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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 20 Dec 2018, 12:55

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alftupper wrote:Corbyn is a disgrace and how he can call anybody stupid is beyond me.

Careful CasRus, WF10 will be demanding to know why you are attacking a female black mp for lying to the police
Ooops ! yes I nearly forgot ! all these lefties like defending scummers as being victms ! Old Capper still hasn't responded to the question I posed on Brady/Hindley if it was his child which backed up your response! Funny that isn't it !
Apologies for not dancing to your tune.

On Brady in particular, towards the end of his life he was desperate to die and escape the system that had denied his freedom for so long. I'm not sure giving murderers what they want is an effective justice system but hey, at least you'd have had an excuse for killing someone.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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CasRus wrote:
alftupper wrote:Corbyn is a disgrace and how he can call anybody stupid is beyond me.

Careful CasRus, WF10 will be demanding to know why you are attacking a female black mp for lying to the police
Ooops ! yes I nearly forgot ! all these lefties like defending scummers as being victms ! Old Capper still hasn't responded to the question I posed on Brady/Hindley if it was his child which backed up your response! Funny that isn't it !
Apologies for not dancing to your tune.

On Brady in particular, towards the end of his life he was desperate to die and escape the system that had denied his freedom for so long. I'm not sure giving murderers what they want is an effective justice system but hey, at least you'd have had an excuse for killing someone.
even by Cappers standards his arguments are increasingly muddled and weak. He doesn’t want CP because it is inhumane but wants to lock them up for life because it may be crueler than the release of death. What about the 10 million quid it would have saved the tax payer. What about the mental cruelty he subjected the surviving family members to during the course of his miserable life, but hey the victims don’t matter in a looney lefty mindset

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 21 Dec 2018, 01:45

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CasRus wrote:
alftupper wrote:Corbyn is a disgrace and how he can call anybody stupid is beyond me.

Careful CasRus, WF10 will be demanding to know why you are attacking a female black mp for lying to the police
Ooops ! yes I nearly forgot ! all these lefties like defending scummers as being victms ! Old Capper still hasn't responded to the question I posed on Brady/Hindley if it was his child which backed up your response! Funny that isn't it !
Apologies for not dancing to your tune.

On Brady in particular, towards the end of his life he was desperate to die and escape the system that had denied his freedom for so long. I'm not sure giving murderers what they want is an effective justice system but hey, at least you'd have had an excuse for killing someone.
even by Cappers standards his arguments are increasingly muddled and weak. He doesn’t want CP because it is inhumane but wants to lock them up for life because it may be crueler than the release of death. What about the 10 million quid it would have saved the tax payer. What about the mental cruelty he subjected the surviving family members to during the course of his miserable life, but hey the victims don’t matter in a looney lefty mindset
Capper still refuses to answer the question of being put in a parents shoes and go through their misery so he hasn't got a scooby doo on how to answer from that standpoint as he has clearly dodged it altogether and his mixed up un-joined last response...….well try picking the bones out and understanding that ! I think he needs therapy !

What isn't the reason to think on common sense standpoint reasoning in getting rid of legally tried "caught stonecold" scum murderers instead of letting them wallow in prison costing £10 million quid for his evil preservation of life when this money could help in the NHS saving the many lives you could save with this money on good people's lives that are actually worth saving. Why oh Why ? Answer that ? Oh I forgot - you are a member of the Loony Left with no practical sense at all !

Capper, I am calling you out again as you seem to have no intentions of protecting the innocent and no thought process of how to stop the jails filling up costing billions and the justice system not being able to place more criminals deservedly requiring a jail sentence because of overcrowding and not able to dish out deserved lengthy sentences by the same token which all allows criminals to laugh in the face of justice.

Getting really tough is the only answer and that's across the board ! I rest my case !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 21 Dec 2018, 13:04

Typical right-wing, Daily Mail codswallop that genuinely doesn't deserve a response but just to clarify the position for the last time. I don't support capital punishment because:

• It is not a deterrent
• Taking someone else’s life makes you no better than other killers
• It does kill innocent people (which in turn)
• Completely removes the possibility of rectifying the error

However, locking them up for long periods can create the mental torture you refer to and therefore provides punishment but where we do get it wrong, the innocent can be released and suitably compensated. No justice system is 100% fool proof but some are better than others and I certainly do not have any compassion for the criminal.

