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by mart0042 » 19 Dec 2017, 14:15
JIN JER wrote:mart0042 wrote:It would cost them a few quid. A player on a long contract. Depending on his Cas deal with him, he may want to get it off the area.
Personally I wouldn't have thought he'd be leaving until we know what's happening.
Why do you think "he'd cost them a few quid"? If Cas terminate his contract he'll immediately become a free agent I'd assume. I did mention this the other day, Cas are in an unenviable position.
If cas terminated his contract, then of course he's free to go elsewhere, but I can't recall Cas saying that's what they've done.
But if things are at the same point we think, then we'd have to sell him or give him away.
It would seem that at cas we would want to take the higher moral ground but since no one else does, why should we?
If a ban is known, then we'll know how much playing contract we've got, that's if the non playing counts towards it or will he still have 4 years left.
So all ifs and buts.
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by the machine » 19 Dec 2017, 14:17
Let's be honest without him we probably wouldn't have won the LLS and the 100k prize that comes with it so I'm reality we've lost 50k from his fee
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by yorky » 19 Dec 2017, 17:23
not forgetting the 150k we got for solomona who i assume cost us nowt from london, which may have been used to buy zak?
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by Le Van » 19 Dec 2017, 17:38
I think a lot of the outcome will depend on how repentant Zak really is.
Will he be aware of how many people he let down and settle for a reduced contract with us or will he demand a big signing on fee and matching contract with a richer club like Wigan for example.
Don't forget no one will know how good he'll be in 2 years time.
Will it be a bigger gamble than signing him in the first place?
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by muckymunksy » 19 Dec 2017, 18:32
Hes been given a 2 year ban which he and the club have appealed
Direct from Zaks cousin who i work with
He hasn't been released at the moment
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by dancas88 » 19 Dec 2017, 18:47
While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
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by the machine » 19 Dec 2017, 18:50
muckymunksy wrote:Hes been given a 2 year ban which he and the club have appealed
Direct from Zaks cousin who i work with
He hasn't been released at the moment
Why would he appeal when he admitted guilt in his press release?
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by fords » 19 Dec 2017, 18:54
muckymunksy wrote:Hes been given a 2 year ban which he and the club have appealed
Direct from Zaks cousin who i work with
He hasn't been released at the moment
Appealing what? You either took it or you didnt.
Can only imagine they are trying to appeal it was out of competition
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by muckymunksy » 19 Dec 2017, 18:57
Just what iv been told
Direct from is Grandad to my mate
Not sure why they have appealed
Not ere to cause an argument just what he as said
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by JIN JER » 19 Dec 2017, 19:01
the machine wrote:muckymunksy wrote:Hes been given a 2 year ban which he and the club have appealed
Direct from Zaks cousin who i work with
He hasn't been released at the moment
Why would he appeal when he admitted guilt in his press release?
It could be that he's appealing the severity of the ban?
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by Dez » 19 Dec 2017, 19:28
dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
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by Goat's Toe » 19 Dec 2017, 20:03
There's a section in the RFL's operational rules that explains that if a player owns up immediately after notification by UKAD of an adverse test result then his ban can commence retrospectively from the date the sample was taken (page 212 or the following ones). I'm assuming this is what he opted to do.
As for going to play union, that won't be an option as that sport also supports the WADA code.
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by fords » 19 Dec 2017, 20:15
Dez wrote:dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
No we wont. He is in breach of his contract. He bills are not castigers problem.
He cant play any sport its a worldwide ban.
So its a normal job for 2yrs paid whatever he can get then either back to Cas or someone else if we decided to terminate his contract.
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by tigerfeat » 19 Dec 2017, 20:24
I believe wigan were willing to pay him are willing to pay him something till such times as his ban will be over but obviously if cas dont want him to leave that makes no odds
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by fords » 19 Dec 2017, 20:29
tigerfeat wrote:I believe wigan were willing to pay him are willing to pay him something till such times as his ban will be over but obviously if cas dont want him to leave that makes no odds
They can be willing to do whatever they want makes no odds. He is contracted to Cas until 2021. Nothing will change unless we either sell him or terminate his contract.
