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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by JIN JER » 17 Jan 2018, 12:23

mart0042 wrote:I find it strange that a club with the begging bowl out for a new ground and in reality owns nothing but the players contracts is going down this route voluntarily.

You can loan players out and get a fee in return playing at a higher level or you can fund a poor reserve grade competition to the time of a few thousand.

How about saving money and try to fund a ground at least in part? Put the money into bricks and mortar not dreams. Stop waiting for people to help you and help yourselves.
Dear me, cheap points scoring there, it's not about you having a pop at Trinity it's about running a reserve grade. We're building from the bottom up after years of sheet, if you begrudge us doing it the right way then that's your problem.
Ps, How about rolling out the "buying the ground back for a £1" urban myth?

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by mart0042 » 17 Jan 2018, 12:55

I remember us not going for it because of the cost. Is wakey that flush with cash? Is not a pop, more of a reality check.

I'd love it to come back but it's either most teams or non.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Tigerade » 17 Jan 2018, 14:50

I'd love it to come back but it's either most teams or non.
As it stands now Wakey will play Wigan, Halifax and Keighley 3 times each. Like I said earlier - if more teams participated it would be a good way to give the players in the 19 to 23 year old bracket more game time.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by JIN JER » 17 Jan 2018, 16:27

The thing that appeals to me ( if I understand it correctly) is that the clubs in the lower tiers won't have dozens of SL players dropping down to get game time after injury, then going back to their clubs leaving disgruntled players to fill in the gaps that's left behind. Never seems fair on the lower tier players to me.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by JIN JER » 17 Jan 2018, 16:34

mart0042 wrote:I find it strange that a club with the begging bowl out for a new ground and in reality owns nothing but the players contracts.


How about saving money and try to fund a ground at least in part? Put the money into bricks and mortar not dreams. Stop waiting for people to help you and help yourselves.
So those two paragraphs aren't having a pop, really?

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by mart0042 » 18 Jan 2018, 12:42

JIN JER wrote:
mart0042 wrote:I find it strange that a club with the begging bowl out for a new ground and in reality owns nothing but the players contracts.


How about saving money and try to fund a ground at least in part? Put the money into bricks and mortar not dreams. Stop waiting for people to help you and help yourselves.
So those two paragraphs aren't having a pop, really?
Leeds United put money into the playing squad but failed to buy back the ground and training facilities. They owned nothing but the players. When the preverbial hit the fan they went bust and making more companies bust at the same time.

My point is, on a Cas forum, we made the decision on a financial basis.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Spanishtiger » 19 Jan 2018, 00:24

I'd say that most of the people who post on here are of a certain age and remember the old Slalom Lager Alliance League for 'A' teams. The difference is that these days the players in each team's squad are full time training 5 times a week which gives the coaches plenty of chances to evaluate fringe players in any situation which they wish to contrive.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by The Firm » 19 Jan 2018, 08:21

Running a reserve team should be compulsary but whilst it isn’t it’s a bit of a pointless waste of money from Wakey as they’ve hardly anyone to play. Hats off to them for giving it a go but i think they'll find themselves frustrated as even some of the games they think they will play will get cancelled.

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Post by mart0042 » 19 Jan 2018, 10:52

It will be interesting to see how beneficial it is for the players and the bank books

Whilst we are getting match fit players experience back with some of not all their salary back. These teams won't. If they make money hand over fist, it maybe a good idea but Wigan are losing 400k a year when they win a trophy.

We are relying on the build at gh to get us a stadium but if it didn't come off we will have wr that is saleable to build a new ground or go towards it plus any profit.

Wakey and Wigan rent and have nothing in reserve but relying on owners deep pockets. If they aren't deep, then it's borrowing with personal collateralor against the business. You don't get good rates that way.

Good luck to them both by I'm happy that sg and the board know what they are doing

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Post by JIN JER » 19 Jan 2018, 11:29

mart0042 wrote:It will be interesting to see how beneficial it is for the players and the bank books

Whilst we are getting match fit players experience back with some of not all their salary back. These teams won't. If they make money hand over fist, it maybe a good idea but Wigan are losing 400k a year when they win a trophy.

We are relying on the build at gh to get us a stadium but if it didn't come off we will have wr that is saleable to build a new ground or go towards it plus any profit.

Wakey and Wigan rent and have nothing in reserve but relying on owners deep pockets. If they aren't deep, then it's borrowing with personal collateralor against the business. You don't get good rates that way.

