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Post by tigerfeat » 26 Nov 2018, 11:17

One or two people who's opinion I respect told me when we appointed him he would be out of his depth I thought myself it was a good appointment
In his role he needs to have a squad ready to go for the start of next season at the moment were short on outside backs and defiantly a quality centre
Its being reported gelling not going to Widnes Catalan look like there going to be in for him are we even trying to get these types of players
In the waffle he came out with last week he denied we'd talked to sau and he hadn't turned us down hmmm
I wondering now if he isn't in fact somewhat out of his depth
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Post by heritage1926 » 26 Nov 2018, 11:25

tigerfeat wrote: In his role he needs to have a squad ready to go for the start of next season at the moment were short on outside backs and defiantly a quality centre
Strange comment is that. We have a squad ready to go. Minus Webster and Springer, if the season kicked off tomorrow, we’d hardly be lacking personnel.

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Post by flow » 26 Nov 2018, 11:26

tigerfeat wrote:One or two people who's opinion I respect told me when we appointed him he would be out of his depth I thought myself it was a good appointment
In his role he needs to have a squad ready to go for the start of next season at the moment were short on outside backs and defiantly a quality centre
Its being reported gelling not going to Widnes Catalan look like there going to be in for him are we even trying to get these types of players
In the waffle he came out with last week he denied we'd talked to sau and he hadn't turned us down hmmm
I wondering now if he isn't in fact somewhat out of his depth
I have always said its a made up job the head coach is the one who should decide who he wants to sign not a second party
can cause conflict I am getting stick from other fans at work for only club not to sign any body lol fingers crossed time yet or season could be over before it starts :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

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Post by tigerfeat » 26 Nov 2018, 11:46

heritage1926 wrote:
tigerfeat wrote: In his role he needs to have a squad ready to go for the start of next season at the moment were short on outside backs and defiantly a quality centre
Strange comment is that. We have a squad ready to go. Minus Webster and Springer, if the season kicked off tomorrow, we’d hardly be lacking personnel.
We're lacking a quality centre no doubt about that ..and obviously he must know that as we almost signed Williame and sau so not a strange comment
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Post by flow » 26 Nov 2018, 11:53

tigerfeat wrote:
heritage1926 wrote:
tigerfeat wrote: In his role he needs to have a squad ready to go for the start of next season at the moment were short on outside backs and defiantly a quality centre
Strange comment is that. We have a squad ready to go. Minus Webster and Springer, if the season kicked off tomorrow, we’d hardly be lacking personnel.
We're lacking a quality centre no doubt about that ..and obviously he must know that as we almost signed Williame and sau so not a strange comment
one quality centre you sure about that I think we lacking two quality centres and a winger fullback time will tell with peter seen nothing to convince me he is top draw maybe middle draw was poor in semi linking with plays. on positive rest off teams have not strengthened or just a minute .

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Post by mart0042 » 26 Nov 2018, 12:41

Wow, what a post.I'm surprised you and your friends don't know what he's here to do.

Jon is at the club to identify targets for roles DP wants filling and then get them. Also to communicate what's going on to the fans. And to be the link between coaching and management.

I'm struggling to find ways he's out of his depth. It's DPs players he gets in not his own. He takes no role in the coaching or preparation of our squad.

He was pivotal in the signing of watts and peanut. We'd have been outbid for watts by wire, Leeds and Wigan, if they'd have known about his availability.

If DP wants a player, jon gets him. I'd prefer DP to coach rather than spend his time chasing players.

If DP wants a player, then he may have to release or sell one. If you think a centre is that important, would you swap gale or Trueman for him? A team with our resources can only do so much.

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Post by tigerfeat » 26 Nov 2018, 12:49

mart0042 wrote:Wow, what a post.I'm surprised you and your friends don't know what he's here to do.

Jon is at the club to identify targets for roles DP wants filling and then get them. Also to communicate what's going on to the fans. And to be the link between coaching and management.

I'm struggling to find ways he's out of his depth. It's DPs players he gets in not his own. He takes no role in the coaching or preparation of our squad.

He was pivotal in the signing of watts and peanut. We'd have been outbid for watts by wire, Leeds and Wigan, if they'd have known about his availability.

If DP wants a player, jon gets him. I'd prefer DP to coach rather than spend his time chasing players.

