George griffin

[Juscas]

What a rubbish appointment Jon Wells as proven to be.

I mean if we're judging him on his signings and renewals

Blair
Watts
Matautia

Renewals
Jesse
Cook
Foster
Eden
Trueman
Shenton
Peachey

There's probably a few more I've missed of the renewals but of those we offered new deals to, which are badly wrong? I know Shenton is divisive but personally, I think he's solid enough and a two year deal is fair dinkum for someone who is relatively solid and who will see out his career at Cas on a contract that probably reduces down.

Milner renewal. That looks a shocker right now.
Others look decent to good.

This is the thing. On what basis are we judging it a shocker?

When we signed him and he was allegedly interesting clubs in Australia the forum was desperate for him to stay. His 2017 form was immense and from what I recall of 2018 it was decent too.

Everyone goes through a bad patch but if you asked people whether they would offer him a new deal mid-way through last year I bet most on here would have said yes.

Shocker to me is an exaggeration and reactionary based on current circumstances and form.

To be fair a lot of fans were happy to wave him off as like me they thought foster was playing better anyway.whilst Milner has never been the best player he made up for it in effort and determination that has sadly gone since his pay rise and he is just another average plodder going thru the motions

[nottinghamtiger]

What a rubbish appointment Jon Wells as proven to be.

I mean if we're judging him on his signings and renewals

Blair
Watts
Matautia

Renewals
Jesse
Cook
Foster
Eden
Trueman
Shenton
Peachey

Renewals:
James Clare.
Oliver Holmes.
Nathan Massey.

Signings:
Clarkson
Rankin
Smith
Olpherts (maybe)
Griffin (maybe)

Doesn’t look quite as good when you consider these deals.

[RonnieGibbs'forearm]

What a rubbish appointment Jon Wells as proven to be.

I mean if we're judging him on his signings and renewals

Blair
Watts
Matautia

Renewals
Jesse
Cook
Foster
Eden
Trueman
Shenton
Peachey

There's probably a few more I've missed of the renewals but of those we offered new deals to, which are badly wrong? I know Shenton is divisive but personally, I think he's solid enough and a two year deal is fair dinkum for someone who is relatively solid and who will see out his career at Cas on a contract that probably reduces down.

Milner renewal. That looks a shocker right now.
Others look decent to good.

This is the thing. On what basis are we judging it a shocker?

When we signed him and he was allegedly interesting clubs in Australia the forum was desperate for him to stay. His 2017 form was immense and from what I recall of 2018 it was decent too.

Everyone goes through a bad patch but if you asked people whether they would offer him a new deal mid-way through last year I bet most on here would have said yes.

Shocker to me is an exaggeration and reactionary based on current circumstances and form.

Shocker if he has been offered silly money as the last time he played well was Wire away last season. He has been noticeably poor in so many games since. Retrospectively a bad deal but I agree after 2017 not so. For most of last year and all of this he has not warranted a new deal.

[Dez]

Last good game Milner played was semi final v saints. Not played good since and as become a penalty machine . The only people saying the Aussies wanted him was his agent and if Wells was daft enough to fall for that god only knows what recruitment he as lined up.

[TheSheriff]

What a rubbish appointment Jon Wells as proven to be.

I mean if we're judging him on his signings and renewals

Blair
Watts
Matautia

Renewals
Jesse
Cook
Foster
Eden
Trueman
Shenton
Peachey

Renewals:
James Clare.
Oliver Holmes.
Nathan Massey.

Signings:
Clarkson
Rankin
Smith
Olpherts (maybe)
Griffin (maybe)

Doesn’t look quite as good when you consider these deals.

Both Smith & Rankin have been fine when they've played though and 2 of them haven't even signed for the club yet ](*,)

[HuddsTigers]

Clarkson was on trial first too and Powell made the call to sign him, not Wells.

Rankin was a needed signing given Gale, Ellis and Roberts were out and Smith has done OK when he’s been in.