If he stays all that will happen is he cant play until 2020.
Plus wigan wont have the cap space unless they pay him say 15k a year or somat daft for 2yrs just so they hold his registration and then bump it up after his ban.
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by fords » 19 Dec 2017, 20:33
tigerfeat wrote:I believe wigan were willing to pay him are willing to pay him something till such times as his ban will be over but obviously if cas dont want him to leave that makes no odds
It may come down to something like cas want him to stay but wont pay him or will pay minimum wage whilst he is banned but wigan will pay more during his ban. He may want to leave for the cash.
If he had half an ounce of remorce he would want to stay and try and put things right and win us the title.
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by Dez » 19 Dec 2017, 20:34
fords wrote:Dez wrote:dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
No we wont. He is in breach of his contract. He bills are not castigers problem.
He cant play any sport its a worldwide ban.
So its a normal job for 2yrs paid whatever he can get then either back to Cas or someone else if we decided to terminate his contract.
It would be called restraint of trade . Also would you seriously think he will come back and play for us when we've turned our backs on him . Thanks for not supporting me the last two years can I still play for you "Yeah right ". That's 150k down the drain
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by tigerfeat » 19 Dec 2017, 20:42
fords wrote:tigerfeat wrote:I believe wigan were willing to pay him are willing to pay him something till such times as his ban will be over but obviously if cas dont want him to leave that makes no odds
They can be willing to do whatever they want makes no odds. He is contracted to Cas until 2021. Nothing will change unless we either sell him or terminate his contract.
If he stays all that will happen is he cant play until 2020.
Plus wigan wont have the cap space unless they pay him say 15k a year or somat daft for 2yrs just so they hold his registration and then bump it up after his ban.
I think he does want to stay at cas mate for a start off he hates one of the well known pie eaters obviously all up in the air i cant imagine wigan would pay a lot for the time hes not playing anyway
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by dancas88 » 19 Dec 2017, 20:45
Dez wrote:fords wrote:Dez wrote:dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
No we wont. He is in breach of his contract. He bills are not castigers problem.
He cant play any sport its a worldwide ban.
So its a normal job for 2yrs paid whatever he can get then either back to Cas or someone else if we decided to terminate his contract.
It would be called restraint of trade . Also would you seriously think he will come back and play for us when we've turned our backs on him . Thanks for not supporting me the last two years can I still play for you "Yeah right ". That's 150k down the drain
How can it be restraint of trade when he is banned from his trade? He can still get another job which apparently the club were helping him with
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by Aid » 19 Dec 2017, 23:00
Dez wrote:fords wrote:Dez wrote:dancas88 wrote:While ever Zak is banned we don’t have to pay him as he has breached his contract. He has a contract with us till the end of 2021 so that is when his contract will expire no matter what the length of the ban. Unless we either renew it or terminate it. For me we should keep him he’s the best full back in this country and we wouldn’t have achieved what we did last year without him I don’t think. Last year alone he was worth his 150k fee imo
Of course we will have to pay him If we keep him . You can't just stop his pay what about his mortgage and bills . What's he live on for two years bread and water. I think you would find he would just go abroad and play rugby union. He's done wrong granted but he's no papilian
No we wont. He is in breach of his contract. He bills are not castigers problem.
He cant play any sport its a worldwide ban.
So its a normal job for 2yrs paid whatever he can get then either back to Cas or someone else if we decided to terminate his contract.
It would be called restraint of trade . Also would you seriously think he will come back and play for us when we've turned our backs on him . Thanks for not supporting me the last two years can I still play for you "Yeah right ". That's 150k down the drain
The only RESTRAINT OF TRADE is that Hardaker will be banned from all sports throughout most of the known world. Cas are NOT stopping him plying any trade he likes, including playing rugby league. His own crass stupidity is - he choose to snort coke. And if he does not want to play for Cas when his ban is up, fine, all he has to do is buy out his RL registration or get another club to do so.
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