As for putting myself in the shoes of a parent who's child has been murdered, only those that have can provide an accurate response to how it felt. Personally, it makes no difference to me if it's a child or otherwise as I would be equally pained at the loss of anyone close to me, be it my brother, daughter, wife, mother, best mate, etc. That's because, unlike the fascist right-wingers, I treat everybody equally.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 21 Dec 2018, 15:20

Flat Capper wrote:Typical right-wing, Daily Mail codswallop that genuinely doesn't deserve a response but just to clarify the position for the last time. I don't support capital punishment because:

• It is not a deterrent
• Taking someone else’s life makes you no better than other killers
• It does kill innocent people (which in turn)
• Completely removes the possibility of rectifying the error

However, locking them up for long periods can create the mental torture you refer to and therefore provides punishment but where we do get it wrong, the innocent can be released and suitably compensated. No justice system is 100% fool proof but some are better than others and I certainly do not have any compassion for the criminal.

As for putting myself in the shoes of a parent who's child has been murdered, only those that have can provide an accurate response to how it felt. Personally, it makes no difference to me if it's a child or otherwise as I would be equally pained at the loss of anyone close to me, be it my brother, daughter, wife, mother, best mate, etc. That's because, unlike the fascist right-wingers, I treat everybody equally.

Enjoy Christmas in the asylum fellas.

You didn't answer the question of locking up as an example Ian Brady costing £10 Million for no benefit or contribution to society and which you stated was eqully abhorrent to him so what's the point of this ! I would rather have the £10 Million quid used to save and improve a good number of innocent lives who would go on contributing to society. He took away lives so why should he not deserve the same ! If you do not fight against evil, evil will take advantage of good naturedness and proliferate like it is now doing so all what's in place now to deter criminality which you advocate is not stopping anything ! Am I right or am I wrong ! You lot would sit there when Rome is burning doing diddly squat ! The expression "Fight the Good Fight with all thy Might" has never been needed more in this day and age.


As for you saying that "only those that have had children murdered can provide an accurate response to how it felt" absolutely beggars belief ! The many programs of those parents being interviewed accurately explains how they felt as does any other parents who have lost kids ! Just look at the girl murdered in NZ last week and her dad on TV cut to pieces ! I just hope that your "apple of your eye child" never gets finished off in the same way as I wouldn't wish this on you but if it did, you would really know then how it would feel !

You my friend need to brush up on common sense and the many decent people around who should be looked after and. it's not the criminals I can assure you ! Just you keep patting criminals on the head, giving 3 square meals a day, TV and table tennis all day and would have society drowning in criminality and huge costs - that I can assure you also ! You need to be a REALIST instead of an ostrich burying your head in the sand and hope it all goes away ! IT AINT !

Merry Xmas by the Way !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 21 Dec 2018, 15:32

Just because you choose to ignore the answers doesn't mean they're not there so I suggest it is you who is burying their head and ignoring what is clearly in front of you.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 21 Dec 2018, 16:19

Flat Capper wrote:Just because you choose to ignore the answers doesn't mean they're not there so I suggest it is you who is burying their head and ignoring what is clearly in front of you.
To be Honest your answering is just like Corbyn's - vague, non commital, inaccurate and skirting the issues and not adressing directly as if there's some ulterior motives hidden away. If you were running the world with your outlook I wouldn't want to be in it ! Enough Said !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 22 Dec 2018, 18:30

Capper is an idiot, his answers are waffle and often aren’t even relevant to the argument so quite frankly CasRus it is a waste of time trying to engage with him. At least WF10 realised he was out of his depth and retired from this debate but the intellectually inferior of the two lefties chooses to plough on with his twaddle.

Also what is this obsession with the Daily Mail, personally I get most of my news from the BBC and again his ignorance and lack of knowledge shines through - that newspaper is a Remoaning propaganda rag why would a hard Brexiteer read that?

Keep on reading the Sport, Capper

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 22 Dec 2018, 19:18

alftupper wrote:Capper is an idiot, his answers are waffle and often aren’t even relevant to the argument so quite frankly CasRus it is a waste of time trying to engage with him. At least WF10 realised he was out of his depth and retired from this debate but the intellectually inferior of the two lefties chooses to plough on with his twaddle.

Also what is this obsession with the Daily Mail, personally I get most of my news from the BBC and again his ignorance and lack of knowledge shines through - that newspaper is a Remoaning propaganda rag why would a hard Brexiteer read that?

Keep on reading the Sport, Capper

Thanks Alf, I will take that on board regarding Capper as he is in cloud cuckoo-land and not realising the severity of how criminality is out of control and hasn't got the gumption to think it will take more drastic action across the board to stamp most of it out (I don't need to prove my case as it's already being proved by the police action with moped criminals which has dropped dramatically since the police resorted to drastic action tactics !).

