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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:09 pm

Russy Babe,

I never said there's a difference between a potential Labour/SNP pact or a Tory/DUP one, I'm merely pointing out that in spite of the quick joke from Liam Byrne, the Tories have consistantly found cash to treat their mates, all at the expense of the less well off.

On the scroungers, etc, I regularly pas a 'Spoons on my way to work and have the dubious pleasure of visiting them for a lunchtime nibble. The vast majority of punters in there during the day are penshioners who are spending their rightly earned pension. there are groupd of young lasd on occasion, enjoying a day off and don't forget current work patterns mean many work 4 days then have 3 or 4 off to do as they please.

You'll have to answer your question about austerity as I'd like to know, that's my entire point. There was money left and the Tories used it for their mates own means.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:09 pm
Russy Babe,

I never said there's a difference between a potential Labour/SNP pact or a Tory/DUP one, I'm merely pointing out that in spite of the quick joke from Liam Byrne, the Tories have consistantly found cash to treat their mates, all at the expense of the less well off.

On the scroungers, etc, I regularly pas a 'Spoons on my way to work and have the dubious pleasure of visiting them for a lunchtime nibble. The vast majority of punters in there during the day are penshioners who are spending their rightly earned pension. there are groupd of young lasd on occasion, enjoying a day off and don't forget current work patterns mean many work 4 days then have 3 or 4 off to do as they please.

You'll have to answer your question about austerity as I'd like to know, that's my entire point. There was money left and the Tories used it for their mates own means.
That was some joke by Liam Byrne ! It turned out to be true !!!

Now I never said spoons - there are plenty of local boozers who have darts/poole where said gentlemen and women congregate to spend their hard earned dole money (some may I add on illegal substances which I have had the dis-pleasure of the smell on many occasion when filing past smoke booths in local boozer establishments). The fact of the matter is there are plenty of jobs available and these work dodgers are doing exactly that and living off your and my tax money and in effect we are working for them ! I am not saying all are like this as some do need assistance and yes there are pensioners also, but these scroungers need to be weeded out !

On austerity, you have to earn the money to spend the money or just like in a home, you have to make cuts to get through times of hardship _ I know a number of my mates who have maxed their cards out several years ago and are still today paying off the accumulated interest and will be doing for the next 10 years and cannot get ahead now and languishing in abject poverty - all for not cutting back and thinking they can spend today and worry about it all tomorrow and that worry is now a complete nightmare ! Same applies here and that my friend is what is called a False Dawn !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:15 pm

CasRus wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:51 pm
Flat Capper wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:09 pm
Russy Babe,

I never said there's a difference between a potential Labour/SNP pact or a Tory/DUP one, I'm merely pointing out that in spite of the quick joke from Liam Byrne, the Tories have consistantly found cash to treat their mates, all at the expense of the less well off.

On the scroungers, etc, I regularly pas a 'Spoons on my way to work and have the dubious pleasure of visiting them for a lunchtime nibble. The vast majority of punters in there during the day are penshioners who are spending their rightly earned pension. there are groupd of young lasd on occasion, enjoying a day off and don't forget current work patterns mean many work 4 days then have 3 or 4 off to do as they please.

You'll have to answer your question about austerity as I'd like to know, that's my entire point. There was money left and the Tories used it for their mates own means.
That was some joke by Liam Byrne ! It turned out to be true !!!

Now I never said spoons - there are plenty of local boozers who have darts/poole where said gentlemen and women congregate to spend their hard earned dole money (some may I add on illegal substances which I have had the dis-pleasure of the smell on many occasion when filing past smoke booths in local boozer establishments). The fact of the matter is there are plenty of jobs available and these work dodgers are doing exactly that and living off your and my tax money and in effect we are working for them ! I am not saying all are like this as some do need assistance and yes there are pensioners also, but these scroungers need to be weeded out !

On austerity, you have to earn the money to spend the money or just like in a home, you have to make cuts to get through times of hardship _ I know a number of my mates who have maxed their cards out several years ago and are still today paying off the accumulated interest and will be doing for the next 10 years and cannot get ahead now and languishing in abject poverty - all for not cutting back and thinking they can spend today and worry about it all tomorrow and that worry is now a complete nightmare ! Same applies here and that my friend is what is called a False Dawn !
I could accept the argument about austerity if it included the vast sums of money found to prop up the coalition of Tory/DUP - choices were made to punish the poorest because they're easy to target.

