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Re: can England do it

Post by the machine » 27 Nov 2017, 17:41

mart0042 wrote:
takethetwo wrote:If only we had Shenton and Hardaker in the team, our attack would improve ten fold.
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Re: can England do it

Post by takethetwo » 27 Nov 2017, 17:59

He's done very well, but the natural instinct is there with Zak. Gale could play his own way because he knows Zak is there for whatever pass he gives. At the minute Gale tries to take the line on and he's got a centre who doesn't know his job and a winger with no pace. Everyone bagging Gale for not turning up in the World Cup needs to look at what he's having to working with.

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Post by old cas lass » 27 Nov 2017, 18:24

takethetwo wrote:He's done very well, but the natural instinct is there with Zak. Gale could play his own way because he knows Zak is there for whatever pass he gives. At the minute Gale tries to take the line on and he's got a centre who doesn't know his job and a winger with no pace. Everyone bagging Gale for not turning up in the World Cup needs to look at what he's having to working with.

Well he won’t have Zak at the side of him next year so he’ll have to get used it and change the way he plays.
I’m sure DP will change it.

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Post by fast hands » 27 Nov 2017, 20:40

takethetwo wrote:If only we had Shenton and Hardaker in the team, our attack would improve ten fold.

Shenny was given the choice to go on tour or play in Grand Final, all because of the injury he sustained prior to end of season. Mike had the chance to let his injury heal and go to Australia, but decided to play in the final, even though not fit.

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Post by Tamworth Tiger » 27 Nov 2017, 21:03

fast hands wrote:
takethetwo wrote:If only we had Shenton and Hardaker in the team, our attack would improve ten fold.

Shenny was given the choice to go on tour or play in Grand Final, all because of the injury he sustained prior to end of season. Mike had the chance to let his injury heal and go to Australia, but decided to play in the final, even though not fit.
Is that official or rumour? I just think that if true it's a shame fans weren't told and can't see why it would be kept secret

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Post by Ladytiger » 27 Nov 2017, 22:19

I agree with you Tamworth tiger why would that be kept a secret. If true he chose to play for his club much respect but an unfit Shenton would be better than Bateman I feel so sorry for Percival the lads a natural centre but still we insist playing a forward out of position going into a world club final .. would the Aussies do this I think not

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Post by the machine » 28 Nov 2017, 02:09

Ladytiger wrote:I agree with you Tamworth tiger why would that be kept a secret. If true he chose to play for his club much respect but an unfit Shenton would be better than Bateman I feel so sorry for Percival the lads a natural centre but still we insist playing a forward out of position going into a world club final .. would the Aussies do this I think not
Yes they have done many a time
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Re: can England do it

Post by gateman » 28 Nov 2017, 10:54

i am going for an England win with a score of 24 - 18 all the pundits and the bookies have us down to be comprehensively beaten, I was at the Suncrop Stadium a few tours ago when New Zealand were in the same position as us , they turned the Australians over that night, COME ON ENGLAND YOU CAN DO IT

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Post by chesterfieldtiger » 28 Nov 2017, 11:14

To answer the original question on this thread. NOT A CHANCE. Think it will be closer than some are predicting but while ever an Aussie coach is trying to get English players to play the Aussie way it's defeat all the way.
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Re: can England do it

Post by Tamworth Tiger » 28 Nov 2017, 11:33

Fine but to be fair we've been trying English coaches too and since 1972 it hasn't made a difference

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Post by chesterfieldtiger » 28 Nov 2017, 11:39

Agreed but most of them wanted to play the Aussie way too. Game based on defence and completion rate. Boring as lol.
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Post by Tamworth Tiger » 28 Nov 2017, 12:29

Sadly with the exception of Cas and Melbourne there now is only one accepted way.

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Post by gateman » 28 Nov 2017, 17:54

I thought George Williams would have got a go seeing we are an hooker down, good hands good defender and kicker, another one who is a bit unlucky is Percival this lad as had some very impressive matches when playing against us, but the England coach as put a second row forward in his position , a strange one is that

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Re: can England do it

Post by Flat Capper » 29 Nov 2017, 13:16

Bennett has already stated he prefers Bateman's defensive qualities and when you consider how easily Gale was swept aside last Saturday that may be the reason he thinks additional defence is required down that side.
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Post by Dez » 29 Nov 2017, 18:02

Gale was swept aside because he was one on one with one of the strongest players in the Tongan team where was Bateman as he was ment to support him . If you watch that tackle again watch Bateman running back . Coudnt catch a cold.

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Re: can England do it

Post by Flat Capper » 29 Nov 2017, 18:09

I'd much rather have Percival in there myself but don't forget Gale was also swept aside by the Tongan full back after gale chased up his kick.

I just get the impression that's the way Bennett thinks and why he mystifies many of us.
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Re: can England do it

Post by Dez » 29 Nov 2017, 18:25

What I don't understand is it's not like Percival can't tackle ... On a separate note Duggan and Holmes partnership will truely test England on the flanks

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Re: can England do it

Post by Tamworth Tiger » 29 Nov 2017, 19:47

Flat Capper wrote:I'd much rather have Percival in there myself but don't forget Gale was also swept aside by the Tongan full back after gale chased up his kick.

I just get the impression that's the way Bennett thinks and why he mystifies many of us.
He's good at mystifying people which is why he is so respected as a coach

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Re: can England do it

Post by Sharlotiger » 30 Nov 2017, 12:23

England can't win due to our inferior kicking game, Gale and Brown just can't control a game in the same way as the Oz halves.
It as been the same for decades and in the first game of the world cup after England got off to a good start the Aussies just piled on the pressure with a superb acurate kick and chase game.

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Re: can England do it

Post by Tamworth Tiger » 30 Nov 2017, 21:50

Well we will know one way or the other soon enough. Personally I think we are much more cohesive as a team now in game one including the fullback, hooker and halves

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