If DP wants a player, then he may have to release or sell one. If you think a centre is that important, would you swap gale or Trueman for him? A team with our resources can only do so much.
Wow what a dumb reply ...a team with our resources? every team as the same salary cap to complete there squad ?
And if you believe we have to get rid of our starting half backs before we can get a starting centre we really have messed the salary cap up havnt we
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Post by SREGITSAC » 26 Nov 2018, 13:01

tigerfeat wrote:
mart0042 wrote:Wow, what a post.I'm surprised you and your friends don't know what he's here to do.

Jon is at the club to identify targets for roles DP wants filling and then get them. Also to communicate what's going on to the fans. And to be the link between coaching and management.

I'm struggling to find ways he's out of his depth. It's DPs players he gets in not his own. He takes no role in the coaching or preparation of our squad.

He was pivotal in the signing of watts and peanut. We'd have been outbid for watts by wire, Leeds and Wigan, if they'd have known about his availability.

If DP wants a player, jon gets him. I'd prefer DP to coach rather than spend his time chasing players.

If DP wants a player, then he may have to release or sell one. If you think a centre is that important, would you swap gale or Trueman for him? A team with our resources can only do so much.
Wow what a dumb reply ...a team with our resources? every team as the same salary cap to complete there squad ?
And if you believe we have to get rid of our starting half backs before we can get a starting centre we really have messed the salary cap up havnt we
We have a squad with more depth than other teams, it’s how we choose to use the cap to it’s full extent.

Just because you don’t agree with a reply doesn’t mean you have to start being insulting to someone. I suspect this comment is in the space of us being near cap and not having the resources to sign a marquee player a la a number of other clubs so needing to free up some cash and those players being the ones that would attract the most interest.

If we are going to start questioning someone’s ability to do their job how about we get some specific examples of where they have failed against the objective of their role.

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Post by fords » 26 Nov 2018, 13:02

tigerfeat wrote:
mart0042 wrote:Wow, what a post.I'm surprised you and your friends don't know what he's here to do.

Jon is at the club to identify targets for roles DP wants filling and then get them. Also to communicate what's going on to the fans. And to be the link between coaching and management.

I'm struggling to find ways he's out of his depth. It's DPs players he gets in not his own. He takes no role in the coaching or preparation of our squad.

He was pivotal in the signing of watts and peanut. We'd have been outbid for watts by wire, Leeds and Wigan, if they'd have known about his availability.

If DP wants a player, jon gets him. I'd prefer DP to coach rather than spend his time chasing players.

If DP wants a player, then he may have to release or sell one. If you think a centre is that important, would you swap gale or Trueman for him? A team with our resources can only do so much.
Wow what a dumb reply ...a team with our resources? every team as the same salary cap to complete there squad ?
And if you believe we have to get rid of our starting half backs before we can get a starting centre we really have messed the salary cap up havnt we
Not as dumb as your original post

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Post by tigerfeat » 26 Nov 2018, 13:06

We took the Mick not having a recognised full back for three quarters of last season it would be dumb to repeat the same next season without a starting centre or dumb to have used up all our salary cap and not have a starting centre
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Post by Oldcasman » 26 Nov 2018, 13:19

Is it wells turn to go through the treadmill,have we run out of players to hammer no doubt there will be someone in the pipeline,I think the only one safe from this is probably the groundsman

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Post by heritage1926 » 26 Nov 2018, 13:24

tigerfeat wrote:We took the Mick not having a recognised full back for three quarters of last season it would be dumb to repeat the same next season without a starting centre or dumb to have used up all our salary cap and not have a starting centre
Fullback is a specialist role, arguably the toughest position on the field. It's very difficult to just slot in to fullback like it is centre. Although I do believe we need a centre, it's not as critical as where we found ourselves last year. We could easily go in to the new season with Foster covering and he'd let no one down, just like he didn't when he covered there last year.

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Post by westyorkylad » 26 Nov 2018, 13:27

Think Wellsy is a great addition to the team and so far having brought in Watts and PM he has signed two quality players to our ranks.

PM is our new fullback and I thought personally he was probably our best player in the semi final and was equally impressive in the last couple of games of the season, I think there is every chance he will go on to be just as good if not better than ZH.

As far as centre goes we have Minikin, Wardle and Ben Roberts (with Truey expected to take on the SO role) to pick from in terms of filling Webbos departure.

Fullback is a key role as one of the 4 main pivots, more so than centre.

Same old panic every off season, if we had signed Watts and PM in the off season everyone would be well chuffed!