By the way, I do buy the Daily Mail but just on a Saturday and mainly only for the weekly TV mag inside it however I noticed a major splurge on a horserace today and on a particular horse they were mega tipping - had a tenner each way and it came in at 16/1 so won £192 - Not bad for a Tory rag and I will be enjoying my winnings over Xmas ! That's the first bet I have had all year on the gee gees ! Must be an Omen - Stick with the Tories......ha ha!

Have a Great Xmas Alf, Capper and WF10 - shame we couldn't have an Xmas drink together - can you imagine the sparks flying...ha ha !! Would have been interesting though !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 22 Dec 2018, 20:30

Yes I considered suggesting my local Conservative Club but I’m not sure our two working class hero’s would have got through the door.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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alftupper wrote:Capper is an idiot, his answers are waffle and often aren’t even relevant to the argument so quite frankly CasRus it is a waste of time trying to engage with him. At least WF10 realised he was out of his depth and retired from this debate but the intellectually inferior of the two lefties chooses to plough on with his twaddle.

Also what is this obsession with the Daily Mail, personally I get most of my news from the BBC and again his ignorance and lack of knowledge shines through - that newspaper is a Remoaning propaganda rag why would a hard Brexiteer read that?

Keep on reading the Sport, Capper
:lol: :lol: There's no debate to be had about this, you clown!!

It's somehow gone from a discussion about the Met police being allowed to ram their cars into suspects on mopeds to you 2 muppets banging on about why we need to bring back the death penalty!!

A policy which, as far as I can tell, isn't even being considered at any level of government but was stated in a poll as something that a majority of leave voters would like to see re-introduced to post-Brexit UK (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 56791.html).

List included:
a return to dark blue passports
a return to imperial measurements
smoking to return to pubs and restaurants
a return to pre-decimal currency
a return to inefficient incandescent light bulbs

But ye, it's Jeremy Corbyn who is a dinosaur and lives in the past :roll:

Merry Christmas all.

Oh, and Rus Waiting Patiently in the King George at Kempton on Boxing Day.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 22 Dec 2018, 22:31

WF10 wrote:
alftupper wrote:Capper is an idiot, his answers are waffle and often aren’t even relevant to the argument so quite frankly CasRus it is a waste of time trying to engage with him. At least WF10 realised he was out of his depth and retired from this debate but the intellectually inferior of the two lefties chooses to plough on with his twaddle.

Also what is this obsession with the Daily Mail, personally I get most of my news from the BBC and again his ignorance and lack of knowledge shines through - that newspaper is a Remoaning propaganda rag why would a hard Brexiteer read that?

Keep on reading the Sport, Capper
:lol: :lol: There's no debate to be had about this, you clown!!

It's somehow gone from a discussion about the Met police being allowed to ram their cars into suspects on mopeds to you 2 muppets banging on about why we need to bring back the death penalty!!

A policy which, as far as I can tell, isn't even being considered at any level of government but was stated in a poll as something that a majority of leave voters would like to see re-introduced to post-Brexit UK (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 56791.html).

List included:
a return to dark blue passports
a return to imperial measurements
smoking to return to pubs and restaurants
a return to pre-decimal currency
a return to inefficient incandescent light bulbs

But ye, it's Jeremy Corbyn who is a dinosaur and lives in the past :roll:

Merry Christmas all.

Oh, and Rus Waiting Patiently in the King George at Kempton on Boxing Day.

Sorry Capper, I'm getting dragged down to Wales Kicking and Screaming to spend Xmas with the wife's relations so couldn't make Boxing Day !!

Wouldn't mind the blue passports again - they were distinct
No to pre decimal coinage, imperial measurements, incandescant light bulbs, smoking in social areas !!

Polls have suggested in the past that people would be in favour of bringing back the death penalty if there was a referendum on this and I think it would still be the case today. So, there must be a load of muppets out there then as your mention of me and Alf being in the Muppet squad ! You'll probably find yourself back in the minority on your thought processes as usual !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 23 Dec 2018, 11:10

OH MY GOD!!

The death penalty isn't a deterrent.

If it was, the homicide rate would be lower in States with the death penalty than those without - it isn't.

THE MURDER RATE IS HIGHER IN THE STATES WHERE MURDER IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.

Similarly, you brought up Saudi Arabia being a good example of a country with low crime. It may well be.

BUT THE MURDER RATE IN SAUDI ARABIA IS HIGHER THAN THE UK.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT COMMITTING MURDER IN SAUDI ARABIA IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH.

Hope you've got the point now!

Regardless, it's a moot point because the reintroduction of the death penalty isn't being remotely discussed at any level as a prospective policy.
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again I’m not sure you can compare death rates with other countries and cultures for instance in Pakistan ‘honour killings’ are a big part of their way of life although we have done our best to import this problem here. But deterrent or not it acts as a great punishment and could potentially save the taxpayer £100’s millions. I know public spending savings doesn’t really register with you spendthrift socialists but it does with me.

