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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:33 pm

HuddsTigers wrote:Not reading headlines. Reading the latest polls over the last 24 hours which show Tories polling at around 30% and BXP at around 15-16%, which are available via a number of sources.

And similarly, it’s fairly obvious that if Tories and BXP can get enough pro-Brexit into Parliament it will change the dynamics, majority for a party or no majority.

But nice come back - can’t discuss, just try and belittle peeps!
The same polls had the Tories 20+ points ahead before the last election.

Before the press had to give Corbyn a fair crack of the whip under election rules.

How did that turn out again?
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by HuddsTigers » Sun Jul 28, 2019 9:58 pm

Maybe so but Labour have more competition in the Lib Dem’s this time around.

And seems like Corbyn has once again flipped on his Brexit position now by indicating that if he wins he will go to negotiate a deal with the EU.

Once again can’t make his mind up whether he is leave or remain? Hardly likely to give a confident signal to either side!
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:21 am

2017 Labour Manifesto:

Labour recognises that leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and if needs be negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a 'cliff-edge’ for the UK economy.

A Labour approach to Brexit also means legislating to guarantee that Parliament has a truly meaningful vote on the final Brexit deal.

2018 Labour Party conference:

Conference notes Labour has set six robust tests for the final Brexit deal. Conference believes Labour MPs must vote against any Tory deal failing to meet these tests in full.

Conference also believes a no-deal Brexit should be rejected as a viable option and calls upon Labour MPs to vigorously oppose any attempt by this Government to deliver a no-deal outcome.

Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote. If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.

28th July 2019:

Mr Corbyn said: “What we are saying, no deal we would oppose and we think people should have a final choice on it.

They can have a vote then between remain or whatever option Boris Johnson decides to put to them at that time."

Mr Corbyn was also questioned whether he would campaign for leave or remain, he said: "In the event of the no deal Brexit we would campaign to remain."

So instead of headlines like: "Make up your mind! Fury as Corbyn claims Labour will campaign for remain in people's vote"

They should have said: "Corbyn reiterates agreed Brexit Policy (yet again)"

But they have seen the damage 'u-turns' did to May in the last election campaign and are trying to paint Corbyn as doing u-turns re Brexit.

And they're making out that a populist, bluff-merchant has principled convictions.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:29 am

WF10 wrote:2017 Labour Manifesto:

Labour recognises that leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and if needs be negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a 'cliff-edge’ for the UK economy.

A Labour approach to Brexit also means legislating to guarantee that Parliament has a truly meaningful vote on the final Brexit deal.

2018 Labour Party conference:

Conference notes Labour has set six robust tests for the final Brexit deal. Conference believes Labour MPs must vote against any Tory deal failing to meet these tests in full.

Conference also believes a no-deal Brexit should be rejected as a viable option and calls upon Labour MPs to vigorously oppose any attempt by this Government to deliver a no-deal outcome.

Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote. If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.

28th July 2019:

Mr Corbyn said: “What we are saying, no deal we would oppose and we think people should have a final choice on it.

They can have a vote then between remain or whatever option Boris Johnson decides to put to them at that time."

Mr Corbyn was also questioned whether he would campaign for leave or remain, he said: "In the event of the no deal Brexit we would campaign to remain."

So instead of headlines like: "Make up your mind! Fury as Corbyn claims Labour will campaign for remain in people's vote"

They should have said: "Corbyn reiterates agreed Brexit Policy (yet again)"

But they have seen the damage 'u-turns' did to May in the last election campaign and are trying to paint Corbyn as doing u-turns re Brexit.

And they're making out that a populist, bluff-merchant has principled convictions.

What an absolute load of unadulterated tripe !!!

The man is hellbent on power and will obstruct anything just to bring down the current government !

Him and McDonnell are an absolute embarrassment to the Labour Heartlands whom he has sold out !

No Heart, No Direction, No Balls and No Brain - That's Corbyn !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:04 am

CasRus wrote:
WF10 wrote:2017 Labour Manifesto:

Labour recognises that leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and if needs be negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a 'cliff-edge’ for the UK economy.

