Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

[CasRus]

Like I said, if Labour has fully backed the Tories on leaving instead of blocking, their day in the sunshine would have transpired but your too radical and too socialist leaders had other ideas - you can look forward to the next election given that you have leaders with an ounce of common sense

[alftupper]

Personally, I think going full Leave was the only option because it was the same one as the Tories.
The Lib Dems might have made some gains, but you wouldn't have seen the Tories taking so many votes from Labour on a Leave ticket. Both would have been on the same page there so it would have had to come down to the other policies.

That's hindsight though.

Labour trying to appease everyone worked to an extent in 2017, but two and a half years later people wanted a clear position and decided we didn't have one, so they were voting for the party that did.

For this, McDonnell has to take the lions share of the blame I reckon.

To blame this catastrophe on Brexit is to ignore Corbyn’s unpopularity, countless Labour MP’s have said when out campaigning the feedback from the public was ‘I can’t vote for Corbyn’

[WF10]

Personally, I think going full Leave was the only option because it was the same one as the Tories.
The Lib Dems might have made some gains, but you wouldn't have seen the Tories taking so many votes from Labour on a Leave ticket. Both would have been on the same page there so it would have had to come down to the other policies.

That's hindsight though.

Labour trying to appease everyone worked to an extent in 2017, but two and a half years later people wanted a clear position and decided we didn't have one, so they were voting for the party that did.

For this, McDonnell has to take the lions share of the blame I reckon.

To blame this catastrophe on Brexit is to ignore Corbyn’s unpopularity, countless Labour MP’s have said when out campaigning the feedback from the public was in can’t vote for Corbyn’

I'm not having it that Corbyn is more unpopular than Johnson.

'tank top bum boys'
'picaninnies'
'letter boxes'
'Islam is the problem'
etc

Corbyn is only unpopular among people who read The S*n, Daily Mail, Express etc as its been drip-fed to them that you can't trust people with a beard (especially women btw).

My opinion is that Labour's Brexit position paralysed the Party. McDonnell was instrumental in this, in trying to get the cities onside but it was to the detriment of their traditional strongholds.

And Rus, as I've said before - if Labour moves to the centre I for one won't be supporting them.

[alftupper]

Personally, I think going full Leave was the only option because it was the same one as the Tories.
The Lib Dems might have made some gains, but you wouldn't have seen the Tories taking so many votes from Labour on a Leave ticket. Both would have been on the same page there so it would have had to come down to the other policies.

That's hindsight though.

Labour trying to appease everyone worked to an extent in 2017, but two and a half years later people wanted a clear position and decided we didn't have one, so they were voting for the party that did.

For this, McDonnell has to take the lions share of the blame I reckon.

To blame this catastrophe on Brexit is to ignore Corbyn’s unpopularity, countless Labour MP’s have said when out campaigning the feedback from the public was in can’t vote for Corbyn’

I'm not having it that Corbyn is more unpopular than Johnson.

'tank top bum boys'
'picaninnies'
'letter boxes'
'Islam is the problem'
etc

Corbyn is only unpopular among people who read The S*n, Daily Mail, Express etc as its been drip-fed to them that you can't trust people with a beard (especially women btw).

My opinion is that Labour's Brexit position paralysed the Party. McDonnell was instrumental in this, in trying to get the cities onside but it was to the detriment of their traditional strongholds.

And Rus, as I've said before - if Labour moves to the centre I for one won't be supporting them.

you are spouting the Party line that it is the fault of Brexit. Regardless of what you think Boris is quite popular. You must know deep down it was Corbyn. I spoke to several remain Labour voters myself in the build up they all said they couldn’t bring themselves to vote for him.

[alftupper]

And Rus, as I've said before - if Labour moves to the centre I for one won't be supporting them.

I should hope not and the same goes for your mate Capper with the arguments you have made over the years. I respect you for sticking to your principles but in today’s society you fall in the category of hard left, this is not the 1970’s

You have enjoyed your day in the sun now go off and campaign for the Socialist Labour Party or similar.