By the way, when is BJ going to turn up for a face-to-face with either Andrew Neil or other party leaders in an open debate? Anyone would think he has something to hide......coward.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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err, he’s just spent a whole hour this morning with Nick Ferrari answering direct questions from the public. Keep up.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:12 pm

Flat Capper wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:15 pm
CasRus wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:51 pm
Flat Capper wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:09 pm
Russy Babe,

I never said there's a difference between a potential Labour/SNP pact or a Tory/DUP one, I'm merely pointing out that in spite of the quick joke from Liam Byrne, the Tories have consistantly found cash to treat their mates, all at the expense of the less well off.

On the scroungers, etc, I regularly pas a 'Spoons on my way to work and have the dubious pleasure of visiting them for a lunchtime nibble. The vast majority of punters in there during the day are penshioners who are spending their rightly earned pension. there are groupd of young lasd on occasion, enjoying a day off and don't forget current work patterns mean many work 4 days then have 3 or 4 off to do as they please.

You'll have to answer your question about austerity as I'd like to know, that's my entire point. There was money left and the Tories used it for their mates own means.
That was some joke by Liam Byrne ! It turned out to be true !!!

Now I never said spoons - there are plenty of local boozers who have darts/poole where said gentlemen and women congregate to spend their hard earned dole money (some may I add on illegal substances which I have had the dis-pleasure of the smell on many occasion when filing past smoke booths in local boozer establishments). The fact of the matter is there are plenty of jobs available and these work dodgers are doing exactly that and living off your and my tax money and in effect we are working for them ! I am not saying all are like this as some do need assistance and yes there are pensioners also, but these scroungers need to be weeded out !

On austerity, you have to earn the money to spend the money or just like in a home, you have to make cuts to get through times of hardship _ I know a number of my mates who have maxed their cards out several years ago and are still today paying off the accumulated interest and will be doing for the next 10 years and cannot get ahead now and languishing in abject poverty - all for not cutting back and thinking they can spend today and worry about it all tomorrow and that worry is now a complete nightmare ! Same applies here and that my friend is what is called a False Dawn !
I could accept the argument about austerity if it included the vast sums of money found to prop up the coalition of Tory/DUP - choices were made to punish the poorest because they're easy to target.

By the way, when is BJ going to turn up for a face-to-face with either Andrew Neil or other party leaders in an open debate? Anyone would think he has something to hide......coward.
FlatCapper, did you see the interview this morning with Gove, Johnson and labour Gisela Stewart (Labour) this lunchtime ??

That more or less tells you exactly how it is and what this country is having to face up to ??

If and hopefully when you do, can you tell me exactly why you and your colleagues would still vote for 3 more years at the very least of this country fading away into oblivion ??

Or, put it another way after hopefully watching this lunchtime interview, and from an outside looking in perspective rather than either having red or blue glasses on, if you consider both Labour/SNP coalition and Tory run governments of the future, which of the lesser 2 evils would you vote for if you consider all aspects for the greater good of this country ??

For me it comes down to common sense as not getting Brexit done is a vote for this country being left in a stagnating barrel of sh.t and not ever getting out. Gisela Stewart (your Labour member has spoken common sense in saying to vote Tory this time is not necessarily abandoning Labour virtues and which I have said that Labour can have it's day in the sun after we get out of this cluster-f.ck that has this country stuck in a "Nightmare on Groundhog Street" !!).

Yes I know you don't like Boris and his bumbling banana skin slip ups and being somewhat economical with the truth at times, but all politicians are in that same mould to various degrees and do slip up as would anyone when consistently scrutinised and held to account - nobody is ever completely 100% right and if there is such a person around, his name must be Jesus !!