A Labour approach to Brexit also means legislating to guarantee that Parliament has a truly meaningful vote on the final Brexit deal.

2018 Labour Party conference:

Conference notes Labour has set six robust tests for the final Brexit deal. Conference believes Labour MPs must vote against any Tory deal failing to meet these tests in full.

Conference also believes a no-deal Brexit should be rejected as a viable option and calls upon Labour MPs to vigorously oppose any attempt by this Government to deliver a no-deal outcome.

Labour must support all options remaining on the table, including campaigning for a public vote. If the Government is confident in negotiating a deal that working people, our economy and communities will benefit from they should not be afraid to put that deal to the public.

28th July 2019:

Mr Corbyn said: “What we are saying, no deal we would oppose and we think people should have a final choice on it.

They can have a vote then between remain or whatever option Boris Johnson decides to put to them at that time."

Mr Corbyn was also questioned whether he would campaign for leave or remain, he said: "In the event of the no deal Brexit we would campaign to remain."

So instead of headlines like: "Make up your mind! Fury as Corbyn claims Labour will campaign for remain in people's vote"

They should have said: "Corbyn reiterates agreed Brexit Policy (yet again)"

But they have seen the damage 'u-turns' did to May in the last election campaign and are trying to paint Corbyn as doing u-turns re Brexit.

And they're making out that a populist, bluff-merchant has principled convictions.

What an absolute load of unadulterated tripe !!!

The man is hellbent on power and will obstruct anything just to bring down the current government !

Him and McDonnell are an absolute embarrassment to the Labour Heartlands whom he has sold out !

No Heart, No Direction, No Balls and No Brain - That's Corbyn !!
Whatever.

It's there in black and white.

The position has been clear, unwavering & stated repeatedly since the 2017 election manifesto.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:57 am

That makes me chuckle !! unwavering !! give me a break !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:19 pm

Well in spite of Bumbling Boris becoming the PM, I don't think anything has really changed and the Tories and Labour remain split themesleves, relfecting the country as a whole.

Only the Lib Dems seem united with their stance of opposing Brexit and that does appear to be gaining support in the South East region.

My own view is the BJ is only shouting about 'no deal' in an atempt to call the bluff of the EU but I do worry that he's not a great bluffer and will simply lose on the turn of the final card, with the £350m weekly jackpot fully blown.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 4:08 pm

CasRus wrote:That makes me chuckle !! unwavering !! give me a break !!
I've literally just pointed out that the position is exactly the same as it was in the 2017 manifesto and has remained constant since then.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:24 pm

WF10 wrote:
CasRus wrote:That makes me chuckle !! unwavering !! give me a break !!
I've literally just pointed out that the position is exactly the same as it was in the 2017 manifesto and has remained constant since then.
EEEr rrr ! so are you saying that Corbyn and his Cronies after agreeing and voting for article 50 to leave the EU with or without a deal that his/Labour position hasn't changed !! You are really having a Giraffe aren't you !!!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:05 pm

After voting to invoke Article 50, Feb 2017:

Mr Corbyn said: "Labour MPs voted more than three to one in favour of triggering Article 50. Now the battle of the week ahead is to shape Brexit negotiations to put jobs, living standards and accountability centre stage.

"Labour's amendments are the real agenda. The challenge is for MPs of all parties to ensure the best deal for Britain"

It should all be moot anyway shouldn't it?
What was it Liam Fox said "The agreement we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history."
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:59 am

WF10 wrote:After voting to invoke Article 50, Feb 2017:

Mr Corbyn said: "Labour MPs voted more than three to one in favour of triggering Article 50. Now the battle of the week ahead is to shape Brexit negotiations to put jobs, living standards and accountability centre stage.

