Flat Capper wrote: alftupper wrote:
Flat Capper wrote:Gents, I've got to say you've lost the plot.
Firstly, if the Police are only protecting "law abiding citizens" you're probably ruling yourself out of protect. Have you ever broken the speed limit, parked illegally, bought an alcoholic drink below the age of 18 or even used foul language in a public space that is likely to have offended someone within earshot? There are many laws that most folk aren't aware of and even less likely to know whether they've broken them.
Secondly, in my books wanting someone killed for whatever reason makes you no better than the so called criminals themselves. Giving the Police cart blanche to kill someone by ramming them with a patrol car is certainly not what I would expect in a civilised country.
Punishing convicted criminals through adequate sentencing however does have a place in a civilised society.
Good grief is that your contribution? Some semantics on law abiding citizens how petty. The none violent knife wielding members of society. Happy now... although I’m braced for some comment about my cutlery drawer.
Also approximately 50% of the UK population support the reintroduction of capital punishment so you have just written off half the country as ‘no better than criminals’
Classic Capper, thanks for your interjection
Classic Alf, dismisses the opposing view simply because the truth hurts!
Have you written the other 50% off as namby pamby lefties and therefore don't deserve the right to comment? History tells us that capital punishment also kills the innocent but I guess they don't matter?
Anyway, just to emphasise the point again, someone that has gone through the courts and been found guilty by a jury of their peers is then subject to the sentencing regime that is in place. A motorcycle rider being chased by the Police hasn't been subject to the due legal process and that allows corrupt Police officers (of which there have been many over the years) to take matters into their own hands. For the Police to remain at the panicle of law enforcement they need to be whiter than white or they simply lose respect. They should never be regarded as above the law.
Flatcapper, no system put in place is infallible - Capital Punishment is typical of this and yes a few people have been wrongly hanged in the past but the chances of this happening again with re-itroduction is limited by DNA tech advancements but not totally infallible. Now take the view of CP being a major deterrent which it is, then the stats of people being unlawfully killed will drop dramatically so in essence saving more lives statistically than any person being wrongly hanged - So it's a trade off of a couple of potentially people wrongly hanged against the many innocents that won't be killed ! I know which side of this argument I would be on and if you aren't, then you are a numpty !
Same goes for having trust in the police which I take your point of some of them not being whiter than white, however again in putting the stats applied principle, the many career criminals not giving a rat's arse about innocents against a few police tactical screw ups - again I know which side I am on and if you are not of the same opinion, I now know why they call you the Loony Left !
Putting draconian principles in place like drafting youngsters for 2 years into the armed forces or into apprentice programs to teach them work and life principles, chain gangs and harsher sentences for all these drug related and joy rider scumbags, capital punishment re-instated would soon sort most of this out rather than the namby pamby soft left of centre do gooder principles that has got us nowhere and evil entities laughing in the face of good ! No wonder this country is going to the dogs !
Flatcapper, you seriously need to run a health check on your outlook on life as what's been happening in your realm of life principles which this country has been applying has got us where we are today with most of these principles being in place and deployed over these past number of years - This has resulted in losing the streets to serious crime (drive by shootings stabbings aplenty) and misery for lots of people who daren't venture out on their own even in daylight ! IT's TIME FOR CHANGE and long overdue !