He has at least offered to work with Labour on the Social care issue as he mentioned today and he is looking to reach all corners of the UK now rather have wealth targeted in the South East - and nobody will ever know what he will do until he is given the chance to prove it as Project Fear that Labour have embarked on (and which has had this country stuck these past few years on) of what he may or may not do, does not cut it -FACT ! - it's all speculation and not proven is it or has everyone in the Labour hierarchy got a crystal ball !! - I'm sure I saw Jezza in Scarborough impersonating Petulengro recently ….ha ha only joking !!

It's Black and White to me and re-inforced by that interview this lunchtime, vote for anybody else other than Tory just now would totally destroy this country over the next few years or vote for the only chance as I see it, to get out of this mess and hopefully progress and nobody is saying it's going to be that easy but at least we could have the chance to dig ourselves out !!

I don't know if you are a remainer or leaver FlatCapper, however the other way of looking at Jezza's renegotaiton of Brexit is to remain in "pretend leave sheep's clothing" and to either vote for this or vote to actually remain come to the same destination which is to say we have not got any choice as both are effectively remain ! - great stitch up eh to the 17.4 million forcing them back in to the EU and destroying the say of the people who voted democratically - it's equally as bad as the Lib Dems cancelling article 50 and rough-shodding over democracy !! Now that's what I call Dictatorship !!

One other point I will make is that Jezza mentions that Isis bride wanting to return saying she should be allowed to as she didn't know what she was doing because of her age and in the next breath trying to get 16 year olds onto the electorate who are now suddenly wise enough to vote ! - Now come on, that is what I would say as saying contradictory things to suit your own ends and benefit !! Is he for real ???

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Post by Flat Capper » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:00 pm

Project ear - You mean like saying if you vote Labour, the world will end?

Brexit - the deal we have on the table still requires negotiations about trade amongst other subjects so we shall remain tied for some time, either way. This current deal alos ties us into the EU to some degree and is therefore not a full release with no ties. 'No deal' is no longer an option so it makes absolute sense to put whatever deal we do get back to the public and then deliver what they choose.

Isis Bride - she's already here after this government decided to bring her back and will no odubt be registered to vote in this election!

You summed it up perfectly with the phrase common sense and in your own words, Boris' bumblinbg banana skin slip ups and economical truth tells me he has none. Educated idiot who cannot tie his own shoe laces.

Oh, and no, I haven't seen the lunchtime session but I am looking forward to the coward Boris finally getting in front of the camera......
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Post by CasRus » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:52 pm

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Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:00 pm
Project ear - You mean like saying if you vote Labour, the world will end?

Brexit - the deal we have on the table still requires negotiations about trade amongst other subjects so we shall remain tied for some time, either way. This current deal alos ties us into the EU to some degree and is therefore not a full release with no ties. 'No deal' is no longer an option so it makes absolute sense to put whatever deal we do get back to the public and then deliver what they choose.

Isis Bride - she's already here after this government decided to bring her back and will no odubt be registered to vote in this election!

You summed it up perfectly with the phrase common sense and in your own words, Boris' bumblinbg banana skin slip ups and economical truth tells me he has none. Educated idiot who cannot tie his own shoe laces.

Oh, and no, I haven't seen the lunchtime session but I am looking forward to the coward Boris finally getting in front of the camera......
Ah Yes, let me think, is he the idiot that Labour said he couldn't get a new deal out of the EU and who Labour have been dissing him ever since he got into Power without giving him a chance to see what he does and bang on about what nasty things he may do to the country without any basis and then rush out an unredacted dossier that proves diddly squat about the Tories selling off the NHS ??

And, is there another idiot leading Labour who after presenting his manifesto with the huge amount of spend suddenly decides to add another 58 Billion to the national debt 2 days later without any plan as to how to pay for it ?? -

Yes, Jezza did show Boris how to tie up his own shoelaces alright but found he had tied them together and then tripped up and fell over flat on his face when confronted on the Andrew Neil show !! Nice one Jezza and as the famous Confusious proverb states "One who tie up shoelaces will be hung upside down by them from the nearest one of 200 trees a minute plantation in Labour Fairyland "

Anyway, back to reality, It will be nice to hear your comments after you hopefully see this interview in it's entirety for a more of a serious discuss rather than banging our heads together !

Are you sure that Isis Bride is here as I have not seen any news on this ? All I've heard is that they have brought back a number of Isis kids !