Time will tell but recruitment hasn’t been as bad as people make out - just missing 1/2 bodies that’s all.

[The Firm]

Clarkson was on trial first too and Powell made the call to sign him, not Wells.

Rankin was a needed signing given Gale, Ellis and Roberts were out and Smith has done OK when he’s been in.

Time will tell but recruitment hasn’t been as bad as people make out - just missing 1/2 bodies that’s all.

Recruitment hasn’t been bad if you want to be a lower-mid table team, which the like of Rankin, Clarkson, Olpherts, Smith, Giffin etc will give you at best. That is their level and we are ending up with too many of that ilk. We need to bring in some genuine quality if we want to compete at the level we were at a couple of years ago. And it’s more than ‘1/2 bodies’

[HuddsTigers]

Clarkson was on trial first too and Powell made the call to sign him, not Wells.

Rankin was a needed signing given Gale, Ellis and Roberts were out and Smith has done OK when he’s been in.

Time will tell but recruitment hasn’t been as bad as people make out - just missing 1/2 bodies that’s all.

Recruitment hasn’t been bad if you want to be a lower-mid table team, which the like of Rankin, Clarkson, Olpherts, Smith, Giffin etc will give you at best. That is their level and we are ending up with too many of that ilk. We need to bring in some genuine quality if we want to compete at the level we were at a couple of years ago. And it’s more than ‘1/2 bodies’

But the majority are all replacing average players, squad players, or fringe players at best. The issue is that we have too many players at the top end of the scale not performing to their best at the moment.

Since 2017 we've not offered deals to/lost (and recruits in their place)

Hardaker - Matautia
Chase - Trueman
Lynch - Watts
Roberts - Rankin (signed when it was known Roberts/Ellis both going to be out for a period of time)
Patrick - Wardle - Clarkson
Monaghan - Lo - Not replaced (already had signed Clare)
Springer - Clark
Tom Holmes - Jamie Ellis
Douglas - Foster
Hitchcox - Not replaced
Webster - Blair

Then the tail-enders in Million, Fitzsimmons, Igbinedion, Sheehan, Brandon Westerman have been replaced by O'Neill, Storey, Turner, Peachey and Carr

So the only one really not replaced is Hitchcox as a winger. However, the real issue is that we have dallied not replacing a couple much quicker and we have essentially lost a couple of forwards in Patrick/Douglas that haven't really been replaced in the props. It's another reason why I wouldn't retain Clarkson and instead focus on getting another prop in the building.

[Mysterio]

Clarkson was on trial first too and Powell made the call to sign him, not Wells.

Rankin was a needed signing given Gale, Ellis and Roberts were out and Smith has done OK when he’s been in.

Time will tell but recruitment hasn’t been as bad as people make out - just missing 1/2 bodies that’s all.

Recruitment hasn’t been bad if you want to be a lower-mid table team, which the like of Rankin, Clarkson, Olpherts, Smith, Giffin etc will give you at best. That is their level and we are ending up with too many of that ilk. We need to bring in some genuine quality if we want to compete at the level we were at a couple of years ago. And it’s more than ‘1/2 bodies’

But the majority are all replacing average players, squad players, or fringe players at best. The issue is that we have too many players at the top end of the scale not performing to their best at the moment.

Since 2017 we've not offered deals to/lost (and recruits in their place)

Hardaker - Matautia
Chase - Trueman
Lynch - Watts
Roberts - Rankin (signed when it was known Roberts/Ellis both going to be out for a period of time)
Patrick - Wardle - Clarkson
Monaghan - Lo - Not replaced (already had signed Clare)
Springer - Clark
Tom Holmes - Jamie Ellis
Douglas - Foster
Hitchcox - Not replaced
Webster - Blair

Then the tail-enders in Million, Fitzsimmons, Igbinedion, Sheehan, Brandon Westerman have been replaced by O'Neill, Storey, Turner, Peachey and Carr

So the only one really not replaced is Hitchcox as a winger. However, the real issue is that we have dallied not replacing a couple much quicker and we have essentially lost a couple of forwards in Patrick/Douglas that haven't really been replaced in the props. It's another reason why I wouldn't retain Clarkson and instead focus on getting another prop in the building.

