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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 02 Dec 2019, 22:20
by WF10

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 00:55
by CasRus
WF10 wrote: 02 Dec 2019, 21:12
WF10 wrote: 02 Dec 2019, 19:38 Remind me, when Johnson was a journalist at The Times, he got sacked for falsifying quotes - correct?
alftupper wrote: 02 Dec 2019, 19:38 Remind me, when McDonnell was Deputy Leader of the GLC he got sacked by Red Ken for falsifying their finances - correct?
CasRus wrote: 02 Dec 2019, 20:22 You are now trying to change the topic onto something else which always tells me that you are not completely believing what you are saying on our topic of discussion - always a giveaway !


By opening up a new topic,which you did F.ck Nose about MPs being fired, would have people also commenting on the topic you have now introduced so basically Alf has not changed your topic you introduced so, wrong once again !!

And stop nicking my posts to use as that’s plagiarism (if you’ve got the intellect to understand what that word means !).

See Ya! Don’t Want to Be Ya !!

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 07:56
by WF10
HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Reading really isn't your strength is it??

Where did I mention MPs getting fired??
My EXACT words were "was a journalist".
So he has changed the subject, in a classic case of diversion/'whataboutery'.

You [REMOVED] prat.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 08:17
by WF10

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 08:44
by WF10

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 09:51
by CasRus
Conservatives widen poll lead over Labour to 12 points - One Poll on NEWS Today and which is my 10%-13% Prediction

F.ck Nose (aka WF10) are you still predicting a 20 seat win for your Labour Party ?????????

Talking about Led by Donkeys - Old Satan Whiskers must the the biggest Donkey on the planet to want to cut the Rail Fares by a massive amount and then say he is going to take it from the Road repair budget - How many People have cars who have to compete with Pot Holes every Day compared to rail commuters !! HEE Haw Hee Haw !! Whose is the donkey now !!

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 11:49
by CasRus
Good News Everybody !

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Conservatives have increased their lead over the opposition Labour Party slightly over the last week to 12 points, a survey by Kantar showed on Tuesday, ahead of a Dec. 12 election.
The poll put support for the Conservatives at 44%, up one point from a week earlier, while Labour was unchanged on 32%. The pro-European Union Liberal Democrats were up one point on 15%, while the Brexit Party was down one point on 2%.

It will be interesting to see what and how the Nato summit and Trump being here will begin to effect the polls.

Judging by the interview this morning with Trump it looks even better for Boris. Trump has NOW CATAGORICALLY STATED that they don't want the NHS even if offered on a Silver Platter and which corroborates the Boris statement that the NHS is NOT UP FOR SALE, this totally blows the biggest argument that Corbyn has got in his armoury. We should not now be afraid of the NHS being affected.

Also, add the fact that Corbyn wants to get rid of NATO (as he's consistently banged on about) which is our safe umbrella against the rise of Russia who have contravened missile agreements and now produced Hypersonic missiles which we have no effective defence against at the moment and we are in dire need of NATO to defend us all. He also mentions the rise of China being a major threat which I have been banging on about recently. WE NEED NATO NOW MORE THAN EVER !!

I just don't get how voting Labour would make anyone feel any better and safer when old Jezza is against all this and to have a hung Parliament would not have this country on a road to nowhere for the next number of years. I don't think people would be getting a good sleep at night if NATO was removed from Europe - I know I wouldn't !

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 11:50
by CasRus
CORRECTION POST:-

Good News Everybody !

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's Conservatives have increased their lead over the opposition Labour Party slightly over the last week to 12 points, a survey by Kantar showed on Tuesday, ahead of a Dec. 12 election.
The poll put support for the Conservatives at 44%, up one point from a week earlier, while Labour was unchanged on 32%. The pro-European Union Liberal Democrats were up one point on 15%, while the Brexit Party was down one point on 2%.

It will be interesting to see what and how the Nato summit and Trump being here will begin to effect the polls.

Judging by the interview this morning with Trump it looks even better for Boris. Trump has NOW CATAGORICALLY STATED that they don't want the NHS even if offered on a Silver Platter and which corroborates the Boris statement that the NHS is NOT UP FOR SALE, this totally blows the biggest argument that Corbyn has got in his armoury. We should not now be afraid of the NHS being affected.

Also, add the fact that Corbyn wants to get rid of NATO (as he's consistently banged on about) which is our safe umbrella against the rise of Russia who have contravened missile agreements and now produced Hypersonic missiles which we have no effective defence against at the moment and we are in dire need of NATO to defend us all. He also mentions the rise of China being a major threat which I have been banging on about recently. WE NEED NATO NOW MORE THAN EVER !!

I just don't get how voting Labour would make anyone feel any better and safer when old Jezza is against all this and to have a hung Parliament would have this country on a road to nowhere for the next number of years. I don't think people would be getting a good sleep at night if NATO was removed from Europe - I know I wouldn't !

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 12:54
by WF10
Well I am relieved by this.

I mean President Trump doesn't tell fibs does he?