No Deal is absolutely an option in December 2020 and needs to be otherwise what kind of final deal could we expect without it ! This question was tabled at the interview today.

Talking of Economical with the Truth, There's more truth in the book of Grimm than what was in the Labour Manifesto with it's additional 58 Billion Waspi "added later" chapter !! It should have been called "Labour Pork Pies -The Road to Economic Destruction" That has now proved to a rather big porky in saying 95% of the population will not have to pay any more tax - HE FINALLY ADMITTED IT didn't he that this is a fabrication !! Now That's what you can also call being economical with the Truth - Snap !

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So if no deal is still an option, when is BJ going to tell the public as oposed to his current script of ALL 635 Tory canditates have signed up to support the current deal, which isn't a no deal brexit.

The IFS also criticised the Tory spending plan, suggest they'd need additonal tax hikes to help pay for it. Lying and not telling the truth are the same in my books. Whilst the 95% not paying extra taxes may have been poor language, at least they also announced the marriage person's tax changes so they were hardly hiding the truth were they?

You yourself have already stated that, and I quote "but all politicians are in that same mould to various degrees and do slip up as would anyone when consistently scrutinised and held to account - nobody is ever completely 100% right and if there is such a person around, his name must be Jesus !!".

What's good for the goose is certainly good for the working man.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:18 pm
So if no deal is still an option, when is BJ going to tell the public as oposed to his current script of ALL 635 Tory canditates have signed up to support the current deal, which isn't a no deal brexit.

The IFS also criticised the Tory spending plan, suggest they'd need additonal tax hikes to help pay for it. Lying and not telling the truth are the same in my books. Whilst the 95% not paying extra taxes may have been poor language, at least they also announced the marriage person's tax changes so they were hardly hiding the truth were they?

You yourself have already stated that, and I quote "but all politicians are in that same mould to various degrees and do slip up as would anyone when consistently scrutinised and held to account - nobody is ever completely 100% right and if there is such a person around, his name must be Jesus !!".

What's good for the goose is certainly good for the working man.
Flatcapper we are all guilty in some shape or form to varying degrees and it's no different to listening to all politicians who bend the truth to suit themselves and slip up on occasion and all parties are the same - It's up to each individual to make out what and who is the most believable in the political world - I've never seen a fully 100% politician straight as a die in the UK parliament yet ! - That's life !

Yes the IFS certainly did criticise both but just look at the difference on the spending plans between Labour and Tory - Tories is massively lower and if they have to spend extra at least it may just be in the realms of manageability - Labour spending plans is just "pie in the sky high" and is an exercise to bribe voters to vote for them I'm sorry to say !

It's absolutely making me laugh at the way Labour are now speaking to Labour Leavers with their new tactics saying they are able to get a Brexit deal done and rely on Labour to complete this while at the same time they are telling Labour remainers they can also stay in the EU - Now you tell me which is true and of which nobody knows - It's totally farcical ! They are certainly lying to one section of their own supporters as one section of the Labour vote will be totally disappointed and disillusioned !! You lot would stand for rocks being smashed over your heads !!

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Labour are unelectable at the moment.
This will remain the same until Corbyn, Momentum and the Marxist ideology is removed from the party.
Marxism/communism/left wing socialism has failed around the world and has no place in a modern society.
The British public simply do not support such views.
I believe in a strong opposition, I'm afraid Labour will be in the wilderness for years until they get back to a more moderate ideology. Labour's traditional supporters have deserted them due their current ideology. I am one of those, as are many other traditional labour supporters.
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Casmania wrote:
Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:06 pm
Labour are unelectable at the moment.
This will remain the same until Corbyn, Momentum and the Marxist ideology is removed from the party.
Marxism/communism/left wing socialism has failed around the world and has no place in a modern society.
The British public simply do not support such views.
I believe in a strong opposition, I'm afraid Labour will be in the wilderness for years until they get back to a more moderate ideology. Labour's traditional supporters have deserted them due their current ideology. I am one of those, as are many other traditional labour supporters.
This more or less echoes my OP of over 4 years ago and since then we have had two Marxists on here extolling the virtues of messrs Corbyn and McDonnell

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