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Post by westerbeast » 06 Jan 2019, 09:45

The club are still trying to recover from the Hardaker fiasco. Imagine the same thing happening at Saints with Barba last season. Reckon they would have been anywhere near top 4 ? Very much doubt it.

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Post by Fryston Tiger » 06 Jan 2019, 10:16

Brainyfrainy wrote:
Fryston Tiger wrote:Aid....your wasting your time. You give a logical answer and the doom mongers will just regurgitate an old answer....without really giving anything plausible back. There's no wonder this Forum is going down the pan.
Nobody is saying it's all perfect. What some of us are saying is it's not always possible to do what we want as a Club of our size. Bigger crowds will give us more to play with. As would more Corporate money. But we are tied. For a number of reasons. What we can do though, is get behind the team and stop seeing bad in everything. For God's sake....the season hasn't even started yet and people are writing us off. Let's see what happens n put a little trust in the Coaching staff.
Which reasons are we tied from


It can’t be money we have been recording profit for a good few years now. Especially with prize money from final appearances etc.
Do you really need it spelling out?
Our ground is is from the 1920s....so it limits us.
We made modest profits off the back of a trip to Wembley (with a side nowhere near as good as the one we have now) and a fantastic season that ended with us lifting the LLS and a trip to OT......crowds were up massively. The profits went back into the team. But we didn't make millions.
We've invested in youth, at some point we have to give these talented lads a chance to step up. It's not always about throwing money at big signings all the time. Sometimes it pays off waiting for the right player.

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Post by cogito ergo sum » 06 Jan 2019, 10:18

And Saints won what exactly...?

Trawling the Championship has always happened. Player develop at different rates. Where did Jake Trueman come from, Zak Hardacre, Hill, Walmsley, Minikin, Matautia, to name a few.

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Post by braytontiger » 06 Jan 2019, 10:23

Two of our greatest players came from the lower league in Tawera Nikau and St John Ellis both York and add to that Graham Steadman via featherstone.

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Post by tigerfeat » 06 Jan 2019, 10:26

westerbeast wrote:The club are still trying to recover from the Hardaker fiasco. Imagine the same thing happening at Saints with Barba last season. Reckon they would have been anywhere near top 4 ? Very much doubt it.
I agree with this were not a team that can go out and sign a marquee and make everything right we've gone about trying to build a team under a very good coach and he's being hampered in his work by the likes of Carney chase to a lesser extent and zak to a major extent
I don't believe we've made all the right moves in the last twelve months but even if luke gales gone for the season Powell will keep the team around the top five this year some cap space will be freed up and we need to recruit very well for 2020
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Post by fords » 06 Jan 2019, 11:03

Jonny1975 wrote:Our three quarter line will be the weakest it's been for a few yrs. Minikin is not a centre, not big enough, not strong enough, never will be. A decent winger, an average centre. Least said about James Clare the better, stolen from under the noses of York last yr tells it's own story. Shenton is quite clearly, on some of last season's performances, in the twilight of his career. Some of his performances last season were poor. Peanut n Eden are v good, but other than them, none of our first choice 3 quarters would get in any other top 8 team. To compare our outside backs to that of a rivals is scary. I'm not a doom n gloom poster before anyone starts, I just say what I see. And we are well short of quality out wide, which is a shame as the pack is good enough to provide platforms for them. In conclusion it's massively short sighted by the club not to have replaced Webster with like for like, he will be sorely missed.
Webster like for like. Go on then who should that of been ?
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Post by fords » 06 Jan 2019, 11:06

:clap: :clap: :clap:[/quote]
Webster's replacement was brought in seasons ago, MINIKIN ?[/quote]


There's a reason he was being played on the wing and the likes of an ageing Webster & Shenton or out of position Wardle or Foster were preferred. He isn't good enough at the top level at centre in my opinion but is a good superleague standard winger. And playing him at centre means we also get the bang average at best Clare as a first choice winger weakening the threequarters still further.

Sorry but we were one or two clever signings away from really challenging this year, maybe doing something special. We seem to be trying to blow that opportunity and it's one that may not come round again for a good while.[/quote]

In a salary-capped sport, where we are paying up to that maximum cap, where is the money coming from for those clever signings?
Not to be argumentative, but all those saying we are 2 centre's short of a very good side, how do you propose we pay for them?
And don't say release so and so...it's not that easy when they are under contract. Genuinely interested......[/quote]
If we are up to salary cap we have made some bad deals but I don't believe we are up to salary cap. We should cheat with two marquee players not counting in salary cap like other top teams are . Not to bring a centre and winger in is very poor management for me that's what john wells job suppose to be improve team and squad. The same as other posters on this one want to be well off mark and hope were right up there again and not panic signing player after first few months.[/quote]

What you on about cheat with marquee signings like others ?

Only the first 150k counts, so you can pay them 400k if you want but it dont all count.
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Post by fords » 06 Jan 2019, 11:08

JSLisnotaprop wrote:
Easy Tiger 2 wrote:When will people understand we have spent our money!!!
What did we plan on using to pay for Sau & Ikahihfo?

Where’s the money from Webster, Jy & Springer gone?

When was the last time you saw the club say what they’ve spent the lottery money on that’s supposedly for player recruitment?
Wardles wage

Other money has gone on Watts, PM and upgrades

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Post by JSLisnotaprop » 06 Jan 2019, 13:14

fords wrote:
JSLisnotaprop wrote:
Easy Tiger 2 wrote:When will people understand we have spent our money!!!
What did we plan on using to pay for Sau & Ikahihfo?

Where’s the money from Webster, Jy & Springer gone?

