It all depends on to what extreme and to what lies are told on both sides - If you think lies about BJ and Trump in their private lives and economical truth telling on domestic issues (which, by the way, both camps are equally good at) are the more important than Putin sending Russian agents into the UK to murder people, downing a civilian plane in Ukraine costing huge loss of life and Xi holding approx. 1 million people in North East China in detention camps conducting torture and brainwashing sessions on the fact that they are Muslim THEN MORE FOOL YOU !! So, my friend, who is the biggest risk here when these are considered on balance as I would like to know your answer ??? Every Picture tells a story !!Flat Capper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:19 pm On the question of trust, I look at the track records of those stating facts and I'm afraid, Trump has spouted more lies than any other political leader I can think of, including Putin and Xi.
Part of your argument against Corbyn is his refusal to change his mind on many issues, including his belief that we should talk to our enemies, so pardon me if I believe him more than Bungle Johnson and Trump.
On terrorism, JC has clearly stated that he supports the actions on the Police on Friday but perhaps I can be permitted to listen to the words and beliefs of Jack Merritt (and his father) who was passionate about working with prisoners to improve all our lives. Overall there's a simple philosophy, if you can remove the theories that develop the threat, you don't have to worry about shooting on sight. As things stand, there will still be times when force is required and that force needs support, not Tory cuts, but there's nothing to stop us working towards a peaceful resolution.
I'm not repeating my stance on the nuclear deterrent as it's clear for all to see, let it continue for as long as it's required but again, let’s work towards reducing the need.
By the way, if you fear the Russians so much, perhaps you should advise the Tories to stop accepting donations from the Oligarchs who I'm sure will want something in return?
Whatever you may think, the whole world isn’t against us as in your ‘project fear’ world but I’m not dropping my guard just in case.
Of course I do believe in getting rid of Nuclear weapons and the like but this can only be done as a World Agreement only for all to banish these. I just don't get the trillions spent on weapons when the world is in a huge climate crisis and would be best spent on tackling a human extinction event looming very large and like I have said in past posts, this world will be dead in 10 years time with the accelerated snowballing pace now starting to rev up ! IT'S ALL BAD NEWS I'm afraid so all this bickering about Brexit and elections is immaterial to what is about to happen in the next few years !
Jack Merritt's father has conveyed what his son would want but the truth is, where did that get him ? .... DEAD ! along with another colleague ! that's the result of his efforts which no one can deny !
Just one person like Jack's father (who I have every respect for) does not speak for the rest of us when what is in place is clearly not working and to allow dangerous terrorists to fool the authorities to allowing them a reduced sentence is running a very high risk of this happening time and time again don't you think ? OF COURSE IT IS ! So how many more deaths are you prepared to accept in managing the cancerous growth you retain your thinking as being best ?? one, two, three maybe !! Let me tell you something, none is the answer, so once the crime is done, they should accept the legal implications in full and keep a maximum deterrent to stop this risk of innocent lives being lost which is already a big ask, but a hugely reduced death toll is preferable rather than leaving this all to chance which isn't doing anyone any favours ! Your position on this is in my estimation is untenable once we have incidents continuing like it just as it has already done after other London Bridge and Manchester loss of life incidents etc !
Oligarchs in this country are a target for Putin after they fled Russia with Billions, so the money that is allegedly going into the Tories if it is, may be a way of protection spend and not to influence domestic agenda but would seem odd I grant you if it is happening - It needs a look into obviously but you have to look into what context if it is going on also and whether it is above board, however I also note a news story coming out about Labour with Russian disinformation tactics ongoing which again needs to be looked into - You cannot cast aspersions one way and not the other, so investigations do need to be conducted into the way each party works - that fair isn't it ?
Anyway, I do detect a little bit of sheepishness on your side on the onslaught I have given you over "your happy to manage the cancerous growth of terrorism" stance after these latest deaths, so I do hope you can logically start to think out of the Labour box on some issues at the very least ! I'm not about point scoring, far from it, but I do get angry on illogical stances that fly in the face of happenings on the ground and a little pragmatism does go a long way and yes does work both ways when considerations are needed.