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Post by Hepworth7 » 06 Oct 2018, 20:51

A disappointing performance for me,too many players well below par and we lacked pace and guile to trouble an organised Wigan side. Gale seemed to be on one from the start and was lucky not to end up in the bin,and his kicking game was completely awol,while Milner was a shadow of the player he is. Only positives for me were the defence which is the only reason we kept the score so close but even then we never looked like winning. And without a shadow of doubt Peter Mata'uita who was head and shoulders the stand out. I still have complete faith in DP but he needs the backing of the board to get the tools he needs to do the job, I agree with other that the pack needs strengthening and the centre/wing positions need to be refreshed and genuine pace adding if we are to remain competitive. The rest of the top four improved massively from 2017 to 2018 and have already bolstered their squad for next season. We either do the same and compete or accept the inevitable downward slide.

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Post by old cas lass » 06 Oct 2018, 20:52

alftupper wrote:
old cas lass wrote:I think a few were patched up yesterday.
Shenton, gale, Holmes, Jesse.
its the end of s long season, do you think all the Wigan players were 100%?
Possibly. I was just referring to our players.

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Post by Hepworth7 » 06 Oct 2018, 20:54

Outlaw13 wrote:For me Luke Gale has to take most of the blame for the performance last night. Unfortunately he lacks the emotional maturity to handle big games. Last night rather than guiding his players he spent way too much time arguing with the referee and getting drawn into scuffles. He was very close to being binned at one point.
I think we would have done better without him.
Yup!

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Post by Swagger » 06 Oct 2018, 21:39

Hepworth7 wrote:
Outlaw13 wrote:For me Luke Gale has to take most of the blame for the performance last night. Unfortunately he lacks the emotional maturity to handle big games. Last night rather than guiding his players he spent way too much time arguing with the referee and getting drawn into scuffles. He was very close to being binned at one point.
I think we would have done better without him.
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Disagree. All the best teams have that 1 player who runs to ref to ask for decisions etc.... When a decision went against us whether it be Gale or another player Gale would ask why.... Shenton would just sit back. There was a decision in second half that Thaler got wrong. (can't remember which but it was close to their try line) Gale asked the question while Shenton sat back. Our Captain should be questioning decisions but Shenton does non of that. Gale should be captain for me giving him the right to speak to the ref.

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Post by ERG2012 » 07 Oct 2018, 13:30

tigerfeat wrote:The mental toughness should come from people calling you a choker and not wanting to go through the same again next time your in a big match if you don't have that inside you no guru or navy assault course is going to put it there
They won't get it taking selfies and playing fortnite either.
Taking folk out of their usual familiar "comfort zone" and placing them under unconventional stressful situations when fatigued and tired takes you to different places mentally/physically/emotionally. After all the first elements of interrogation are sleep derivation and high levels of fatigue.

DP is a super coach and nobody can argue at that
However our biggest problem is between the ears and the players mindset. That's what let's us down it's proven and becoming a bad trait - that's why specialist/specific professionals take over to develop those skills DP or anyone at the club does not have the ability to develop and provide.

Until you experience being under extreme high stress scenarios you have no experience of them. Once you are, you then reevaluate your thought process, learn, and tolerate then you start to adjust and cope Psychologically Physically and Emotionally.
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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by tigerfeat » 07 Oct 2018, 13:35

No I agree think it would a few of em a lot of good
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Post by flow » 07 Oct 2018, 13:35

ERG2012 wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:The mental toughness should come from people calling you a choker and not wanting to go through the same again next time your in a big match if you don't have that inside you no guru or navy assault course is going to put it there
They won't get it taking selfies and playing fortnite either.
Taking folk out of their usual familiar "comfort zone" and placing them under unconventional stressful situations when fatigued and tired takes you to different places mentally/physically/emotionally. After all the first elements of interrogation is Sleep derivation and high levels of fatigue.

DP is a super coach and nobody can argue at that
However our biggest problem is between the ears and the players mindset. That's what let's us down it's proven and becoming a bad trait - that's why specialist/specific professionals take over to develop those skills DP or anyone at the club have the ability to develop and provide.

Until you experience being under high stress scenarios who have no experience of it and the more you are in those positions then you will adapt to cope Psychologically Physically and Emotionally.
what a load off rubbish simply want good enough no quack doctor can improve that need players who are

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Post by Mysterio » 07 Oct 2018, 14:32

There’s absolutely no drama IMO.

All groups of men who win things ultimately have a rocky road getting there. Look at Saints for example, they’ll win something in the next 3 yrs. no reason why we can’t too.

We just need to remain calm and focused, and refocus then upon what will strengthen us further

We may have to do a bit of wheeler dealing. Who knows; roberts might have to be offered about to free up space. As a wild example, mcmeeken may need to be swapped for a Tom Lineham. Springer swapped for kopzcak. Those types of things.
Alongside maybe considering a marquee signing, I said consider.
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Post by ERG2012 » 07 Oct 2018, 14:41

Mysterio wrote:There’s absolutely no drama IMO.

All groups of men who win things ultimately have a rocky road getting there. Look at Saints for example, they’ll win something in the next 3 yrs. no reason why we can’t too.