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Post by WF10 » 23 Dec 2018, 15:07

Saving lives > saving money.

In my humble opinion, like.

Again, Rus assumed that the murder rate in Saudi Arabia is lower than in the UK. He was wrong. It's higher. Despite the fact that in Saudi Arabia the crime of murder is punishable by death.

That's why Saudi Arabia is mentioned.

I'm unclear why you've brought Pakistan up?
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 23 Dec 2018, 15:55

WF10 wrote: I'm unclear why you've brought Pakistan up?
To illustrate why you shouldn’t really compare murder rates in differing countries because their different cultures and customs mean they have naturally higher murder rates

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CasRus wrote:
Flat Capper wrote:
CasRus wrote: So you don't think Capital Punishment, Chain gangs harsher sentences would stop the level of murders, stabbings, drug running etc etc ??????
You need to climb back in your box for dumbos and go back to sleep !
alftupper wrote: Just reading about the recent case in America where the bloke killed his wife and two little girls then dumbed them in a tank of oil like rubbish. He then tried to blame the wife he murdered. These are the type of people Capper and his kind have empathy with. What a warped mind.
alftupper wrote: not really it’s just that your posts are incoherent. Several times on this topic you have written one thing only to later try to wheedle your way out of it just like in this instance. I said it is good to terminate a murderer, you said that means ‘the innocent are killed on both sides’
very hard to follow your gibberish Capper
Just to clear things up for you idiots, I do not empathise with murderers; I want them dealt with through a judicial system that is fair and which supports victims but punishes the guilty. In the case of capital punishment, you have already acknowledged that killing the odd innocent individual, wrongly convicted, is a price worth paying. This view disgusts me and every other right minded human being. It must take a truly warped mind to believe in this system.
On capital punishment itself, there is no evidence to support the claim that it acts as a deterrent and is therefore neither use nor ornament. It simply cannot be justified for the reason above.

I would actually like to see a system where convicted murderers are kept in prisons that are not plushy hotels, with many luxuries the majority cannot afford. I want difficult conditions that create misery for the rest of their God forsaken lives. Where wrong convictions are exposed, the ‘victims’ can then be adequately compensated for their incorrect suffering.
So Capper, answer this, what was the point of incarcerating Ian Brady and Myrah Hindley for all thise years costing millions of pounds to the taxpayer with no worth to society anymore when they had clearly murdered those youngsters and left grieving families with one body never ever found and his mother died grieving after many years of grief !? Reading your response to me, your suggestion is to make an adequate compensation to the grieivng families which is what ? Monetary I take it to be what you mean ! Well let me tell you that no money in the world would be enough to compensate their loss of their children and to think that s an astonishing affront ! Don't you think that the millions of pounds it cost to keep them in ail would have been better spent in the NHS saving innocent lives and helping crippled kids ? I do ! Your thinking is totally flawed !

In answer to your question on being disgusted, I already said DNA advancements is virtually foolproof and like I also said, nothing is totally foolproof, but you line up harsher deterrants and methods and you will see the crime rate drop - just like the police knocking scumbags off mopeds that has dropped this type of crime already by 30%. Better to save many murders going on by CP deterrant and yes there can be an odd mishap but look how many lives this deterrant would help not being wiped out and leave families grieving for the rest of their lives. It's a price worth paying for the risk of accidentally hanging an innocent - and by the way that should only happen if it's beyond doubt proved by DNA I would say. If you don't think CP is a deterrant, go look at Saudi Arabia's murder figures with the beheading deterrant per capita, it's minimal and only a handful !! So don't think CP is a deterrant then think again, because it is !
For the God-knows-how-many-th time.

Your buddy Rus encouraged me to "look at Saudi Arabia's murder figures" assuming it would be "minimal and only a handful !!"

It's actually higher than the UK (per 100,000 inhabitants).

So you'll need to ask him why he wanted to compare the murder rates in the UK with Saudi Arabia. Not me.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 02 Jan 2019, 13:53

Well I've been away over the Christmas break but certainly haven't missed the codswollop on here.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 11 Jan 2019, 19:12

Sick to death of all the bleating regarding universal credit. Just watching a news report brought it home to me, some woman moaning about it as she scrolled through her phone which showed monthly payments of around £1,200!

As someone who’s never claimed a penny in benefit I don’t think my personal pride would allow me to. These people should be grateful that they live a taxpayer funded lifestyle. Infuriating.

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 14 Jan 2019, 12:45

OK.

Bit weird 8-[
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