[CasRus]

Personally, I think going full Leave was the only option because it was the same one as the Tories.
The Lib Dems might have made some gains, but you wouldn't have seen the Tories taking so many votes from Labour on a Leave ticket. Both would have been on the same page there so it would have had to come down to the other policies.

That's hindsight though.

Labour trying to appease everyone worked to an extent in 2017, but two and a half years later people wanted a clear position and decided we didn't have one, so they were voting for the party that did.

For this, McDonnell has to take the lions share of the blame I reckon.

To blame this catastrophe on Brexit is to ignore Corbyn’s unpopularity, countless Labour MP’s have said when out campaigning the feedback from the public was in can’t vote for Corbyn’

I'm not having it that Corbyn is more unpopular than Johnson.

'tank top bum boys'
'picaninnies'
'letter boxes'
'Islam is the problem'
etc

Corbyn is only unpopular among people who read The S*n, Daily Mail, Express etc as its been drip-fed to them that you can't trust people with a beard (especially women btw).

My opinion is that Labour's Brexit position paralysed the Party. McDonnell was instrumental in this, in trying to get the cities onside but it was to the detriment of their traditional strongholds.

And Rus, as I've said before - if Labour moves to the centre I for one won't be supporting them.

you are spouting the Party line that it is the fault of Brexit. Regardless of what you think Boris is quite popular. You must know deep down it was Corbyn. I spoke to several remain Labour voters myself in the build up they all said they couldn’t bring themselves to vote for him.

I detect a bit of sour grapes from WF10 !

To compare a few off the cuff remarks from Boris compared to 70 serious sworn statements on anti semitism is beyond belief !!
WF10 is in self denial about his morals - most have deserted Corbyn and McDonnell and that tells you everything !

You need a good slapping WF10 to shake you out of your pathetic views and start listening to your True Labour peers who see through what Jezza / McDonnell are and where you haven’t got the sense to detect ! If you think you are right you might as well trot on over to Russia to live instead of Scotland !

[WF10]

Not at all.

The Labour vote plummeted from 2017 when its policy was to respect the referendum vote. It had a radical manifesto then and it had Jeremy Corbyn as leader.
The difference yesterday was that Labour abandoned that policy in favour of a second referendum.
This was a policy forced on Labour by its right wing

[WF10]

Personally, I think going full Leave was the only option because it was the same one as the Tories.
The Lib Dems might have made some gains, but you wouldn't have seen the Tories taking so many votes from Labour on a Leave ticket. Both would have been on the same page there so it would have had to come down to the other policies.

That's hindsight though.

Labour trying to appease everyone worked to an extent in 2017, but two and a half years later people wanted a clear position and decided we didn't have one, so they were voting for the party that did.

For this, McDonnell has to take the lions share of the blame I reckon.

To blame this catastrophe on Brexit is to ignore Corbyn’s unpopularity, countless Labour MP’s have said when out campaigning the feedback from the public was in can’t vote for Corbyn’

I'm not having it that Corbyn is more unpopular than Johnson.

'tank top bum boys'
'picaninnies'
'letter boxes'
'Islam is the problem'
etc

Corbyn is only unpopular among people who read The S*n, Daily Mail, Express etc as its been drip-fed to them that you can't trust people with a beard (especially women btw).

My opinion is that Labour's Brexit position paralysed the Party. McDonnell was instrumental in this, in trying to get the cities onside but it was to the detriment of their traditional strongholds.

And Rus, as I've said before - if Labour moves to the centre I for one won't be supporting them.

you are spouting the Party line that it is the fault of Brexit. Regardless of what you think Boris is quite popular. You must know deep down it was Corbyn. I spoke to several remain Labour voters myself in the build up they all said they couldn’t bring themselves to vote for him.

I detect a bit of sour grapes from WF10 !

To compare a few off the cuff remarks from Boris compared to 70 serious sworn statements on anti semitism is beyond belief !!
WF10 is in self denial about his morals - most have deserted Corbyn and McDonnell and that tells you everything !