"Labour's amendments are the real agenda. The challenge is for MPs of all parties to ensure the best deal for Britain"

It should all be moot anyway shouldn't it?
What was it Liam Fox said "The agreement we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history."
So, let's fast forward and let's suppose Boris does get the EU to remove the backstop with everything else already agreed - Would Comrade Corbyn still advocate opposition to an amended agreement and stick with his "Not getting out of jail" customs union holding us in forever and a day as his preferred policy ! If he did, he would be most definitely soundly beaten and left to look the fool that he already is ! The polls suggest he is sliding and most definitely in Wales !

All the cry babies about getting rid of NO Deal before negotiating has already led us into a very bad deal and which was all about sabotaging us in trying to leave. No Poker Player would stack their Ace Card !

It beggars belief why there is no support of having a strong hand to negotiate as the EU regard us as a bunch of weaklings that May and her remainer "we don't really want to leave the EU type cabinet/civil service" portrayed and took absolute advantage (that's why Davies and Raab resigned !). It's the Commons/Lords that have sold us all out to pursue their own interests (I bet most have vested interests as to why they want to stay in - quite a few I bet are on nice juicy earners from unknown EU sources).

The Strong Hand that Boris is now displaying was never ever Rocket Science to get a better deal and all parties should get behind and support this to get the country the best deal and leave Party Politics till after it is done ! If not I'm afraid the country will be heading into dark years of total chaos and stagnation in trying to move forward (we've already lost 3 years of growth potential).

This has to be the most important 3 months of our UK lives and not supporting Boris will be like casting the ship from shore with no rudder and drifting aimlessly for the next few years at a huge business cost and potentially kicking off civil unrest !

So what does a NO Deal entail in a Nutshell ? Short Term Pain yes, but Long Term Gain ! and I bet we will be wondering what the fuss was all about when we start trading massively with the rest of the world in time. The EU Cartel is frightened we will show them up and it could lead to their break up having insufficient money when we leave and take our huge contribution with us.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:06 am

CasRus wrote:
WF10 wrote:After voting to invoke Article 50, Feb 2017:

Mr Corbyn said: "Labour MPs voted more than three to one in favour of triggering Article 50. Now the battle of the week ahead is to shape Brexit negotiations to put jobs, living standards and accountability centre stage.

"Labour's amendments are the real agenda. The challenge is for MPs of all parties to ensure the best deal for Britain"

It should all be moot anyway shouldn't it?
What was it Liam Fox said "The agreement we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history."
So, let's fast forward and let's suppose Boris does get the EU to remove the backstop with everything else already agreed - Would Comrade Corbyn still advocate opposition to an amended agreement and stick with his "Not getting out of jail" customs union holding us in forever and a day as his preferred policy ! If he did, he would be most definitely soundly beaten and left to look the fool that he already is ! The polls suggest he is sliding and most definitely in Wales !

All the cry babies about getting rid of NO Deal before negotiating has already led us into a very bad deal and which was all about sabotaging us in trying to leave. No Poker Player would stack their Ace Card !

It beggars belief why there is no support of having a strong hand to negotiate as the EU regard us as a bunch of weaklings that May and her remainer "we don't really want to leave the EU type cabinet/civil service" portrayed and took absolute advantage (that's why Davies and Raab resigned !). It's the Commons/Lords that have sold us all out to pursue their own interests (I bet most have vested interests as to why they want to stay in - quite a few I bet are on nice juicy earners from unknown EU sources).

The Strong Hand that Boris is now displaying was never ever Rocket Science to get a better deal and all parties should get behind and support this to get the country the best deal and leave Party Politics till after it is done ! If not I'm afraid the country will be heading into dark years of total chaos and stagnation in trying to move forward (we've already lost 3 years of growth potential).

This has to be the most important 3 months of our UK lives and not supporting Boris will be like casting the ship from shore with no rudder and drifting aimlessly for the next few years at a huge business cost and potentially kicking off civil unrest !

So what does a NO Deal entail in a Nutshell ? Short Term Pain yes, but Long Term Gain ! and I bet we will be wondering what the fuss was all about when we start trading massively with the rest of the world in time. The EU Cartel is frightened we will show them up and it could lead to their break up having insufficient money when we leave and take our huge contribution with us.
You're deluded.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:35 am

WF10 wrote:
CasRus wrote:
WF10 wrote:After voting to invoke Article 50, Feb 2017:

Mr Corbyn said: "Labour MPs voted more than three to one in favour of triggering Article 50. Now the battle of the week ahead is to shape Brexit negotiations to put jobs, living standards and accountability centre stage.

