its population compared to the EU’s 2%... impressive and pathetic respectively.

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