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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 20 Mar 2020, 11:57

alftupper wrote: 20 Mar 2020, 08:52 I must say I’m more than happy with how BJ has handled himself so far in this covid-19 pandemic. True statesmanship and leadership.
That statement clearly shows you're just a wind up mecrchant who doesn't actually pay any attention to politics.

He's been absolutely useless with no leadership at all, the 'briefing' the other day with the Chancellor the prime example; he had to rely on the new guy to deal with the burning questions everyone is asking.

The lack of support for workers, the limited support for businesses, the self-employed hung out to dry but best of all, telling everyone not to go to the pub but reluctant to force them to close and support their loss of income. I can also add the failue to step in and help supermarkets control supplies or even force them to provide selctive opening times for the vulnerable and the key workers.

when you leave it to the the people their self interest will always overide the needs of all.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 20 Mar 2020, 14:35

Flat Capper wrote: 20 Mar 2020, 11:57
alftupper wrote: 20 Mar 2020, 08:52 I must say I’m more than happy with how BJ has handled himself so far in this covid-19 pandemic. True statesmanship and leadership.
That statement clearly shows you're just a wind up mecrchant who doesn't actually pay any attention to politics.

He's been absolutely useless with no leadership at all, the 'briefing' the other day with the Chancellor the prime example; he had to rely on the new guy to deal with the burning questions everyone is asking.

The lack of support for workers, the limited support for businesses, the self-employed hung out to dry but best of all, telling everyone not to go to the pub but reluctant to force them to close and support their loss of income. I can also add the failue to step in and help supermarkets control supplies or even force them to provide selctive opening times for the vulnerable and the key workers.

when you leave it to the the people their self interest will always overide the needs of all.
FlatCapper, are you 3 weeks behind in news releases ???

I think they are chucking the Kitchen Sink at fixing both Health and Economic issues that going to be costing Billions and pledging a "Whatever it Takes" stance to fix this virus outbreak based on the last few days of news releases from the Chancellor and the Health Secretary !! BJ doesn't have to be the only spokesperson and quite rightly does rely and lets his ministers speak in their area of responsibility.

Your accusation within your "lack of support" paragraph is totally and utterly wrong ! Maybe you are still smarting after the election defeat which is what I can only imagine why you are stating misguided information !

You still seem to be stuck on Planet Mars along with Jezza and McDonnell who both still seem to think they are going to be leading the labour (with a small "l") party and the election was all a bad dream !! Maybe you are under the same illusion !

We are all in this together so stop whinging and whining and get with it like most people are trying to do !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 20 Mar 2020, 14:56

Listen to the parts you want to but you cannot ignore the fact businesses, health professionals, teachers, transport companies and many more are saying thanks for your current offers but we need more, much more.

Why is the Gov't not forcing pubs and clubs to close (and financially supporting them)? It may hav ebeen announced since I left for work this morning?

As for the man himself, yes, he needs and should be using his ministers to deliver whatever measures they put forward but the clue is in the word Leader. His main function is to lead, to coordinate his troops, to be the spokesperson and most important of all, to stand there in front of us and lead us. He just isn't doing that, just like he was absent during the floods.

If you're inpsired by this man then you're easily pleased.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 20 Mar 2020, 15:27

FlatCapper, what in hell's name would have helped anything on the Floods with BJ being there ??? Do you think he is King Canute or something !!!

What he probably was doing is co-ordinating his team behind the scenes to put action plans into place rather than wasting precious time consoling all the people in Flood Areas which would have been an absolute waste of time that he can ill afford with all what is going on and humongous amounts to do on a range of issues. I suppose you think he should have a brush up his arse also to sweep up while he moves along !!

You are definitely not up to speed on news being announced as they are guaranteeing all sorts of pay for the masses and to try to save a massive recession which, quite honestly,

I don't think the world including the UK will be able to ! Dark Times ahead I'm afraid so buckle up for the worst ride of your life and a totally changed world if we even get that far !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 20 Mar 2020, 16:09

when people are in despair, they want to see their leader, not only addressing them and treating them as individuals but also witnessing there actions. Again, the reaction times of this government were poor and the leader in hiding. As for him being King kanute, he's the one claiming he can turn the tide in 12 weeks!

As I said, I've not seen any new announcements today but the packages I have seen announced do not appear to be as extensive as you would have us believe.

And why oh why has the gov't not got a plan to deal with the panic buying?
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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Flat Capper wrote: 20 Mar 2020, 16:09 when people are in despair, they want to see their leader, not only addressing them and treating them as individuals but also witnessing there actions. Again, the reaction times of this government were poor and the leader in hiding. As for him being King kanute, he's the one claiming he can turn the tide in 12 weeks!