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 13:04
by alftupper
The POTUS has blown away Labour/Momentum’s grubby lies about the NHS up for sale. I hope Steptoe has still got his 400 page document he can put it to some good use.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 13:14
by Flat Capper
alftupper wrote: 03 Dec 2019, 13:04 The POTUS has blown away Labour/Momentum’s grubby lies about the NHS up for sale. I hope Steptoe has still got his 400 page document he can put it to some good use.
One of your ever present arguements for keeping a 'no deal' option on the table was that it would be foolish to take it off, it's all part of being a good negotiator. Well the same principal applies to trade talk with the US, they will insist access to NHS services is on the table and will no doubt secure some form of access that, could, ultimately lead to US business bleeding our NHS dry with no thought of the customers (patients).

It's all there in the document that Labour refer to and any statement to the contrary will only be 'changed' once the negotiations start. I certainly wouldn't believe a word Trump spouts.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 13:39
by WF10

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 13:43
by CasRus
Flat Capper wrote: 03 Dec 2019, 13:14
alftupper wrote: 03 Dec 2019, 13:04 The POTUS has blown away Labour/Momentum’s grubby lies about the NHS up for sale. I hope Steptoe has still got his 400 page document he can put it to some good use.
One of your ever present arguements for keeping a 'no deal' option on the table was that it would be foolish to take it off, it's all part of being a good negotiator. Well the same principal applies to trade talk with the US, they will insist access to NHS services is on the table and will no doubt secure some form of access that, could, ultimately lead to US business bleeding our NHS dry with no thought of the customers (patients).

It's all there in the document that Labour refer to and any statement to the contrary will only be 'changed' once the negotiations start. I certainly wouldn't believe a word Trump spouts.
Hello FlatCapper, still awaiting your response on watching the cancer of terrorism grow and which you said is manageable - aren't you ashamed after these latest deaths ??

Why do you find it so hard to accept Trump saying he wouldn't want the NHS if it was on a Silver platter and Boris saying it's not up for sale and then have the audacity to totally believe Jezza on keeping Trident ?? You are unbelievable when you are head down arse up in believing and "all hail" Jezza as to what Jezza says !! Dumb and Dumber - that's what you and F.ck Nose (aka WF10) are !

What makes you think Jezza wouldn't keep Trident as he spouted on in his manifesto when he is opposed to Nato and hates America - Same thing isn't it !

It all boils down to who do you trust and judging by the poll on who do you trust more I think you will find Jezza scraping the bottom with his tumbleweed silence of Russian antics these past few years.

FACT - Russia has breached medium missile agreements with new hypersonic missiles we are not in position to defend against just now ! Who would you trust in all honesty to defend Europe and the UK ?? Do you agree with Jezza to scrap NATO ??? Do you believe that America should pull out of NATO after other EU countries are not paying their fair share and being evident that it's America who is paying the most and holding security in Europe together ?? The problems we have in this country will be dwarfed with millions starving on the streets if Russia go into Europe and cut off our food supplies and then conquering us ! Have you got a logical answer to all this as I am all ears ??? Probably NOT !!

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 14:19
by Flat Capper
On the question of trust, I look at the track records of those stating facts and I'm afraid, Trump has spouted more lies than any other political leader I can think of, including Putin and Xi.

Part of your argument against Corbyn is his refusal to change his mind on many issues, including his belief that we should talk to our enemies, so pardon me if I believe him more than Bungle Johnson and Trump.

On terrorism, JC has clearly stated that he supports the actions on the Police on Friday but perhaps I can be permitted to listen to the words and beliefs of Jack Merritt (and his father) who was passionate about working with prisoners to improve all our lives. Overall there's a simple philosophy, if you can remove the theories that develop the threat, you don't have to worry about shooting on sight. As things stand, there will still be times when force is required and that force needs support, not Tory cuts, but there's nothing to stop us working towards a peaceful resolution.

I'm not repeating my stance on the nuclear deterrent as it's clear for all to see, let it continue for as long as it's required but again, let’s work towards reducing the need.

By the way, if you fear the Russians so much, perhaps you should advise the Tories to stop accepting donations from the Oligarchs who I'm sure will want something in return?

Whatever you may think, the whole world isn’t against us as in your ‘project fear’ world but I’m not dropping my guard just in case.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 15:05
by WF10
CasRus wrote: 03 Dec 2019, 11:50 CORRECTION POST:-

add the fact that Corbyn wants to get rid of NATO (as he's consistently banged on about) WE NEED NATO NOW MORE THAN EVER !!
Sorry Adolf but your 'correction' is utter [REMOVED] an all.

The Labour Manifesto says they'll maintain their commitment to NATO.

Happy to correct you, as ever.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 15:34
by CasRus
Flat Capper wrote: 03 Dec 2019, 14:19 On the question of trust, I look at the track records of those stating facts and I'm afraid, Trump has spouted more lies than any other political leader I can think of, including Putin and Xi.

Part of your argument against Corbyn is his refusal to change his mind on many issues, including his belief that we should talk to our enemies, so pardon me if I believe him more than Bungle Johnson and Trump.