When was the last time you saw the club say what they’ve spent the lottery money on that’s supposedly for player recruitment?
Wardles wage

Other money has gone on Watts, PM and upgrades
What upgrades :lol:

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Post by the machine » 06 Jan 2019, 13:48

JSLisnotaprop wrote:
fords wrote:
JSLisnotaprop wrote:
Easy Tiger 2 wrote:When will people understand we have spent our money!!!
What did we plan on using to pay for Sau & Ikahihfo?

Where’s the money from Webster, Jy & Springer gone?

When was the last time you saw the club say what they’ve spent the lottery money on that’s supposedly for player recruitment?
Wardles wage

Other money has gone on Watts, PM and upgrades
What upgrades :lol:
Contract upgrades obviously
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Post by Tinpottigers » 06 Jan 2019, 14:02

Fryston tiger, looks like you’ll be able to use your injury card in Feb this year
Should have Kept Jy

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Post by Fumper27 » 06 Jan 2019, 14:07

JSLisnotaprop wrote:
fords wrote:
JSLisnotaprop wrote:
Easy Tiger 2 wrote:When will people understand we have spent our money!!!
What did we plan on using to pay for Sau & Ikahihfo?

Where’s the money from Webster, Jy & Springer gone?

When was the last time you saw the club say what they’ve spent the lottery money on that’s supposedly for player recruitment?
Wardles wage

Other money has gone on Watts, PM and upgrades
What upgrades :lol:
Oli Holmes
Adam Milner
Jake Trueman
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Post by Fryston Tiger » 06 Jan 2019, 15:13

[quote="Tinpottigers"]Fryston tiger, looks like you’ll be able to use your injury card in Feb
What are you on about now tinpotsupporter?
Get a grip......

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Post by Easy Tiger 2 » 06 Jan 2019, 15:47

JSLisnotaprop wrote:
Easy Tiger 2 wrote:When will people understand we have spent our money!!!
What did we plan on using to pay for Sau & Ikahihfo?

Where’s the money from Webster, Jy & Springer gone?

When was the last time you saw the club say what they’ve spent the lottery money on that’s supposedly for player recruitment?
The money for Sau or Ikahihfo was going to come from Wardle I reckon but they haven’t been able to move him on

The right players have to be available we don’t wanna to sign players for the sake of it.I trust Daryl massively with his recruitment so if he feels the right players aren’t available I’m fine with that and maybe if there is any money available it can be used mid season like Peanut and Watts. I have my doubts as we resigned Milner,JSL and Trueman all on more money and probably more players last season also

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Post by Easy Tiger 2 » 06 Jan 2019, 15:52

Tinpottigers wrote:
Aid wrote:
Tinpottigers wrote:
Aid wrote:Is the 2019 squad really worse than that which we
started 2018 with? And, which despite a pretty
horrendous run of injuries got us into third?

2019 2018
1, matautia Roberts
2, Clare Minikin
3, manikin Webster
4, Shenton Shenton
5, Eden Eden
6, trueman Ellis
7, gale Gale
8, watts Moors
9, McShane Mcshane
10 millington Millington
11 Holmes Holmes
12 mcmeeken Mcmeeken
13 Milner. Milner
14, Massey Massey
15 Jesse Jesse
16 moors Wardle
17 foster Foster
18 cook Cook
19 Roberts Springer
20 Ellis Lo
21 Clark Trueman
22 wardle Green
23 Maher Clark
24 Aston Hitchcox
25 egodo Maher
26 gill Clare
27 turner Aston
28 peaches Gill
29 o’neil Douglas
30 storey O’neill
31 Carr

How can it be better when we haven’t signed anyone?

Last seasons recruitment was poor. The club then realised and signed 3 players mid season, then done some squad housekeeping which we all thought would make room for new players

How wrong were we
We HAVE signed Peanut and Watts! I am comparing the squads at the start of 2018 and what we have now. We have also seen Trueman and Clark blossom into quality players, and Turner show some real potential that could come good in 2019.
In the off season between 2017 and 2018 Sts signed no-one yet ended up on top of the pile. Moving forward and improving as a squad is not just about new signings.

Them two are 2018 squad members so should be added to your list. Also QLT.

As for saints, look at the difference in quality, they know how to recruit good players, not trawl players out the championship like we have. They were one lucky penalty away from going to the grand final in 2017. Complete then, we currently aren’t.
Where was Walmsley from?League below I believe

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Post by Casmoley » 06 Jan 2019, 15:55

St Helens in the last two years have signed James Bentley and Joe Batchelor both from league one clubs so better doing your research first....

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Post by Juscas » 06 Jan 2019, 16:00

Tinpottigers wrote:Fryston tiger, looks like you’ll be able to use your injury card in Feb this year
Bet you have a little peak on now at the thought of something going wrong for the club.some so called fan you are #pathetic

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Post by Fryston Tiger » 06 Jan 2019, 16:25

Juscas wrote:
Tinpottigers wrote:Fryston tiger, looks like you’ll be able to use your injury card in Feb this year
Bet you have a little peak on now at the thought of something going wrong for the club.some so called fan you are #pathetic
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Post by duke street 10 » 06 Jan 2019, 17:48

Juscas wrote:
Tinpottigers wrote:Fryston tiger, looks like you’ll be able to use your injury card in Feb this year
Bet you have a little peak on now at the thought of something going wrong for the club.some so called fan you are #pathetic
These "new posters" stand out a mile. This forum is the latest stop off point of the Troll tour.

Im guessing some of these newbies are the one's who argue at the drop of a hat over on rlfans, would resort to insults to fellow posters if they had a different point of view and claim to do all this "to defend their club"!

But yet use multiple user names on here and claim to be Cas fans. You are on the money F.T they are pathetic!

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Post by tigerfeat » 06 Jan 2019, 17:53

Wonder who the new name will be tonight :-k
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