Useful post.

Going backwards.

Clearly.

[tigerfeat]

The damage was done fiddling about for three parts of a season and more if you count the off season trying to replace Zak then for good measure the feat was repeated trying to replace Jake however you dress it up that's embarrising work

[Tamworth Tiger]

Clarkson was on trial first too and Powell made the call to sign him, not Wells.

Rankin was a needed signing given Gale, Ellis and Roberts were out and Smith has done OK when he’s been in.

Time will tell but recruitment hasn’t been as bad as people make out - just missing 1/2 bodies that’s all.

Recruitment hasn’t been bad if you want to be a lower-mid table team, which the like of Rankin, Clarkson, Olpherts, Smith, Giffin etc will give you at best. That is their level and we are ending up with too many of that ilk. We need to bring in some genuine quality if we want to compete at the level we were at a couple of years ago. And it’s more than ‘1/2 bodies’

But the majority are all replacing average players, squad players, or fringe players at best. The issue is that we have too many players at the top end of the scale not performing to their best at the moment.

Since 2017 we've not offered deals to/lost (and recruits in their place)

Hardaker - Matautia
Chase - Trueman
Lynch - Watts
Roberts - Rankin (signed when it was known Roberts/Ellis both going to be out for a period of time)
Patrick - Wardle - Clarkson
Monaghan - Lo - Not replaced (already had signed Clare)
Springer - Clark
Tom Holmes - Jamie Ellis
Douglas - Foster
Hitchcox - Not replaced
Webster - Blair

Then the tail-enders in Million, Fitzsimmons, Igbinedion, Sheehan, Brandon Westerman have been replaced by O'Neill, Storey, Turner, Peachey and Carr

So the only one really not replaced is Hitchcox as a winger. However, the real issue is that we have dallied not replacing a couple much quicker and we have essentially lost a couple of forwards in Patrick/Douglas that haven't really been replaced in the props. It's another reason why I wouldn't retain Clarkson and instead focus on getting another prop in the building.

Thanks. Really informative

[The Firm]

Clarkson was on trial first too and Powell made the call to sign him, not Wells.

Rankin was a needed signing given Gale, Ellis and Roberts were out and Smith has done OK when he’s been in.

Time will tell but recruitment hasn’t been as bad as people make out - just missing 1/2 bodies that’s all.

Recruitment hasn’t been bad if you want to be a lower-mid table team, which the like of Rankin, Clarkson, Olpherts, Smith, Giffin etc will give you at best. That is their level and we are ending up with too many of that ilk. We need to bring in some genuine quality if we want to compete at the level we were at a couple of years ago. And it’s more than ‘1/2 bodies’

But the majority are all replacing average players, squad players, or fringe players at best. The issue is that we have too many players at the top end of the scale not performing to their best at the moment.

Since 2017 we've not offered deals to/lost (and recruits in their place)

Hardaker - Matautia
Chase - Trueman
Lynch - Watts
Roberts - Rankin (signed when it was known Roberts/Ellis both going to be out for a period of time)
Patrick - Wardle - Clarkson
Monaghan - Lo - Not replaced (already had signed Clare)
Springer - Clark
Tom Holmes - Jamie Ellis
Douglas - Foster
Hitchcox - Not replaced
Webster - Blair

Then the tail-enders in Million, Fitzsimmons, Igbinedion, Sheehan, Brandon Westerman have been replaced by O'Neill, Storey, Turner, Peachey and Carr

So the only one really not replaced is Hitchcox as a winger. However, the real issue is that we have dallied not replacing a couple much quicker and we have essentially lost a couple of forwards in Patrick/Douglas that haven't really been replaced in the props. It's another reason why I wouldn't retain Clarkson and instead focus on getting another prop in the building.