I agree that another centre/winger with genuine pace would be a good addition but lets wait and see if they can secure someone who fits the bill and adds to the squad, if not then we go with what we have and I wont be too disappointed with that tbh.

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Post by westyorkylad » 26 Nov 2018, 13:28

heritage1926 wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:We took the Mick not having a recognised full back for three quarters of last season it would be dumb to repeat the same next season without a starting centre or dumb to have used up all our salary cap and not have a starting centre
Fullback is a specialist role, arguably the toughest position on the field. It's very difficult to just slot in to fullback like it is centre. Although I do believe we need a centre, it's not as critical as where we found ourselves last year. We could easily go in to the new season with Foster covering and he'd let no one down, just like he didn't when he covered there last year.
Forgot about foster, that's 4 x options for Webbos shirt then :lol:

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Post by tigerfeat » 26 Nov 2018, 13:33

heritage1926 wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:We took the Mick not having a recognised full back for three quarters of last season it would be dumb to repeat the same next season without a starting centre or dumb to have used up all our salary cap and not have a starting centre
Fullback is a specialist role, arguably the toughest position on the field. It's very difficult to just slot in to fullback like it is centre. Although I do believe we need a centre, it's not as critical as where we found ourselves last year. We could easily go in to the new season with Foster covering and he'd let no one down, just like he didn't when he covered there last year.
Look I agree with you to certain degree hardaker left at short notice and foster could go well and I did say before people jumped on me I thought jon wells was a good appointment
It just makes me mad after signing Aston Clare and Ellis this time last year we've not signed anybody when we are short on outside backs
I know we signed matatautia but that would be for hardaker who was history this time last year
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Post by Nobody » 26 Nov 2018, 14:05

I'd imagine Jon Wells has lots of connections in the rugby league world which is a good thing. As above his job is to listen to what players Powell wants and go out and get them.

Give him time to clear out the rubbish in the ranks first, we can't just get rid of players we no longer want. I think he's tied down some of our best talent all the riff raff was already signed on before he took the roll.
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Post by jackknife » 26 Nov 2018, 14:06

Theres reports of shots fired :dance:
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Post by mart0042 » 26 Nov 2018, 14:20

tigerfeat wrote:
mart0042 wrote:Wow, what a post.I'm surprised you and your friends don't know what he's here to do.

Jon is at the club to identify targets for roles DP wants filling and then get them. Also to communicate what's going on to the fans. And to be the link between coaching and management.

I'm struggling to find ways he's out of his depth. It's DPs players he gets in not his own. He takes no role in the coaching or preparation of our squad.

He was pivotal in the signing of watts and peanut. We'd have been outbid for watts by wire, Leeds and Wigan, if they'd have known about his availability.

If DP wants a player, jon gets him. I'd prefer DP to coach rather than spend his time chasing players.

If DP wants a player, then he may have to release or sell one. If you think a centre is that important, would you swap gale or Trueman for him? A team with our resources can only do so much.
Wow what a dumb reply ...a team with our resources? every team as the same salary cap to complete there squad ?
And if you believe we have to get rid of our starting half backs before we can get a starting centre we really have messed the salary cap up havnt we
I didn't go down the "dumb" route to give a little respect. However, if you look at his remit, please do, he has told us what he's here to do.

As discussed in various threads. We cannot compete financially with Leeds. That's not hard to understand when they have 2 000 guests in hospitality every home game. This enables them to spend whatever they want in marquee players. So the 400k yearly payment to Hurrell and merrin is quite easy. Us making 400k profit means no money for transfer fees, so no watts or peanut mid season.

The point about the players going out to bring in is valid. How many others would get such a high fee.

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Post by mart0042 » 26 Nov 2018, 14:29

Peanut maybe the answer at fullback because we use it a certain way and the player could do it. The same reason saints were successful, they had a player who could play the role needed.

Jack walker looks like he could do it but led aren't going to let him go anywhere soon. Golding is defensive. There's a struggle to find the right players, but who knows, they might become available soon.

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Post by heritage1926 » 26 Nov 2018, 14:31

Jon Wells watches more like rugby than anyone else at Cas, he gets to see rival teams up close and personal week in week out. He also then get's a chance to interview players weekly and get's an insight on how teams train and play. He will more than likely have his targets from watching teams and having contacts and then relay them back to Powell and discuss. If this guys not qualified enough or out of his depth, then were all doomed.

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