You need a good slapping WF10 to shake you out of your pathetic views and start listening to your True Labour peers who see through what Jezza / McDonnell are and where you haven’t got the sense to detect ! If you think you are right you might as well trot on over to Russia to live instead of Scotland !

I didn't think anything would make me smile today, but you've managed it, thanks Adolf.

How many of them 70 statements are to do with what Corbyn himself has actually said?
ZERO.

I'm [REMOVED] this board off for a while anyway.

Ta-ra.

[alftupper]

probably the best for your health WF10 all the best and see you after your recovery

[CasRus]

probably the best for your health WF10 all the best and see you after your recovery

What do you think Alf about WF10 ??

I think he’s a right big girls blouse and has now spit his dummy out !!

He really needs to grow up as he’s now shown he’s not up to discussion with the big misters !

[hazzy]

This topic appears to be between 3 or 4 people, and now one has had enough and left, however I'll put my twopenny worth in for what it's worth, I'm with you two, alfie and CasRus, I voted to leave, so this morning I'm delighted, the Remainer Labour supporters not so, I must say it has taken something big for Labour supporters up and down the Country to swallow their pride, and vote for Boris,,, my assessment of the present Tory party, is it is not the party of old, the old farts have gone,( Dominic Geave, Ken Clark, Anna Subury, and Others) have left, the others have been sacked, now we are left with a different Tory Party, one I think, I hope, will be more in tune with the blue collar worker, Boris should now do more for these areas, lets face it he owes them one, in my opinion, he's more in tune with them that this current Labour lot,,,, I voted to leave, but there was now way I was going to vote to put a Marxist into No. 10

[alftupper]

Welcome to the topic hazzy although I’m not sure what sort of debate we’ll have going forward all the reds seem to have run away.

[alftupper]

It’s a shame WF10 has left but the lad has been completely brainwashed into spouting the Party line about Brexit being the reason for Labour’s crushing defeat. I’ve just driven home listening to 5Live for the last hour and every vox pop reveals it was all about Jezza. In fact defeated Labour MP for Sedgefield Phil Wilson said for every person that cited Brexit as the reason he wouldn’t be getting their vote, 5 said it was because of Corbyn.

WF10 in total denial

[braytontiger]

It’s a shame WF10 has left but the lad has been completely brainwashed into spouting the Party line about Brexit being the reason for Labour’s crushing defeat. I’ve just driven home listening to 5Live for the last hour and every vox pop reveals it was all about Jezza. In fact defeated Labour MP for Sedgefield Phil Wilson said for every person that cited Brexit as the reason he wouldn’t be getting their vote, 5 said it was because of Corbyn.

WF10 in total denial

I’ve just listened to the same interview. I think Corbyn as thrown many northern MPs under a bus.
My self I voted for brexit in 2016 and from a mining family I had always voted labour,the continuous stalling from our own MP added to the delusional left wing Marxist there was no way they were getting my vote yesterday.
I wanted a Tory win,I like Boris I like his personality and I actually believe he will get the job done but I still couldn’t vote for him so like many I put my X into the brexit party in the hope they would force enough votes to kill off labour.
It didn’t quite work here but nationally it certainly did. Job done imo

[alftupper]

a shame you couldn’t bring yourself to vote Tory, I’m sure the Brexit Party was the reason Balls-Cooper retained the seat

[braytontiger]

a shame you couldn’t bring yourself to vote Tory, I’m sure the Brexit Party was the reason Balls-Cooper retained the seat

Maybe if the conservative candidate had put himself forward in the area either in person on via social media he may have got the extra votes he needed to beat cooper. Sorry to say I don’t even know his name never mind what he was standing for.
I’d imagine the vast majority of the 8000 brexit voters were disgruntled labour voters that found voting Tory s bridge too far.

[duke street 10]

I've enjoyed watching Alan Johnson giving his views on John Lansman and Momentum from last night on social media. He didn't hold back!