As I said, I've not seen any new announcements today but the packages I have seen announced do not appear to be as extensive as you would have us believe.

And why oh why has the gov't not got a plan to deal with the panic buying?
Your Point 1

What a Load of Hogwash !! We are grown ups who don't need our hands holding like kids with BJ giving it "there,there don't cry" but do expect our Leaders to be beavering away with the precious time they have to try to fix things rather than having 2-3 days going around flooded areas listening to all the despair that doesn't fix diddly squat !

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Wrong again FlatCapper - he DID NOT say he can turn the tide, what he did say is that "WE CAN ONLY" turn the tide providing that WE all follow the guideline protocol and observe other stringents they will soon follow up with ! You are again trying to pin BJ on a blatant untruth !!

This may fail anyway as we have enough knobheads around this Cas Forum think they know better and still thinking it's nowt to worry about and will continue with there lives as normal instead of observing protocol laid out, so a 12 week period is ultimately doomed to failure and this will go on for months on end !

The only way is to lock down NOW and get the army / police to lay down martial law (like China and South Korea who have seen infection rates now tailing off) otherwise this could even go on for 1-2 years, that's if they don't come up with a vaccine till next year !

Your Point 3

On Panic Buying, do you expect the government to be a solver of all issues down to this issue when there are more pressing and more important decisions to be made ? Arse and Sweeping Brush comes back into mind again !! Supermarket Bosses etc should hold the responsibility to solve this in a professional manner with store security and rational quotas of product per person (even this wouldn't stop some selfish greedy arsed people going from store to store or going in and out of the store again and again).

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 20 Mar 2020, 19:37

People like Capper make me sick, the PM is making daily statements and taking the necessary action advised by the experts, the Chancellor is providing £billions in support to business and employees yet he still does nothing but criticise. Probably still bitter that the Labour Party that he was a cheerleader for got walloped in the election.

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Post by CasRus » 21 Mar 2020, 16:39

alftupper wrote: 20 Mar 2020, 19:37 People like Capper make me sick, the PM is making daily statements and taking the necessary action advised by the experts, the Chancellor is providing £billions in support to business and employees yet he still does nothing but criticise. Probably still bitter that the Labour Party that he was a cheerleader for got walloped in the election.
Yes quite right Alf.

FlatCapper is way off base and keeps looking to try to pin BJ to every minor detail which argumentatively, on FlatCapper's part, is so weak, it's almost laughable and is just making himself look like a very sore loser regarding labour getting totally hammered in the election !

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Post by baldtiger » 22 Mar 2020, 10:41

I think you 2 are maybe windup merchants lol . But the election is well in the past now the country voted end of !
Personally I feel time was very much wasted at the start when nothing was done for 3 weeks BJ was happy for all to get the virus , the old and vulnerable been most at risk , he has since had a change of heart and now we are in virtual lock down . Heath workers still haven't got protective equipment , we have recently started to make ventilators . It all seems a bit slow to me, China hit it hard from the start and are now looking good . I cant deny he was following advice ? but not the WHO so maybe its not his fault ? I just hope everyone stays safe it looks like we are in for the long haul . Good luck to all who ever you voted for !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 22 Mar 2020, 19:01

baldtiger wrote: 22 Mar 2020, 10:41
Personally I feel time was very much wasted at the start when nothing was done for 3 weeks BJ was happy for all to get the virus
This is nonsense, this decision was made by experts who modelled the outcomes. Clearly some people do not pay heed to the guidance coming from the daily briefings as in Labour voters packing out their local Wetherspoons.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 23 Mar 2020, 12:37

Whatever you may think about your hero Boris, you cannot hide from the fact health professionals here are asking for more stringent action, foreign leaders are asking for more action, experts everywhere are asking for more action.

No idea what world you two live in but it must be full of unicorns and fairies!

I'm in the real world and I do expect my 'leader' to lead and not bumble along like a headless chicken.

Stay at home and stay safe, everyone.
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Flat Capper wrote: 23 Mar 2020, 12:37 Whatever you may think about your hero Boris, you cannot hide from the fact health professionals here are asking for more stringent action, foreign leaders are asking for more action, experts everywhere are asking for more action.

No idea what world you two live in but it must be full of unicorns and fairies!

I'm in the real world and I do expect my 'leader' to lead and not bumble along like a headless chicken.

Stay at home and stay safe, everyone.
Yes the only way now to stop this is MARTIAL LAW NOW and everyone off the streets !