Good luck to them both by I'm happy that sg and the board know what they are doing
I'm pleased for you, it's awfull relying on owners with deep pockets, I bet the Fulton family are happy that they've never had to bail you out.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by mart0042 » 19 Jan 2018, 12:37

JIN JER wrote:
mart0042 wrote:It will be interesting to see how beneficial it is for the players and the bank books

Whilst we are getting match fit players experience back with some of not all their salary back. These teams won't. If they make money hand over fist, it maybe a good idea but Wigan are losing 400k a year when they win a trophy.

We are relying on the build at gh to get us a stadium but if it didn't come off we will have wr that is saleable to build a new ground or go towards it plus any profit.

Wakey and Wigan rent and have nothing in reserve but relying on owners deep pockets. If they aren't deep, then it's borrowing with personal collateralor against the business. You don't get good rates that way.

Good luck to them both by I'm happy that sg and the board know what they are doing
I'm pleased for you, it's awfull relying on owners with deep pockets, I bet the Fulton family are happy that they've never had to bail you out.
They've been a godsend. Now they are getting the club a new ground and still own WR. They ain't bad. Speculate to accumulate and all that.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by lurcher » 19 Jan 2018, 12:48

vasty has said on numerous occasions that he hates every thing cas which tends to give all his posts regarding us a lack of credibility as they are always going to be biased. its amazing how much time he seems to spend reading this forum. hiya vasty. ;)
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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by JIN JER » 19 Jan 2018, 13:00

mart0042 wrote:
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mart0042 wrote:It will be interesting to see how beneficial it is for the players and the bank books

Whilst we are getting match fit players experience back with some of not all their salary back. These teams won't. If they make money hand over fist, it maybe a good idea but Wigan are losing 400k a year when they win a trophy.

We are relying on the build at gh to get us a stadium but if it didn't come off we will have wr that is saleable to build a new ground or go towards it plus any profit.

Wakey and Wigan rent and have nothing in reserve but relying on owners deep pockets. If they aren't deep, then it's borrowing with personal collateralor against the business. You don't get good rates that way.

Good luck to them both by I'm happy that sg and the board know what they are doing
I'm pleased for you, it's awfull relying on owners with deep pockets, I bet the Fulton family are happy that they've never had to bail you out.
They've been a godsend. Now they are getting the club a new ground and still own WR. They ain't bad. Speculate to accumulate and all that.
What have the Fultons done regarding the new ground? Thought it was the club and Lateral that had weaved their magic?

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Tigerade » 19 Jan 2018, 14:07

What have the Fultons done regarding the new ground? Thought it was the club and Lateral that had weaved their magic?
The Fultons (Ian and Janet) are "the Club". They own well over 50% of CTRLFC and Ian is now our Chairman. I don't know what you are trying to dig at here Jinjer. Just come out with it if something is narking you about our set-up and the new stadium.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by JIN JER » 19 Jan 2018, 15:53

Tigerade wrote:
What have the Fultons done regarding the new ground? Thought it was the club and Lateral that had weaved their magic?
The Fultons (Ian and Janet) are "the Club". They own well over 50% of CTRLFC and Ian is now our Chairman. I don't know what you are trying to dig at here Jinjer. Just come out with it if something is narking you about our set-up and the new stadium.
You appear to be the narked one here, get off your high horse, I simply asked what the family had done regards the new ground, I didn't realise they were still involved.
I don't do digs, I'll leave that to you and Mart.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Tigerade » 19 Jan 2018, 18:48

I don't do digs, I'll leave that to you and Mart.
That's our prerogative. I'll remind you that you are on a Castleford Tigers fan's forum.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Dez » 19 Jan 2018, 19:18

Would there ever be enough quality or possible quality players for every team to run a reserve team also surely the championship quality would also be lower .

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Post by Dez » 19 Jan 2018, 19:21

Would there ever be enough players of a quality or possible quality for all teams to run a reserve team also the championship quality would also be lower standerd with the players left

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Tigerade » 19 Jan 2018, 20:37

The player pool isn't big enough Dez for that, you would need about 60% to 70% of the current academy players to "double-up" into the U23 (reserves) competition. It is do-able but the majority of SL would prefer to have dual-reg like we do with Halifax. There is a good insight for the current state of the reserves comp' here from ex-Wigan player Nick Gregson....

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/le ... es-system/

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by fast hands » 19 Jan 2018, 21:05

Remember the days', when it was 1st team, A team, and just Colts. No academies, and all local teams had an under 17 team, no u/8s upward. Just if you were good enough you got to play in the school team. No false dawns for kids and parents bickering about why their youngster only played 10 minutes, upsetting their sons' along the way.
Oh yes the good old days.

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