On terrorism, JC has clearly stated that he supports the actions on the Police on Friday but perhaps I can be permitted to listen to the words and beliefs of Jack Merritt (and his father) who was passionate about working with prisoners to improve all our lives. Overall there's a simple philosophy, if you can remove the theories that develop the threat, you don't have to worry about shooting on sight. As things stand, there will still be times when force is required and that force needs support, not Tory cuts, but there's nothing to stop us working towards a peaceful resolution.

I'm not repeating my stance on the nuclear deterrent as it's clear for all to see, let it continue for as long as it's required but again, let’s work towards reducing the need.

By the way, if you fear the Russians so much, perhaps you should advise the Tories to stop accepting donations from the Oligarchs who I'm sure will want something in return?

Whatever you may think, the whole world isn’t against us as in your ‘project fear’ world but I’m not dropping my guard just in case.
It all depends on to what extreme and to what lies are told on both sides - If you think lies about BJ and Trump in their private lives and economical truth telling on domestic issues (which, by the way, both camps are equally good at) are the more important than Putin sending Russian agents into the UK to murder people, downing a civilian plane in Ukraine costing huge loss of life and Xi holding approx. 1 million people in North East China in detention camps conducting torture and brainwashing sessions on the fact that they are Muslim THEN MORE FOOL YOU !! So, my friend, who is the biggest risk here when these are considered on balance as I would like to know your answer ??? Every Picture tells a story !!

Of course I do believe in getting rid of Nuclear weapons and the like but this can only be done as a World Agreement only for all to banish these. I just don't get the trillions spent on weapons when the world is in a huge climate crisis and would be best spent on tackling a human extinction event looming very large and like I have said in past posts, this world will be dead in 10 years time with the accelerated snowballing pace now starting to rev up ! IT'S ALL BAD NEWS I'm afraid so all this bickering about Brexit and elections is immaterial to what is about to happen in the next few years !

Jack Merritt's father has conveyed what his son would want but the truth is, where did that get him ? .... DEAD ! along with another colleague ! that's the result of his efforts which no one can deny !

Just one person like Jack's father (who I have every respect for) does not speak for the rest of us when what is in place is clearly not working and to allow dangerous terrorists to fool the authorities to allowing them a reduced sentence is running a very high risk of this happening time and time again don't you think ? OF COURSE IT IS ! So how many more deaths are you prepared to accept in managing the cancerous growth you retain your thinking as being best ?? one, two, three maybe !! Let me tell you something, none is the answer, so once the crime is done, they should accept the legal implications in full and keep a maximum deterrent to stop this risk of innocent lives being lost which is already a big ask, but a hugely reduced death toll is preferable rather than leaving this all to chance which isn't doing anyone any favours ! Your position on this is in my estimation is untenable once we have incidents continuing like it just as it has already done after other London Bridge and Manchester loss of life incidents etc !

Oligarchs in this country are a target for Putin after they fled Russia with Billions, so the money that is allegedly going into the Tories if it is, may be a way of protection spend and not to influence domestic agenda but would seem odd I grant you if it is happening - It needs a look into obviously but you have to look into what context if it is going on also and whether it is above board, however I also note a news story coming out about Labour with Russian disinformation tactics ongoing which again needs to be looked into - You cannot cast aspersions one way and not the other, so investigations do need to be conducted into the way each party works - that fair isn't it ?

Anyway, I do detect a little bit of sheepishness on your side on the onslaught I have given you over "your happy to manage the cancerous growth of terrorism" stance after these latest deaths, so I do hope you can logically start to think out of the Labour box on some issues at the very least ! I'm not about point scoring, far from it, but I do get angry on illogical stances that fly in the face of happenings on the ground and a little pragmatism does go a long way and yes does work both ways when considerations are needed.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 17:15
by WF10
Johnson lies - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50630355

The London Bridge attacker Usman Khan had been released from prison after serving half of a 16-year sentence. Prime Minister Boris Johnson said this was "because of changes to the law that were brought in by the Labour Party that I voted against".

The prime minister told the BBC's Andrew Marr show: "His release was necessary under the law because of the automatic early release scheme under which he was sentenced and that was brought in by Labour with the support of Jeremy Corbyn and the rest of the Labour Party. I opposed it both in 2003 and in 2008."

We looked through Hansard - the record of what goes on in Parliament - to find out what happened.

MPs voted on this measure as part of a group of amendments on 9 January 2008. The Conservatives voted against but Hansard has no record of Boris Johnson being present for that vote.

The bill then had its third reading the same day and was passed without a division - a formal vote. The Conservative opposition could have forced a division but did not.

Edward Garnier, the shadow prisons minister at the time, could not recall whether Mr Johnson opposed the bill, while Nick Herbert, then shadow justice secretary, declined to comment.

Several then Conservative MPs including Mr Herbert, as well as then Labour backbenchers Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, criticised the lack of time to debate the bill.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 20:58
by WF10

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 03 Dec 2019, 23:04
by WF10

Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Posted: 04 Dec 2019, 12:03
by WF10