"Labour's amendments are the real agenda. The challenge is for MPs of all parties to ensure the best deal for Britain"

It should all be moot anyway shouldn't it?
What was it Liam Fox said "The agreement we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history."
So, let's fast forward and let's suppose Boris does get the EU to remove the backstop with everything else already agreed - Would Comrade Corbyn still advocate opposition to an amended agreement and stick with his "Not getting out of jail" customs union holding us in forever and a day as his preferred policy ! If he did, he would be most definitely soundly beaten and left to look the fool that he already is ! The polls suggest he is sliding and most definitely in Wales !

All the cry babies about getting rid of NO Deal before negotiating has already led us into a very bad deal and which was all about sabotaging us in trying to leave. No Poker Player would stack their Ace Card !

It beggars belief why there is no support of having a strong hand to negotiate as the EU regard us as a bunch of weaklings that May and her remainer "we don't really want to leave the EU type cabinet/civil service" portrayed and took absolute advantage (that's why Davies and Raab resigned !). It's the Commons/Lords that have sold us all out to pursue their own interests (I bet most have vested interests as to why they want to stay in - quite a few I bet are on nice juicy earners from unknown EU sources).

The Strong Hand that Boris is now displaying was never ever Rocket Science to get a better deal and all parties should get behind and support this to get the country the best deal and leave Party Politics till after it is done ! If not I'm afraid the country will be heading into dark years of total chaos and stagnation in trying to move forward (we've already lost 3 years of growth potential).

This has to be the most important 3 months of our UK lives and not supporting Boris will be like casting the ship from shore with no rudder and drifting aimlessly for the next few years at a huge business cost and potentially kicking off civil unrest !

So what does a NO Deal entail in a Nutshell ? Short Term Pain yes, but Long Term Gain ! and I bet we will be wondering what the fuss was all about when we start trading massively with the rest of the world in time. The EU Cartel is frightened we will show them up and it could lead to their break up having insufficient money when we leave and take our huge contribution with us.
You're deluded.
So says the glass half empty person that you are !!

You my friend are a defeated pessimist and a no hoper ! You would be surprised if you got off your sorry backside as to what life can bring you with a bit of optimism which is what Boris is trying to instil the belief that we are better nation than the sum of our parts and he's here to get us moving and looking to provide the support in the North now which previous Governments have sadly lacked doing including Labour !

I know as I was an Airedale kid (one of six kids) with not a half pence to scratch my backside with and I have now seen most of the world, own everything I have and lead a happy contented life - but that comes with hard work, optimism and dedication ! The trouble with some around here is that they want everythng on a plate ! Sorry to tell you that this is what is truly delusional !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:19 pm

I'm all for optimism Adolf, just think what Johnson is on about is ridiculously delusional.

Say you, me and Alf own our own businesses.

WF10 Enterprise (the UK) has been dealing with Alf Tupper EU (Europe). Trade has been back & forth for a while and WF10 (UK) owes Alf (Europe) some money.

WF10 decides not to deal with Alf anymore but refuses to pay the outstanding bill.

Instead WF10 turns to Rus Global (the World) and asks to trade. Rus knows that WF10 has run up bills with Alf that hasn't been paid.

Would Rus trade with WF10 freely?

Or would Rus be suspicious of WF10? And so keep them on a tight rein?
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Tue Jul 30, 2019 12:24 pm

Whatever you may curently feel about BJ, at some point he has to start delivering on these unlimited promises he keeps making, the first of which will be Brexit when he finally realises he doesn't have an ace up his sleeve.

One comment that I constantly come across about BJ is the fact he dores lose concentration and focus. Prefect when you're trying to call someone's bluff. What he does do best his get the right people around him but when he starts to faulter, his friends may well become enemies.
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