Highlights exactly how poor our recruitment has been, hardly any of those players have been an upgrade which should always be the aim, even with squad players. And some like have been given multi-year contracts without any justification.

The problem is we have been asleep at the wheel, firstly with delaying replacing Hardaker and Webster and trying to do it on the cheap. Then the influential players not performing you allude to could be foreseen, most of them are growing old together. Going into this season Shenton, Millington, Moors, Cook, Gale, Roberts were all over 30 while Mcshane, Massey & JSL turning 30 through the year. And we all know that Holmes is nicknamed tampon for a reason, his body isn’t up to it. Age catches up with us all, the team lacks pace, elusiveness and mobility. There has been no succession plan. The back up players should have been brought in with this in mind, instead we got plodders like Clarkson and Smith. The current academy group coming through is poor in comparison to previous years, how many of them are genuine quality first team contenders at the moment? Pretty much none of them.

Milner is an under-performer, Eden has been hit and miss but others like Clare, Maher and Egodo just are not good enough. Trueman has had a lot of pressure for a young lad and has done ok but is still learning whilst the obsession of playing Minikin in the centre instead if on the wing where he is decent is a mistake on Powells behalf. And we are losing him anyway. Sorry but we have got our recruitment badly wrong and now we are repeating the mistakes by going for luminaries like Olpherts & Griffin. We are burning cap space on rubbish and we will pay for it moving forward.

[SREGITSAC]

Clarkson was on trial first too and Powell made the call to sign him, not Wells.

Rankin was a needed signing given Gale, Ellis and Roberts were out and Smith has done OK when he’s been in.

Time will tell but recruitment hasn’t been as bad as people make out - just missing 1/2 bodies that’s all.

Recruitment hasn’t been bad if you want to be a lower-mid table team, which the like of Rankin, Clarkson, Olpherts, Smith, Giffin etc will give you at best. That is their level and we are ending up with too many of that ilk. We need to bring in some genuine quality if we want to compete at the level we were at a couple of years ago. And it’s more than ‘1/2 bodies’

But the majority are all replacing average players, squad players, or fringe players at best. The issue is that we have too many players at the top end of the scale not performing to their best at the moment.

Since 2017 we've not offered deals to/lost (and recruits in their place)

Hardaker - Matautia
Chase - Trueman
Lynch - Watts
Roberts - Rankin (signed when it was known Roberts/Ellis both going to be out for a period of time)
Patrick - Wardle - Clarkson
Monaghan - Lo - Not replaced (already had signed Clare)
Springer - Clark
Tom Holmes - Jamie Ellis
Douglas - Foster
Hitchcox - Not replaced
Webster - Blair

Then the tail-enders in Million, Fitzsimmons, Igbinedion, Sheehan, Brandon Westerman have been replaced by O'Neill, Storey, Turner, Peachey and Carr

So the only one really not replaced is Hitchcox as a winger. However, the real issue is that we have dallied not replacing a couple much quicker and we have essentially lost a couple of forwards in Patrick/Douglas that haven't really been replaced in the props. It's another reason why I wouldn't retain Clarkson and instead focus on getting another prop in the building.

If you remove Zak and Rangi from the equation, because let’s face it, circumstance removed them from the picture, which of these are not an improvement?

[Mysterio]

Clarkson was on trial first too and Powell made the call to sign him, not Wells.

Rankin was a needed signing given Gale, Ellis and Roberts were out and Smith has done OK when he’s been in.

Time will tell but recruitment hasn’t been as bad as people make out - just missing 1/2 bodies that’s all.

Recruitment hasn’t been bad if you want to be a lower-mid table team, which the like of Rankin, Clarkson, Olpherts, Smith, Giffin etc will give you at best. That is their level and we are ending up with too many of that ilk. We need to bring in some genuine quality if we want to compete at the level we were at a couple of years ago. And it’s more than ‘1/2 bodies’

But the majority are all replacing average players, squad players, or fringe players at best. The issue is that we have too many players at the top end of the scale not performing to their best at the moment.