[CasRus]

This topic appears to be between 3 or 4 people, and now one has had enough and left, however I'll put my twopenny worth in for what it's worth, I'm with you two, alfie and CasRus, I voted to leave, so this morning I'm delighted, the Remainer Labour supporters not so, I must say it has taken something big for Labour supporters up and down the Country to swallow their pride, and vote for Boris,,, my assessment of the present Tory party, is it is not the party of old, the old farts have gone,( Dominic Geave, Ken Clark, Anna Subury, and Others) have left, the others have been sacked, now we are left with a different Tory Party, one I think, I hope, will be more in tune with the blue collar worker, Boris should now do more for these areas, lets face it he owes them one, in my opinion, he's more in tune with them that this current Labour lot,,,, I voted to leave, but there was now way I was going to vote to put a Marxist into No. 10

Hello Hazzy,

It’s good to know that there are people like you who can think and decipher for themselves rather than being brainwashed just because the area has been predominantly Labour for many a year and always follow suit.

And it’s just to say you have my warm-hearted thanks to agree with Alf and myself as we always try to argue our corner from a logical perspective.

It was intimidating to see all the posts on this forum from a Marxist led side trying absolutely everything negative about the Tories and the insinuations of what he was going to do (like selling the NHS) without any grounds of proof like Corbyn was trying to do all the time which was project fear based on scurrilous accusation with no foundation.

BJ has not been in position for long and he needs testing before anyone can say anything and needs that time to either prove himself as to what his manifesto mentions or as near as dammit or have the electorate vote him out if underperforming. He has many a challenge to face up to.

If he does want to make the Northern Heartlands a focus of improvement which he says he is looking to repay the faith they placed in him for the first time in voting Tory, then this should go a very long way to building trust.

The Jury should remain out until he shows us his A Game so let’s get behind him and give him the chance.

I’m hoping WF10 does come back into the forum and if he reads this, I will apologise to him if I have been a little hard hitting and critical (which I personally believe I have at times) and hope he takes time to reflect a little more and not be a man that goes too radically in future life but I share his concerns on getting the lower end moving and assistance they do need and where every government assistance possible can be provided for the genuine people that need it ( but there is a lot to weed out also that are working benefit systems also as we all know).

I also hope Labour does sort itself out and provide the counter to Tory in keeping them honest as there were a few things/ ideas likeable in their manifesto which should be tabled in Parliament and hopefully adopted and noted as being a Labour led policy for future reference in the next election.

[alftupper]

well it’s good to see Boris straight out there and touring Labour’s fallen citadels of the north. I really do expect Boris to do a great job and it is good to see him getting out to these newly won constituencies expressing his gratitude. I think if we have a good five years, then Labour will be in for a shock if they expect to re-take some of these places.

[CasRus]

well it’s good to see Boris straight out there and touring Labour’s fallen citadels of the north. I really do expect Boris to do a great job and it is good to see him getting out to these newly won constituencies expressing his gratitude. I think if we have a good five years, then Labour will be in for a shock if they expect to re-take some of these places.

Hi Alf, yes he’s done the right thing to come up to the Heartlands immediately and more or less say he is going to try to help the North in appreciation of them lending their vote and let’s hope he can cement a good relationship for the future.

I’ve always thought that if the North try the blues for a change, it would attract them to spend in the North rather than the south.

If he dumps HS2 and diverts to trans Pennines this will be a show of faith and I do hope he can consider to look into making that third runway defunct at Heathrow and consider Donny airport for this spend as a true international airport serving London with high speed railway link as this would definitely bring jobs and wealth to the North and open up the North as a major UK powerhouse area which has always been awaiting to be unleashed.

I will be contacting local MP to make the airport suggestion and hope northern MPs can lobby for Donny airport.

These projects obviously need to assessed for viability but while it’s running hot just now, it really needs to get these ideas out up for consideration and try to bring the profit in to deal with the problems that austerity has impacted on and help the needy and at the same time help the North with jobs and wealth creation here.