BJ had given the advice (grown up to grown up with benefit of the doubt on responsibility to allow a degree of responsible freedom for everyone) and which told everyone to follow instructions to isolate.

However, as you are in the real world as you say where we obviously have selfish low life scum people without a brain cell between their ears and think they are bullet proof and finish up going for a last drink in their local pub and then f..king off to the coast over the weekend where a percentage were highly likely carrying the virus, goes to show how morally dysfunctional parts of society really are !

MARTIAL LAW is unfortunately now the only way as presently, we as a species, aren't fit to rule this world in a responsible manner until we start considering one another and other life forms within nature and I feel this is nature's kick back, as it always has and always will be, a question of balance.

We either follow instruction and conform or we will die by the total collapse of society, simple as that !

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Post by Flat Capper » 23 Mar 2020, 14:41

Atr best you would describe BJ's apporach as niaive but inrelaity, he hates taking responsibility. orman Smith summe dit up very well this morning.

The human race is what it is and has slowly been killing itself since it evolved. Therefore, there are times when governments need to step in and take control. This is one of those occasions.
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Post by Flat Capper » 24 Mar 2020, 15:06

Interesting to see BJ still hasn't gone into full, total 'lockdown' and perhaps only he knows why.
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he editorial in yesterday’s Times newspaper was interesting reading, stating that BJ was more Neville Chamberlain rather than Winston Churchill. Still, I suppose it's only loony lefties that are critical of BJ's approach!
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BJ had ultimately put his faith in society to do the right thing and sadly he has been let down - so who is to blame ?

If he had have declared Martial Law at the onset I bet you'd have got straight on the warpath anyway crying your eyes out about losing civil freedom and liberties, so devil you do, devil you don't !!!!

You have already made the decision to criticise him whatever he does - what a saddo !!

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Post by alftupper » 24 Mar 2020, 20:23

CasRus wrote: 24 Mar 2020, 18:33 BJ had ultimately put his faith in society to do the right thing and sadly he has been let down - so who is to blame ?

If he had have declared Martial Law at the onset I bet you'd have got straight on the warpath anyway crying your eyes out about losing civil freedom and liberties, so devil you do, devil you don't !!!!

You have already made the decision to criticise him whatever he does - what a saddo !!
you have more patience than me CasRus, I can’t be bothered to engage with the plant pot. Remember he spent the last few years cheerleading for Corbyn and wanted Diane Abbott as Home Secretary you can’t really argue with that sort of mentality.

This crisis has shown the citizens of this country for what they are and it’s nothing to be proud of. Of course there are exceptions, but it sickens me when I hear politicians evoke the blitz spirit and talk of our collective resolve.

We aren’t that country anymore. Mass immigration and a steady decline in social standards have seen to that. It is also obvious looking at the behaviour of people that a large section of the population are antisocial, selfish and just plain stupid.

On the subject of BJ regardless of what our resident Red says I have heard almost unanimous praise for how he is handling things. Everybody from the site labourers to higher managers and all things in between.

I think this will secure his legacy and he’s not even started yet!

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Post by Flat Capper » 25 Mar 2020, 00:36

"Plant Pot......arguing with that sort of mentality......resident Red", presumably you use these terms to describe the Editor of The Times?

Anyway, you missed off clown but I suggest you look in the mirror for that one.

As for Rusty Cas, I and others, including you, have commented on the mind-set of modern society. It's well documented how selfish we have become with "broken Britain" a common phrase a few years back. Not sure why BJ wasn't/isn't aware of this but being so removed from the majority of Britons, it shouldn't come as a surprise. Then again, his election promises were based on improving the lives of these people so I guess he did have an inkling, unless he was lying.

Either way, as the 'Leader' of our country he should have made the decision based on the [health] needs of the country and the ability of its citizens - he failed.

Yes I have judged him, just as I did of Churchill during my studies of the Second World War. Of course, Churchill was a great Leader during the war but not so much in peacetime. I admire his leadership skills during those dark days of the war and would love a leader of similar qualities today, even a Tory. If only...

Can’t wait for the details for supporting the self-employed, zero hours and franchise workers but I’m not holding my breath. Poor sods are having to ignore the conflicting Government advice just to try and get some money.
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Flat Capper wrote: 25 Mar 2020, 00:36 "Plant Pot......arguing with that sort of mentality......resident Red", presumably you use these terms to describe the Editor of The Times?

Anyway, you missed off clown but I suggest you look in the mirror for that one.