Since 2017 we've not offered deals to/lost (and recruits in their place)

Hardaker - Matautia
Chase - Trueman
Lynch - Watts
Roberts - Rankin (signed when it was known Roberts/Ellis both going to be out for a period of time)
Patrick - Wardle - Clarkson
Monaghan - Lo - Not replaced (already had signed Clare)
Springer - Clark
Tom Holmes - Jamie Ellis
Douglas - Foster
Hitchcox - Not replaced
Webster - Blair

Then the tail-enders in Million, Fitzsimmons, Igbinedion, Sheehan, Brandon Westerman have been replaced by O'Neill, Storey, Turner, Peachey and Carr

So the only one really not replaced is Hitchcox as a winger. However, the real issue is that we have dallied not replacing a couple much quicker and we have essentially lost a couple of forwards in Patrick/Douglas that haven't really been replaced in the props. It's another reason why I wouldn't retain Clarkson and instead focus on getting another prop in the building.

If you remove Zak and Rangi from the equation, because let’s face it, circumstance removed them from the picture, which of these are not an improvement?

If you’re on the BOD I’m finished with the club if you don’t seek guidance in assessing players.

Rankin was far from an improvement and has been as injured often as Benny

Clarkson isn’t an improvement on any superleague team. Although he’s a trier. Can you imagine saints or wire even temporarily going for him? They’d somehow bloody end up with Bateman, whitehead, or at least players of That ilk anyway.

Clare is neither a replacement or improvement on either player. same applies as Clarkson re signing elsewhere etc etc. Ellis for Holmes similar! Not one of those players will ever be coveted superleague players or Even questioned by a rival coach as bringing the X factor or extra quality to the squad.

The sad thing is, Clare wil end up a fans favourite when we see olpherts and if Eden got injured! Give me hope. Please!

Clark has ended up as a character assessment mistake, he’s not an improvement as he’s used us basically. Get rid now man! Give it to someone proud of the badge.

Jy hasn’t been replaced at all! In fact I suspect part of his Salary has been used on Blair, as has Webster’s! Although Blair looks like he might prove to be a dangerous player for us, he is nowhere Near the VFM webbo procided.

That ok with you?

I would suggest you’re friends with someone at the club......

[RonnieGibbs'forearm]

Clarkson was on trial first too and Powell made the call to sign him, not Wells.

Rankin was a needed signing given Gale, Ellis and Roberts were out and Smith has done OK when he’s been in.

Time will tell but recruitment hasn’t been as bad as people make out - just missing 1/2 bodies that’s all.

Recruitment hasn’t been bad if you want to be a lower-mid table team, which the like of Rankin, Clarkson, Olpherts, Smith, Giffin etc will give you at best. That is their level and we are ending up with too many of that ilk. We need to bring in some genuine quality if we want to compete at the level we were at a couple of years ago. And it’s more than ‘1/2 bodies’

But the majority are all replacing average players, squad players, or fringe players at best. The issue is that we have too many players at the top end of the scale not performing to their best at the moment.

Since 2017 we've not offered deals to/lost (and recruits in their place)

Hardaker - Matautia
Chase - Trueman
Lynch - Watts
Roberts - Rankin (signed when it was known Roberts/Ellis both going to be out for a period of time)
Patrick - Wardle - Clarkson
Monaghan - Lo - Not replaced (already had signed Clare)
Springer - Clark
Tom Holmes - Jamie Ellis
Douglas - Foster
Hitchcox - Not replaced
Webster - Blair

Then the tail-enders in Million, Fitzsimmons, Igbinedion, Sheehan, Brandon Westerman have been replaced by O'Neill, Storey, Turner, Peachey and Carr

So the only one really not replaced is Hitchcox as a winger. However, the real issue is that we have dallied not replacing a couple much quicker and we have essentially lost a couple of forwards in Patrick/Douglas that haven't really been replaced in the props. It's another reason why I wouldn't retain Clarkson and instead focus on getting another prop in the building.

