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Post by cogito ergo sum » 03 Jan 2018, 19:16

TT Tiger wrote:Ryan Bailey has had his ban overturned
Too thick to get the needle in!

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Post by tigerfeat » 03 Jan 2018, 19:48

Jake livermore who was in the headlines last night after some idiot made a shocking remark to him is a interesting case where mitigating circumstancee led to a drugs ban not being sancitoned
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Post by nottinghamtiger » 03 Jan 2018, 20:16

tigerfeat wrote:Jake livermore who was in the headlines last night after some idiot made a shocking remark to him is a interesting case where mitigating circumstancee led to a drugs ban not being sancitoned
In Jake Livermore’s case, he had clear evidence of severe depression and mental health difficulties due to the death of his child 12 months before his positive test.
He took cocaine immediately following the inquest that found the death of his child was avoidable.

Unless there is something we don’t know about, Zak’s case isn’t comparable.

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Post by Casmoley » 03 Jan 2018, 20:26

nottinghamtiger wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:Jake livermore who was in the headlines last night after some idiot made a shocking remark to him is a interesting case where mitigating circumstancee led to a drugs ban not being sancitoned
In Jake Livermore’s case, he had clear evidence of severe depression and mental health difficulties due to the death of his child 12 months before his positive test.
He took cocaine immediately following the inquest that found the death of his child was avoidable.

Unless there is something we don’t know about, Zak’s case isn’t comparable.

Zak has had personal issues, but this was a issue that lead to him leaving Leeds. It's not something I'd want to happen to anyone. No excuse for what he did over a year later though.

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Post by nottinghamtiger » 03 Jan 2018, 20:31

Casmoley wrote:
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tigerfeat wrote:Jake livermore who was in the headlines last night after some idiot made a shocking remark to him is a interesting case where mitigating circumstancee led to a drugs ban not being sancitoned
In Jake Livermore’s case, he had clear evidence of severe depression and mental health difficulties due to the death of his child 12 months before his positive test.
He took cocaine immediately following the inquest that found the death of his child was avoidable.

Unless there is something we don’t know about, Zak’s case isn’t comparable.

Zak has had personal issues, but this was a issue that lead to him leaving Leeds. It's not something I'd want to happen to anyone. No excuse for what he did over a year later though.
If he’d tested positive in the immediately following this issue he may have had an argument. But as you say, not over a year later.
He’s more likely to get off like Bailey.

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Post by tigerfeat » 03 Jan 2018, 20:31

I know all about the jake livermore case tragic one it was indeed im saying if a ban is immopsed on hardaker there will be a appeal citing mitigating circumstances im not judge and jury just telling you what will happen
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Post by gateman » 03 Jan 2018, 21:09

Can anyone shed any light on why it is taking so long before ZAK is in front of the powers that be ?? It seems ages since Walker from Wakefield was tested positive he as not been up as yet, It seems far from fare to keep the defendants and every other person with a vested interest waiting

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gateman wrote:Can anyone shed any light on why it is taking so long before ZAK is in front of the powers that be ?? It seems ages since Walker from Wakefield was tested positive he as not been up as yet, It seems far from fare to keep the defendants and every other person with a vested interest waiting
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Post by gateman » 03 Jan 2018, 21:54

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gateman wrote:Can anyone shed any light on why it is taking so long before ZAK is in front of the powers that be ?? It seems ages since Walker from Wakefield was tested positive he as not been up as yet, It seems far from fare to keep the defendants and every other person with a vested interest waiting
You need a hobby lol


We'll find out when we find out
accept my apologies matey for asking a question it was not meant to upset anyone

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gateman wrote:
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gateman wrote:Can anyone shed any light on why it is taking so long before ZAK is in front of the powers that be ?? It seems ages since Walker from Wakefield was tested positive he as not been up as yet, It seems far from fare to keep the defendants and every other person with a vested interest waiting
You need a hobby lol


We'll find out when we find out
accept my apologies matey for asking a question it was not meant to upset anyone
You've certainly not upset anyone let alone me don't worry about that lol

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Post by brodie123 » 03 Jan 2018, 22:22

Zac will get two years. It's alledged he had the same issues at Leeds, they can take their time to disclose the punishment, simply he's not going anywhere shortly. Why would the best full back in RL leave the most successful club in super league the best supported club in super league where the supporters idolised him unless he did something wrong, why have we got to give him another chance, he will not learn . The only defence he has is that he is stupid and thinks he won't get caught until the next time. He had more written warnings at Leeds than anyone else at the club. The guy doesn't learn he has nothing between his ears. No sympathy for anyone taking drugs, he should be kicked out of the club as an example to young kids that drugs don't belong in our sport.
Ryan Bailey totally different he was given bottles of water with the seal broken, would you drink water from bottles with seals broken, he took another test a couple of days later and they was clear. A drug cheat would have failed his second test.
The footballer total different story yes he got away with it but would be banned if caught a second time, Zac did not have any of these issues so let's not assume he did. Zac should be sacked and he needs to get a proper job like the rest of us and learn that you should never kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