As for Rusty Cas, I and others, including you, have commented on the mind-set of modern society. It's well documented how selfish we have become with "broken Britain" a common phrase a few years back. Not sure why BJ wasn't/isn't aware of this but being so removed from the majority of Britons, it shouldn't come as a surprise. Then again, his election promises were based on improving the lives of these people so I guess he did have an inkling, unless he was lying.

Either way, as the 'Leader' of our country he should have made the decision based on the [health] needs of the country and the ability of its citizens - he failed.

Yes I have judged him, just as I did of Churchill during my studies of the Second World War. Of course, Churchill was a great Leader during the war but not so much in peacetime. I admire his leadership skills during those dark days of the war and would love a leader of similar qualities today, even a Tory. If only...

Can’t wait for the details for supporting the self-employed, zero hours and franchise workers but I’m not holding my breath. Poor sods are having to ignore the conflicting Government advice just to try and get some money.
Moan Moan Moan Moan Moan !!! Capper, what a moaning tw.t you are !!

The situation that has come roaring in and which has caught every country in the world with their trousers down, in your opinion, should be fixed in an instant and the way you think BJ should have a magic wand with all the answers immediately !!!

Are you sure you aren't a Mother in Law with all the moaning you keep dishing out on this forum !!

The Government is doing their utmost with the many problems that keep surfacing from this "never before in our lifetime" situation and are having to fix on the hoof as they make decisions to counteract the issues arising with further ones arising all the time which is considerable and which they are addressing at each turn so what's your f..king problem !!!

All you are doing is moaning your head off with negativity and no positive thoughts and no backing as to what BJ and his boys are doing and having to make up as they go along like all other countries - No Wonder Alf says you make him feel sick !! You as a Red, need to go stick yourself back under that bed !

Before studying Churchill on his plus's and minus's, you need to first go studying and correcting yourself for the modern world as you are an antique trapped in Scargill Days by the sound of you and can't break free !! So Sad !

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Post by Flat Capper » 25 Mar 2020, 11:23

Your patronising stance is only showing you for what you are. Typical BJ tactics of trying to divert from the facts by using personal attacks.

It is interesting that the Dutch Health Organisation are reporting that they believe they’ve reached their peak, we can live in hope. Furthermore, India has already gone into complete lockdown with only a few deaths and 500 confirmed cases. India for Christ's sake, more forward thinking than Britain!

We're also miles behind most nations on the rate of testing we're carrying out, a key component of South Korea's successful strategy to beat these virus.

There is no magic wand but, as other countries have shown, there are successful tactics to reduce the impact and BJ is not using them.

My point about Churchill was to say I'm not criticising him because he's a right wing bigot. I'm doing it because he's failing and it will cost lives.

And I'll repeat, I'm not the only one that's criticising BJ, many from the right wing are doing so also.

Perhaps it is you that cannot see the wood for the trees and believe he can do no wrong, even if thousands die unnecessarily.
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Post by CasRus » 25 Mar 2020, 12:19

Flat Capper wrote: 25 Mar 2020, 11:23 Your patronising stance is only showing you for what you are. Typical BJ tactics of trying to divert from the facts by using personal attacks.

It is interesting that the Dutch Health Organisation are reporting that they believe they’ve reached their peak, we can live in hope. Furthermore, India has already gone into complete lockdown with only a few deaths and 500 confirmed cases. India for Christ's sake, more forward thinking than Britain!

We're also miles behind most nations on the rate of testing we're carrying out, a key component of South Korea's successful strategy to beat these virus.

There is no magic wand but, as other countries have shown, there are successful tactics to reduce the impact and BJ is not using them.

My point about Churchill was to say I'm not criticising him because he's a right wing bigot. I'm doing it because he's failing and it will cost lives.

And I'll repeat, I'm not the only one that's criticising BJ, many from the right wing are doing so also.

Perhaps it is you that cannot see the wood for the trees and believe he can do no wrong, even if thousands die unnecessarily.
The point I'm making is that even if Jesus was a Tory PM you would still moan and find time to criticise !

I'm not saying anyone makes all the right calls when in power, nobody can but for F.ck sake, give the man a chance like he gave us all a chance to make the right decision but has now has had to start removing that from us as obviously it's us as a collective that is at fault due to part's of our illiterate society that spoils it for the rest.

Personally I believe he should have had Martial Law in 2 weeks ago knowing that we have low life scum out there fighting for toilet rolls and pasta for f.ck sake which anybody could have told him but yea of little faith criticise him for trusting us and which now goes to show we could not manage ourselves even if we wanted to !! Like your Red Brethren would say "Power to the People" - I don't f.ckin think so matey after this showing this past few days !!

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