If you remove Zak and Rangi from the equation, because let’s face it, circumstance removed them from the picture, which of these are not an improvement?

If you’re on the BOD I’m finished with the club if you don’t seek guidance in assessing players.

Rankin was far from an improvement and has been as injured often as Benny

Clarkson isn’t an improvement on any superleague team. Although he’s a trier. Can you imagine saints or wire even temporarily going for him? They’d somehow bloody end up with Bateman, whitehead, or at least players of That ilk anyway.

Clare is neither a replacement or improvement on either player. same applies as Clarkson re signing elsewhere etc etc. Ellis for Holmes similar! Not one of those players will ever be coveted superleague players or Even questioned by a rival coach as bringing the X factor or extra quality to the squad.

The sad thing is, Clare wil end up a fans favourite when we see olpherts and if Eden got injured! Give me hope. Please!

Clark has ended up as a character assessment mistake, he’s not an improvement as he’s used us basically. Get rid now man! Give it to someone proud of the badge.

Jy hasn’t been replaced at all! In fact I suspect part of his Salary has been used on Blair, as has Webster’s! Although Blair looks like he might prove to be a dangerous player for us, he is nowhere Near the VFM webbo procided.

That ok with you?

I would suggest you’re friends with someone at the club......

Saints signed one of the Walker brothers, and Tommy Lee don't forget

[SREGITSAC]

Again with the personal attack for asking people their opinions on a matter, I would suggest you wind your neck in...

[Andrew6666]

Agree fully Mysterio. Not one signing has 'improved' us at all - I include Blair (only because I think he will settle more next season and Webster was brilliant).

[Mysterio]

Again with the personal attack for asking people their opinions on a matter, I would suggest you wind your neck in...

I would suggest I’ll come back to you when I’ve got time.

Audacter Et Sincere my friend.

Ps. Immediate thought is because you’ve been put right you’re feeling agitated.

[SREGITSAC]

Again with the personal attack for asking people their opinions on a matter, I would suggest you wind your neck in...

I would suggest I’ll come back to you when I’ve got time.

Audacter Et Sincere my friend.

Ps. Immediate thought is because you’ve been put right you’re feeling agitated.

Not me, I’ve not been put right... I haven’t shared my opinion to be told i’m not correct, I asked a question? But sure crack on with it.

[Mysterio]

Agree fully Mysterio. Not one signing has 'improved' us at all - I include Blair (only because I think he will settle more next season and Webster was brilliant).

I’ve no idea why I feel the need to thank you, but thank you Andrew. Basically for seeing sense and acknowledging it.

Things I’ve been through and especially seen in my life, including some Rugby ‘issues’ I can’t bear to see folks put 7200+ degrees spin on issues prudent to the success of my club. Yes my club, and yours. And anyone else whom supports it.

Lots of folks generally have more faces than the town hall clock, I don’t do that, I just say it as is. The post above was ridiculously slanted.

I might have been slightly harsh on the Blair point because I can see the guy has got ability and potential to improve our three quarters in line with our competitors. I have no problem with the lad at all.

Sadly, Mysterio is Mysterio. I’m not here to seek fans, massage someone’s soul, or manipulate situarions

Whilst I’m at it, I saw the Dean Sampson interview the other day too. I simply cannot believe he is not ‘allowed’ into the ground with his children. Even as a paying customer.

Benny Roberts sought him out after hearing about it, and gave him TWO free complimentary tickets for him and his child. (Feel sorry for Benny now)

Guess what? Sampson tells us the club heard about the gesture and got in touch to Diesel to tell him he couldn’t use them. I’m not even sure I need to use the word allegedly anywhere in here as this came from his own mouth. But because I’m not dumb, I shall use the phrase this is allegedly what happened.

I Simon cannot believe it.

I wonder who dean’s promising Son will sign for if he develops. Oh hang on, maybe diesel will be given complimentary tickets around that time.......