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Post by Casmoley » 03 Jan 2018, 22:50

brodie123 wrote:Zac will get two years. It's alledged he had the same issues at Leeds, they can take their time to disclose the punishment, simply he's not going anywhere shortly. Why would the best full back in RL leave the most successful club in super league the best supported club in super league where the supporters idolised him unless he did something wrong, why have we got to give him another chance, he will not learn . The only defence he has is that he is stupid and thinks he won't get caught until the next time. He had more written warnings at Leeds than anyone else at the club. The guy doesn't learn he has nothing between his ears. No sympathy for anyone taking drugs, he should be kicked out of the club as an example to young kids that drugs don't belong in our sport.
Ryan Bailey totally different he was given bottles of water with the seal broken, would you drink water from bottles with seals broken, he took another test a couple of days later and they was clear. A drug cheat would have failed his second test.
The footballer total different story yes he got away with it but would be banned if caught a second time, Zac did not have any of these issues so let's not assume he did. Zac should be sacked and he needs to get a proper job like the rest of us and learn that you should never kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
he left Leeds to get away from personal life in England. I won't post details on here and I'm not defending what he has done at Cas as it's peed me off also. He mentioned in His interview pre season with Eddie the reasoning. Look back for it if you want but I'm sure any one of us wouldn't deal with the news he got well.

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Post by old cas lass » 03 Jan 2018, 23:06

Casmoley wrote:
brodie123 wrote:Zac will get two years. It's alledged he had the same issues at Leeds, they can take their time to disclose the punishment, simply he's not going anywhere shortly. Why would the best full back in RL leave the most successful club in super league the best supported club in super league where the supporters idolised him unless he did something wrong, why have we got to give him another chance, he will not learn . The only defence he has is that he is stupid and thinks he won't get caught until the next time. He had more written warnings at Leeds than anyone else at the club. The guy doesn't learn he has nothing between his ears. No sympathy for anyone taking drugs, he should be kicked out of the club as an example to young kids that drugs don't belong in our sport.
Ryan Bailey totally different he was given bottles of water with the seal broken, would you drink water from bottles with seals broken, he took another test a couple of days later and they was clear. A drug cheat would have failed his second test.
The footballer total different story yes he got away with it but would be banned if caught a second time, Zac did not have any of these issues so let's not assume he did. Zac should be sacked and he needs to get a proper job like the rest of us and learn that you should never kill the goose that lays the golden egg.
he left Leeds to get away from personal life in England. I won't post details on here and I'm not defending what he has done at Cas as it's peed me off also. He mentioned in His interview pre season with Eddie the reasoning. Look back for it if you want but I'm sure any one of us wouldn't deal with the news he got well.
Thing his he’s back with that same person.

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Post by Casmoley » 03 Jan 2018, 23:30

he is indeed.

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Post by princeka01 » 04 Jan 2018, 09:49

I am getting bored of the Zak chat on if he should go or stay etc.., i for one have no sympathy at all... its laughable that people say "he needs help" ... fact is he doesn't.. hes a young lad that goes out all the time gets drunk with mates outside of rugby etc ...he shares everything he does on social media and you have to be an idiot to not tell the difference between he enjoys a drink and going out all the time to he needs help...

A lot of fans are happy to welcome him back with open arms and say ' well we all make mistakes' ...
In the real world that doesn't happen in my job i get random tests i know the severity of what would happen if i was to take a banned substance... In the real world i would not get a second chance and would get laughed at if i said 'im sorry its a mistake' .... no matter what state you get in you are still in control and you know what you are doing and what consequences there are... its like cheating .. people say its a mistake but they know what they are doing and take the risk.

For me as a club get rid move on because we have fallen for the im sorry i will not do it again with previous players and as a result suffered..

30+ other squad members know the rules its not hard... take his contract and give it to someone who takes the job serious and wants to play for the badge

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Post by tigerfeat » 04 Jan 2018, 09:56

Im trying to understand the ryan bailey one looks like he got off because he said he was too depressed to take the test
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Post by viva brad » 04 Jan 2018, 11:07

tigerfeat wrote:Im trying to understand the ryan bailey one looks like he got off because he said he was too depressed to take the test
Bailey has claimed that the water bottles provided by the drug testing official weren’t properly sealed and therefore could have been contaminated

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Post by InTheKnow » 05 Jan 2018, 21:16

tigerfeat wrote:Im trying to understand the ryan bailey one looks like he got off because he said he was too depressed to take the test
Contaminated water. Refused to take the test on them grounds and won the battle.

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Post by nottinghamtiger » 05 Jan 2018, 21:47

tigerfeat wrote:Im trying to understand the ryan bailey one looks like he got off because he said he was too depressed to take the test
Bailey’s test seems to have been a shambles with lots of procedural errors. For example, the initial contact as Bailey left the training field did not follow proper procedure, Bailey was not shown the required documentation before drinking the water provided by the Doping Officer, the Doping Officer did not ensure that there was a suitable environment for the test to take place and the water provided, which was meant to be supervised by both Doping officers at all times, was left for a significant time with only one of them.
I suspect the individuals concerned no longer undertake drug testing!

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Post by JIN JER » 06 Jan 2018, 12:15

Just out of interest why did Bailey have to drink water, can't he relieve himself without having a drink? Or would he be dehydrated after playing?
I'm pretty sure I've read in the past of players waiting hours in the changing rooms to fill a bottle.
Looks like Bailey dodged a bullet there.

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