We just need to remain calm and focused, and refocus then upon what will strengthen us further

We may have to do a bit of wheeler dealing. Who knows; roberts might have to be offered about to free up space. As a wild example, mcmeeken may need to be swapped for a Tom Lineham. Springer swapped for kopzcak. Those types of things.
Alongside maybe considering a marquee signing, I said consider.
I said something similar to a mate on WhatsApp yesterday.
Though I did say certain individuals need to be sat down, made aware of the direction the club need to go and "managed accordingly"

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Post by Mysterio » 07 Oct 2018, 14:53

Indeed. I would concur. I do know for a fact certain Directors can do that too alongside the operational team.
We’re in a good healthy place. It’s exciting!
I think Daryl will know we need that extra bit of quality, and we all know were being run correctly.
The only thing I fear is us not spending.....I just have a funny feeling we won’t, despite showing we are willing to....don’t ask me why lol.
It doesn’t help with Mitch Clark’s dad tryin boosting his lads value on FB; he’ll want an improved deal soon.
Time for wheeler dealer ing. McShane esque. Wellsi is the man...
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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by duke street 10 » 07 Oct 2018, 16:51

ERG2012 wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:The mental toughness should come from people calling you a choker and not wanting to go through the same again next time your in a big match if you don't have that inside you no guru or navy assault course is going to put it there
They won't get it taking selfies and playing fortnite either.
Taking folk out of their usual familiar "comfort zone" and placing them under unconventional stressful situations when fatigued and tired takes you to different places mentally/physically/emotionally. After all the first elements of interrogation are sleep derivation and high levels of fatigue.

DP is a super coach and nobody can argue at that
However our biggest problem is between the ears and the players mindset. That's what let's us down it's proven and becoming a bad trait - that's why specialist/specific professionals take over to develop those skills DP or anyone at the club does not have the ability to develop and provide.

Until you experience being under extreme high stress scenarios you have no experience of them. Once you are, you then reevaluate your thought process, learn, and tolerate then you start to adjust and cope Psychologically Physically and Emotionally.
I was told a story by someone who serves in the Police,but was very vague in his actual job title as it was linked to Homeland security.
He and his "team" went on a weeks operational training somewhere in the UK with two current serving S.A.S solders. By the end of the week he and his team were in awe with how mentally strong,completely committed,dogged yet calm in everything the guys from the S.A.S did.

By the sounds of it they weren't the biggest guys on the course...looked like "average Joes" , they both propped up the hotel bar every night and had very little sleep, but when there was tasks to be done the following days they were on it.

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Post by gateman » 07 Oct 2018, 23:34

today I was fortunate enough to attend the Cas EX players association dinner , have a talk to the people who have put a CAS shirt on nearly to a man they will tell you who is the best coach in super league most of you are like me think we know the game would I swap DP for any other coach not bloody likely

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Post by vandeveldtsbaldhead » 08 Oct 2018, 10:16

DP, has done a great job, he admitted team didnt have the big game mentality, I thought we would have learnet from the defeat to Leeds in GF last year, but apparently not.
The team we have is OK, but definately needs strengthening in certain positions.
We need two centres, someone like Bryson Goodwin, strong and powerful runner. Shenton has served us well, but his time is over. I think we are Ok with wingmen, Eden, Minikin, Clare, Gill
We need a second row forward who can break tackles and create space. When did we last have a second row forward who did that, we rarely break a tackle. McMeeken and Holmes ,Jesse, and Cook are solid enough, but havent got that special edge that we need, someone to break tackles and create 30 or 40 yards.
Overall the season has been a success considering the injuries we have had.
The "never winning at St Helens" is another thing they must address, perhaps a psychologist for an hour may help, it must be in the mind, 28 years since a league win, 26 years with a win at all.

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Post by heritage1926 » 08 Oct 2018, 10:19

A question for those who think Powell has taken us as far as he can.. who comes in and takes us that one step further then?

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Post by tigerfeat » 08 Oct 2018, 10:34

powell has put his hand up and said we dont have the big game mentality not tough enough in the mental department my moneys on him to put that right
if he did leave everybody would be praying for him to come back in a very short space of time
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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by flow » 08 Oct 2018, 10:48

tigerfeat wrote:powell has put his hand up and said we dont have the big game mentality not tough enough in the mental department my moneys on him to put that right
if he did leave everybody would be praying for him to come back in a very short space of time
Just being talking to harded fev fan who said he was a great coach till came to big games starts over thinking tactics in stead keeping playing ow being all year maybe some thing in that comment

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Post by Mysterio » 08 Oct 2018, 10:52

Pre season will hopefully bring about variation to our attacking play now.
The arcing fullback overlap run has its place but can no longer be relied upon to win games with,
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Re: Daryl Powell

Post by tigerfeat » 08 Oct 2018, 10:54

i think hes a good bloke done a unbelievable job like everybody made one or two mistakes and been let down by some of his players when its mattered most in my opinion
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Post by old cas lass » 08 Oct 2018, 10:56

Mysterio wrote:Pre season will hopefully bring about variation to our attacking play now.
The arcing fullback overlap run has its place but can no longer be relied upon to win games with,
The reason that asnt work this year is the swapping and changing of fullbacks through the season. We never got any consistency.
With a full presonson under his belt I think peter matautia will fill that roll and move.
Saw it a few times in the 8’s.

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Post by tigerfeat » 08 Oct 2018, 10:59

i heard jon wells say last night he knew toronto had some good players lined up if they had beat london and got into super league wonder if he going to give any of em a ring this morning ha
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